Trade-in experiences for another VW

[Rayzer]

I know there's another thread re: selling TDI post dieselgate, but thought I'd start a thread for anyone that has or is trying to trade their current TDI on another VW.

I had decided to trade mine for a Golf R this past summer, but the manual 6sp wouldn't be available until the '16 models. Wasn't in a hurry as I like my TDI but then the scandal breaks in Sept. I'm now getting itchy to get the R, but have been in a holding pattern to see if VW will have a trade program or something else to soften the value loss, or flat out trade rejection from the dealers.

Hopefully experiences shared here will help others looking to trade for a new gas or diesel VW.. and hopefully VW will be doing something to true up value losses to the current owners that have been loyal and aren't abandoning ship.

So far, I have 2 trade inquiries and a phone call into to my local dealership where I purchased my TDI.. They never got back to me.. business must be good for them?

 

[bubbagumpshrimp]

I know there's another thread re: selling TDI post dieselgate, but thought I'd start a thread for anyone that has or is trying to trade their current TDI on another VW.

I had decided to trade mine for a Golf R this past summer, but the manual 6sp wouldn't be available until the '16 models. Wasn't in a hurry as I like my TDI but then the scandal breaks in Sept. I'm now getting itchy to get the R, but have been in a holding pattern to see if VW will have a trade program or something else to soften the value loss, or flat out trade rejection from the dealers.

Hopefully experiences shared here will help others looking to trade for a new gas or diesel VW.. and hopefully VW will be doing something to true up value losses to the current owners that have been loyal and aren't abandoning ship.

So far, I have 2 trade inquiries and a phone call into to my local dealership where I purchased my TDI.. They never got back to me.. business must be good for them?

I doubt that very much. They probably don't want to mess with your car and figure that if you really want to unload it...you'll drop by and get a trade-in quote in person.

For what it's worth...I did this years ago (traded in one VW for another). I got bent over a barrel and done dry (figuratively). Basically the same thing that has happened to most people that rushed out and traded in their TDI for another VW.

My $.02...wait and see what they offer up for a trade-in incentive for TDI customers. They'll offer something up. Keep in mind...they can afford to take ~$5k off for year end sales and still turn a profit. That's the kind of thing I would expect to see (just to appease people impacted by the TDI issue).

 

[Rayzer]

This recent safety recall and stop sale on the 1.8T and 2.0 gas engines got to be rough on dealers in light of the TDI stop sale:
http://www.goapr.com/tsp/3f4b0448-ab...108ccf2271.pdf

 

[bubbagumpshrimp]

Yup. That would be why some dealerships look like used car lots. I've mentioned it in other threads...3/4 of my dealerships vehicles are used and not Volkswagens. They've got to find something to sell while the bulk of their line Is down for the count.

Wait and see how this settles. I'm at a complete loss as to why someone would buy another VW at the moment, given the latest revelations.

 

[jetlagmech]

Remember, dealerships are in busines to make money. they will use whatever story they can to get your trade as cheap as possible. no mater what car you have they will say this isn't a popular car and will be hard to resell. Or make up any story that might work, that is thier job !!!!!! doesn't mean its true or not true, you have to know before you go in what will be acceptable to you. Just don't expect to hear honest advise from commission sales people.

In the investment world, the sucessful will say when everyone is screaming sell, sell, sell.....thats when you buy. when everyone is screaming buy, buy, buy.....thats when you sell.

 

[02TDIred]

"dieselgate"

German carmaker Volkswagen increased sales in the US in October as the emissions scandal entangling the company mounts.

Sales of the company's Golf line increased 40.2% compared to October last year. The Jetta and the Beetle, though, both took hits with sales decreasing 41.5% and 34.1% respectively. [/QUOTE]

linkie: http://www.bbc.com/news/business-34715268

 

[croppz]

My VW dealer called me and offered to help work something out since I had bought it literally two days before the scandal. I entertained it and went in to look at a 13 GLI Autobahn that had 40k miles on it.

