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Rub87

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Ibiza '99 90HP
Hello,
i want to replace the gtb2060vklr turbo,because I can not update it,(Mercedes v6 cdi)what turbot would you recommend? amg turbina and billet comp wheel
it is,can anyone know better?
Thanks,,
Why u cannot upgrade it?
 

hartge

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Why u cannot upgrade it?
The gtb2260vklr turbine wheel I do not know how enough upgade the 400 + hp
to access,one billet copmressor wheel added it..

Someone tried to give it to him vgt turbo to external wastegate?
 

Rub87

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One can put 51/49 turbine, and wider vnt ring/cage from 2260. (Requires a bit of machining but not undoable). Then put compressor of choice. Something like 50/65

If you sell the 2060 and start from 2260 vklr its a bit easier.
 

hartge

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One can put 51/49 turbine, and wider vnt ring/cage from 2260. (Requires a bit of machining but not undoable). Then put compressor of choice. Something like 50/65

If you sell the 2060 and start from 2260 vklr its a bit easier.

There is a Milling compressor wheel Exducer:65.00mm Tapered tip exducer:69.83mm and AMG 51/49 turbine wheel, but just not fit vklr,
I do not know how,would be better.. VKLR turbine not upgrade bigger bearing and shaft?

Thanks Rub87.
 

Rub87

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Sure it can be made to fit. I ran these turbos since over 2 years, although with mixed results in terms of oil sealing on the turbine side. But nonetheless roller or journal bearing. The oil sealing has always been bit tricky with the 51/49 wheel. Although if your lucky and it works, it works pretty damn good.
 

IonutTurbo

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Sure it can be made to fit. I ran these turbos since over 2 years, although with mixed results in terms of oil sealing on the turbine side. But nonetheless roller or journal bearing. The oil sealing has always been bit tricky with the 51/49 wheel. Although if your lucky and it works, it works pretty damn good.
I think it is worth trying with gap piston ring , seems to be a much better choice than standard piston ring .
 

Macradiators.com

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If they dont leak oil onto the exhaust yep its a better choice.
I still think the journal bearing vk or vzk is less trouble. Simple and reliable.
 

IonutTurbo

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If they dont leak oil onto the exhaust yep its a better choice.
I still think the journal bearing vk or vzk is less trouble. Simple and reliable.
Sure strandard journal bearing are more simple .
But the spool from vkrl .... is something that deserves everything :))
 

Macradiators.com

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Could be the tune but i did not see any advantages of the ceramic bb in 2 tested turbos 63 and 65mm.. Fact is that well set JB makes better boost than smaller vklr i had.

I make 500nm at 3000rpm and vklr on PD with tons of smoke makes same torque at 3500rpm.

I think the setting of the turbo makes the difference. Not the bb.
 

hartge

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Thank you for your answers..I think I'll try 2260 vklr turbine wheel,nozzle ring and billet wheel,for a little time..then it will be a pattern (2060), larger turbina wheel make to orig 2260 vklr..
 

IonutTurbo

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Turbo Z

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Thanks Ionut!
Did you for got something useful information about VNT in 1858-970-0003?
 

yo87_racing

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Hello guys. Need an opinion. I need a bigger turbo for 1.9tdi. Is it a bad choice gt2260v from bmw e60/e90? Is it too old, and maybe more laggy than gtb1756/gtb2260 ( audi or bmw). Thanks! :)
 

3L3M3NT

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Hello guys. Need an opinion. I need a bigger turbo for 1.9tdi. Is it a bad choice gt2260v from bmw e60/e90? Is it too old, and maybe more laggy than gtb1756/gtb2260 ( audi or bmw). Thanks! :)
It would be best to go with a more modern turbo and at the minimum, I'd go with either a GTB1756VK or GTB2260VK depending on what mods you have done to your TDI.

IMO, I'd go with the most current turbo you can buy for the best performance you can get out of a turbo and that would mean going with either a GTD1752VRK/GTD1756VRK or the larger GTD2060VZK.
Here are a few GTD1752VRK/GTD1756VRK options:
https://www.mecevo.com/parts/garrett_turbo_gtd1756vrk_with_77_billet_wheel.html
https://gottuned.com/product/gtd1752vrk-billet-wheel-hybrid-turbo-vacuum-converted-and-welded-onto-stock-1-9-2-0tdi/
https://gottuned.com/product/gtd1756vrk-billet-wheel-gen-ii-hybrid-turbo-vacuum-converted-and-welded-onto-stock-1-9-2-0tdi/

If you wanna upgrade to a GTD2060VZ, it will require quite a bit of customization to make it work on a 1.9L TDI.
 

yo87_racing

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Then I think, I will choose one of the gtb series. 1756/2260. I was thinking that using gt2260v it might not be the best choice, being old technology, but I needed at least one more opinion. But what about KKK 2260 from audi? I saw it's full of them, even more than garrett? I was looking for garrett and found almost only kkk. Are they failing at high boost, or they cannot even load hi boost? Thanks!!!
 

