tuning analysis - what's in a malone tune - starter kit

burpod

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I would hope so. I would also monitor IATs. On a hot day I'd get a couple of hot laps before I could feel the ECU dialing back timing when IATs got above 110F or so. I have a larger side mount intercooler, but never put a front mount on that car. On cooler days it wasn't a problem.
when IATs get above a certain temp like ~65C iirc, what you were feeling was it advancing timing. i have yet to see a tune that changes the way the IAT/timing/boost corrections work. it will also lower target boost
 
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GlowBugTDI

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You have a CR with EDC17 ECU? What Motor? Can you flash at self, i can send you a tunefile.
It was a spare that pkhoury sent to guthrie for learning purposes. Idea being that here in the near future he will start tuning those as well when he has time.

I have you, guthrie, and one other member in the back of my mind if I ever get a cjaa for tuning🙂. Will see who is still tuning when that time comes.
 

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It was a spare that pkhoury sent to guthrie for learning purposes. Idea being that here in the near future he will start tuning those as well when he has time.

I have you, guthrie, and one other member in the back of my mind if I ever get a cjaa for tuning🙂. Will see who is still tuning when that time comes.
Well if he ever gets to it, I'll have a CKRA ECU ready for him to send me the tunes and I'll log them.
 

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Well if he ever gets to it, I'll have a CKRA ECU ready for him to send me the tunes and I'll log them.
😎.

He's about as busy as it gets, so I hope at some point he finds the time to do some of the things he loves to do, and has time to expand his clientele to the CR drivers. The man is a slave to these cars, I hope he can find some peace and rest soon.
 

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Correct. I 100% agree proper way would be to redo the head gasket. Though depending what kind of person you are you could technically retune/detune and probably get away without redoing HG. For how long I'm not sure, but it's totally doable. Just depends how you wish to go about it.
Thanks guys
A little background on the car; 03 alh, 275k miles original injectors, ARP studs, coolant ball black, coolant hoses hold pressure for days currently running with the cap loose. Thermostat replaced with timing belt ~60k ago, car will run at about 197° until mashing the accelerator, like getting on the highway from 197° running through 3rd and 4th will bring coolant up to 220-224. A 5th gear pull from 70-90 will bring coolant up above 230. Temps drop back down within a minute or two.

Still collecting parts for the planned head swap/head gasket change but wondering if it would be foolish to consider messing with 260s before replacing the gasket.

With a conservative tune in theory there might be less time of combustion per stroke so less time to force hot gasses through the gasket... I think, maybe..
Thinking that the old stock injectors are probably popping lower than optimal, and who knows how the spray pattern looks after 275k, so maybe it would be good to swap them in with the leaky head gasket and get them dialed in decently before the head swap as a way to reduce the number of variables we'll be dealing with while tweaking the tune after the head swap.
Or am I asking for a sudden catastrophic failure?
 

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So drove from coeur d’alene, ID to Des Moines, IA and back in my bug with stock turbo and .260 nozzles from the burpod group buy. As luck would have it, i had killer head wind all the way to des moines and even worse on the way back. Best mpg was 42 and worst was 39. Probably not the best testing environment to run the .260 and corresponding burpod tune. While the engine ran fine it just felt “off” and not as smooth as with the old dlc520. When i got home i put back the dlc520 and the corresponding burpod tune back in. This just feels more linear and smooth in its operation and i am back to 46 in local driving mpg. Not saying .260 is bad, but for me i prefer how the dlc520 runs.
 

burpod

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Thanks guys
A little background on the car; 03 alh, 275k miles original injectors, ARP studs, coolant ball black, coolant hoses hold pressure for days currently running with the cap loose. Thermostat replaced with timing belt ~60k ago, car will run at about 197° until mashing the accelerator, like getting on the highway from 197° running through 3rd and 4th will bring coolant up to 220-224. A 5th gear pull from 70-90 will bring coolant up above 230. Temps drop back down within a minute or two.