GOFAST

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Just getting rather sick of replacing thrust bearings in my HP turbos. GT25 does not like gulping down pressurized air. Nor does TD04. Figure a ball bearing will live longer, and a stock application
What PR is your LPT pushing ?
And how many milles did your HPT last ?
 

TDIMeister

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You can get ball bearings in the GT25 frame size. Probably just need to get the CHRA and move over the wheels and housings.

Garrett's Z-bearing technology may help too.

The permanent solution is to bypass the HP stage at the top end.
 
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[486]

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why do sequential when I can do straight compounds? Whole reason I went with compounds is to get the breathing there without needing to buy a camshaft.
What PR is your LPT pushing ?
And how many milles did your HPT last ?
LP is making 25 PSI, HP bumps that up to 45
iirc the interstage WG is sprung for around a PR of 2? Just the thrust load with the increased airmass is too much.
Got maybe 10k out of the old bearings in the turbo, haven't checked on the new set yet, but they've got about another 10k on them. Got a VF27 on the shelf, just gotta get it jammed on there, after the insight swap is running... Ugh, projects.
 

ibizatdi130

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SEAT Ibiza ASZ tdi 130- SEAT leon bkd tdi 140
It would be best to go with a more modern turbo and at the minimum, I'd go with either a GTB1756VK or GTB2260VK depending on what mods you have done to your TDI.

IMO, I'd go with the most current turbo you can buy for the best performance you can get out of a turbo and that would mean going with either a GTD1752VRK/GTD1756VRK or the larger GTD2060VZK.
Here are a few GTD1752VRK/GTD1756VRK options:
https://www.mecevo.com/parts/garrett_turbo_gtd1756vrk_with_77_billet_wheel.html
https://gottuned.com/product/gtd175...m-converted-and-welded-onto-stock-1-9-2-0tdi/
https://gottuned.com/product/gtd175...m-converted-and-welded-onto-stock-1-9-2-0tdi/

If you wanna upgrade to a GTD2060VZ, it will require quite a bit of customization to make it work on a 1.9L TDI.

I will soon use a gtd1756vrk on my BKD because I have stock injectors so I don't need bigger turbo, but I think using gtd1756vrk with sotck manifold is not good, actualy I use gtb1756vk mfs, before I was using it with stock manifold and now with 4 in 1 tubular manifold and there is a big difference at low rpm, now no surge and spool realy quikly.


I realy think that my old gtb1756vk with tubular manifold is better than gtd1756vrk with stock manifold. stock manifold has realy bad flow
 
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JST

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Alfa Romeo Giulia 2.2 jtd 180 AT8
Garrett 856473-0001
GTD1752MVKR
Alfa Romeo Giulia / Stelvio 2.2 JTD 180 hp
Ceramic ball bearings
Compressor billet 8 full blades with ext tip, 37.2/52/53.7
Turbine 11 blades 39.5/43
Power potential 240-250 hp, 500 Nm at 1750 rpm at full stock engine.

Also available with rpm sensor, for the 2.2 jtd 210 hp, 853741-5004s.
 

TDIMeister

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Still slightly bigger than the BMW's 36mm, so that's good. Can't yet tell from pictures online whether it is integrated with the exhaust manifold or separate.
 
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Syncrogreg

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2.0 TDI CR SWAP ALWAYS FOR SALE
I have this bad boy going on the CUAA TDI. I hope to have all the boost from 2800rpm to 5000rpm is what we need.

Temperature capable 1050C

G25-550





Talk soon!
 

Rub87

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Engine aint 1050 deg capable ����

Maybe mount into vnt housing?
 

JST

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same comp iducer this 210hp verson? plenty power for 37mm...
Yes same wheel size for 210 version, only difference is the rpm sensor.
This unit does 3200 mbar on a stock 2143cc engine, quite amazing for a turbo of this size.
I will test this turbo with a GTD2056vzk comp wheel soon. Let's see if we can reach 3400 mbar...
TDIMeister said:
Still slightly bigger than the BMW's 36mm, so that's good. Can't yet tell from pictures online whether it is integrated with the exhaust manifold or separate.
Unfortenately integrated, here's a better photo:
 

Jukums

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1.9 TDI 1Z TDR.lv
So information about turbo
GT3067s WG
CW - billet
In 49.6mm
Ex 67.5mm
Extended tip 70mm
Housing A/R 0.60
TW
In 59.5mm
Ex 50.5mm
Edit - Housing A/R 0.56
It has billet compressor wheel, anti-surge, water cooled CHRA.
It comes on 2013 Audi A7 3.0d Bitturbo 230kw





And here is result of this turbo on 1.9TDI, need to do some work to get stable boost.

https://youtu.be/erf10pcTmOA
 
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