Still collecting parts for the planned head swap/head gasket change but wondering if it would be foolish to consider messing with 260s before replacing the gasket.

With a conservative tune in theory there might be less time of combustion per stroke so less time to force hot gasses through the gasket... I think, maybe..
Thinking that the old stock injectors are probably popping lower than optimal, and who knows how the spray pattern looks after 275k, so maybe it would be good to swap them in with the leaky head gasket and get them dialed in decently before the head swap as a way to reduce the number of variables we'll be dealing with while tweaking the tune after the head swap.
Or am I asking for a sudden catastrophic failure?
with new .260s i think it would be better, couldn't be any worse IMO at least given you know who's tuning it :p the max fuel wouldn't be any more than what you're doing, simply going to require less advance, which is always a good thing. and you're local so we'll be able to immediately see how it responds, log data, etc. at least they will be known to have good pop pressures + spray pattern. the only question in my mind would be do you want to spend the time swapping them in when you're going to be doing a head job in the near future. only takes ~45min to swap tho, so not a big deal. but from my experience i think it would be perfectly fine. having tested and run in my own cars for a couple years (with EGT), and recently hands-on in a car with your same turbo/pump/nozzles which i went over with fine-toothed comb (also with EGT gauge hooked up for testing, and is reported to get 48-49mpg in its daily driving mix). also tested in another known car (remotely, that previously had .230s, also with EGT gauge).

as for @boertje 's intial tune with it, i'm not quite sure why it wasn't running up to snuff, unfortunately wasn't able to sort it out during the big trip he took with it due to time. but lots of variables there too - high altitudes + strong winds certainly didn't help matters.
 

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Hmm, something doesn't seem quite right @boertje . With .230s I've been averaging 43 all winter, had a over boost issue with the last tune, so modest driving. With the weather warming up I've been getting 46-47 mpg pretty faithfully just hacking back and forth to work. Just swapping in the .260 injectors and running through the 3 tune profiles, this week. I'm actually expecting better mpg. Hit 500 miles just under half tank. Which is a first for me.
 

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Hmm, something doesn't seem quite right @boertje . With .230s I've been averaging 43 all winter, had a over boost issue with the last tune, so modest driving. With the weather warming up I've been getting 46-47 mpg pretty faithfully just hacking back and forth to work. Just swapping in the .260 injectors and running through the 3 tune profiles, this week. I'm actually expecting better mpg. Hit 500 miles just under half tank. Which is a first for me.
Mpg didn’t get worse for me with the .260s I’d say it’s about the same but I like to drive the car more now so it gets the beans more often.
 

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linking my post i made on another thread:

not ECU related, but malone related.
 

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linking my post i made on another thread:

not ECU related, but malone related.
Ask for your money back I did. Glad you were able to get it sorted and didn’t parts cannon it.
 

lemoncurd

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Ask for your money back I did. Glad you were able to get it sorted and didn’t parts cannon it.
if the mech unit was so expensive, and the clutch was so expensive + a hassle to do, i probably would have parts cannoned it and gotten the same results. really disappointing.

what do you recommend for refund? how to ask?
 

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if the mech unit was so expensive, and the clutch was so expensive + a hassle to do, i probably would have parts cannoned it and gotten the same results. really disappointing.

what do you recommend for refund? how to ask?
Tell them you want your money back. You aren’t happy and that it was causing you issues. It will be a process but it will happen.
 

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Tell them you want your money back. You aren’t happy and that it was causing you issues. It will be a process but it will happen.
just requested.

also, i got my new DSG tune in. amazing! holds the extra power without ham fisting ****, and it feels just like stock clutch engagement.
i didnt even have to redo my clutch / gear adaptations for it. so theres something to be said about REAL tuning here and not just wham bamming the f*** out of anything which you may THINK relates to whatever you want to change.
 

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just requested.

also, i got my new DSG tune in. amazing! holds the extra power without ham fisting ****, and it feels just like stock clutch engagement.
i didnt even have to redo my clutch / gear adaptations for it. so theres something to be said about REAL tuning here and not just wham bamming the f*** out of anything which you may THINK relates to whatever you want to change.
Almost like guys have been saying this about their VE tunes… I’m happy it’s fixed! It’s so nice when something actually works without fiddling around with it.
 

burpod

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just requested.

also, i got my new DSG tune in. amazing! holds the extra power without ham fisting ****, and it feels just like stock clutch engagement.
i didnt even have to redo my clutch / gear adaptations for it. so theres something to be said about REAL tuning here and not just wham bamming the f*** out of anything which you may THINK relates to whatever you want to change.
very nice. sounds like some higher quality tuning going on . it's "surprising" how much better things can run when it's not just a hamfisted fudged stock tune :)
 

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But keeping the foot out is rather difficult…
Me every time I fill up the tank to the tippy top: I'll stay out of it and try for my best tank yet.
Also me when I pull up to an R34 20min later and have literally nothing to prove: Hmm, I wonder how well I can keep up....
 

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Best part about the TDIs is that you really can drive like a total maniac and they'll still use a minimal amount of fuel as compared to a lot of other cars. I don't think I could ever get my diesels as low as their gas counterparts.
Completely true. I'm also the same guy that will be bummed when I only get 38mpg, and its still 2x better then my friends vehicles.
 

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I was talking to my son the other night and he's been commuting in his '02 Golf again. 100 mile round trip, mostly on state highways at 50-60 MPH. He was commenting that it seems it never needs fuel, especially compared to his JSW. He doesn't keep track, but I bet he's topping 50 MPG on that commute.
 

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I find they really don't like it when you complain about only getting 45mpg on the last tank... 🤣 Just drives em crazy and I love it hahaha
Yes, especially the ones driving gassers with 6" lift and 12" wides😄.
"Don't even say anything man, I get like 18mpg on a good day and still drive 100mi a day".
At least most truck people don't complain about their gas mileage. One of my buddies recently got a beater honda accord after only ever owning crewcab trucks. Couldn't justify 65+mi/day at 13mpg and now he loves to talk about how great his car is lol.
 

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There are just too many to list....
Oh yeah, coworker years ago when his Durango ate yet another transmission, decided to buy something better. Since he had been driving our loaner Forte at the time, he bought one of those. Seemed to be awe struck by the fact that he could actually go to and from work for a whole week on just one [small] tank of gasoline. Of course, his Forte still uses nearly twice as much as my Golf, and may chuck its rods any day now.
 

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I am so lucky to have had a Dad who taught me the power of having a good fuel efficient appliance style daily. Ours were always small diesels from the 80s (mostly Escorts and LUV pickups) and that way, your toys (muscle cars, mud trucks etc) were always running and in good shape and not beat up, and your trucks were used for actual work. We were the first people I knew who had a crew cab truck ('85 F350 6.9 idi) and we used it to haul our pulling tractors on a gooseneck... not daily it. Just boggles my mind that these city bros spend what they do on these Diesel Pickups to just daily drive and make SHEEEEEWWWWWW noises. Wild times we live in.
 

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There are just too many to list....
At current, down to only one coworker feeding some gas guzzling transmission eating V8 beast to work every day. At one point, we had four of them (and one was a 1988 crew cab F-350 with a 7.5L and a C6 3sp automatic... drove it ~50 miles a day!!!)

It's like a mental illness or something, to piss so much money away on a consumable item like fuel in that way. I just don't get it.
 

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I bought a 2011 Ford F150 XLT Supercab 5.0 for my extra vehicle. One owner and 222k miles. It does the boat pulling/trash runs/hauling things kind of work and the 2015 Beetle does the rest. Had a hitch been able to be installed on my 2015 Beetle I would have just used it. The truck only gets 15 mpg if you drive it right (city/urban), Beetle gets 34 mpg. No brainer.
 
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