After was all said and done they wanted about as much for the GLI as a brand new hyundai cost across the street at their dealer groups hyundai joint. AND they said they wouldn't do the 40k mile service for me. So i packed up, went across the street and got a brand new car for the price (actually paid less) of a 2 year old used one with 40k. I'll take that depreciation hit knowing I don't have to worry about the completely asinine maintenance costs related VWs. I loved my TDI and was willing to deal with the higher costs, then I got lied to, my value sunk to the floor and my DPF cracked all in one month. Cut my losses and moved on. They gave me 16k for my TDI.

 

[gmcjetpilot]

I'm at a complete loss as to why someone would buy another VW at the moment, given the latest revelations.

Why because we can think and put it in perspective. Let's run down some
far more egregious issues that cost 100's of people their lives, and
many more severely injured.

Exploding Airbags (not VW)
Ignition Switch Turns off disables Airbags (not VW)
Toyota's Out-of-Control Gas Pedals, 2009-2010 (not VW)

Of course VW Co. sucks, but that does not mean their cars are not fun to
drive with tons of torque and fantastic mileage... providing nice fit, finish
and materials that feels upscale to other cars. Those may be some reasons
to put up with VW?

People talking of trade in for real? Really or trolling. If you want to trade
your car in do it. If they don't offer you enough sell it yourself and get a
better price. Dealers can and do not take trade in's all the time, especially
if they are selling you a car that is discounted and they can sell anyway
without trade in.

I would suggest you don't trade in your TDI any time soon and wait.
Car purchases that are discretionary and it will cost you a lot when
you drive that new car off the lot and take huge depreciation on that
new vehicle, way more than the little dip in your TDI from diesel gate.
Not doing anything and driving your TDI will save you money. The
TDI market value will recover, because there is always a market for a
fun to drive, high torque, high MPG car with cool looks and bells & whistles.

Second I would do a private sale if I had to liquidate my car & be patient.
I find it fun to market a car, take pictures, write the text and negotiate.
You will be fine. These cars have VALUE despite the "Market". The
reported loss in market price is from whole seller auctions, not private
sales. Of course they want to pay less. However I see prices holding of
TDI's far better than the gloom and doom some are peddling. I also do
NOT see people dumping their TDI in mass. My car, almost identical with
104K miles (mine has 78K) sold for about $9,300. That was not far off
pre diesel gate. Of course I would never take that because my car is worth
far more than that to me. I will not sell this car for another 7 to10 years.

 

[bubbagumpshrimp]

Why because we can think and put it in perspective. Let's run down some
far more egregious issues that cost 100's of people their lives, and
many more severely injured.

Exploding Airbags (not VW)
Ignition Switch Turns off disables Airbags (not VW)
Toyota's Out-of-Control Gas Pedals, 2009-2010 (not VW)

Of course VW Co. sucks, but that does not mean their cars are not fun to
drive with tons of torque and fantastic mileage... providing nice fit, finish
and materials that feels upscale to other cars. Those may be some reasons
to put up with VW?

People talking of trade in for real? Really or trolling. If you want to trade
your car in do it. If they don't offer you enough sell it yourself and get a
better price. Dealers can and do not take trade in's all the time, especially
if they are selling you a car that is discounted and they can sell anyway
without trade in.

I would suggest you don't trade in your TDI any time soon and wait.
Car purchases that are discretionary and it will cost you a lot when
you drive that new car off the lot and take huge depreciation on that
new vehicle, way more than the little dip in your TDI from diesel gate.
Not doing anything and driving your TDI will save you money. The
TDI market value will recover, because there is always a market for a
fun to drive, high torque, high MPG car with cool looks and bells & whistles.

Second I would do a private sale if I had to liquidate my car & be patient.
I find it fun to market a car, take pictures, write the text and negotiate.
You will be fine. These cars have VALUE despite the "Market". The
reported loss in market price is from whole seller auctions, not private
sales. Of course they want to pay less. However I see prices holding of
TDI's far better than the gloom and doom some are peddling. I also do
NOT see people dumping their TDI in mass. My car, almost identical with
104K miles (mine has 78K) sold for about $9,300. That was not far off
pre diesel gate. Of course I would never take that because my car is worth
far more than that to me. I will not sell this car for another 7 to10 years.

It's that mindset ("let's put it in perspective"...it's not as bad as what 'x' did) that they likely used to justify going ahead as they did. They figured (correctly so) that a LOT of people would just give them a pass. It's not the fact that something went amiss...it's the intent/attitude that made it possible that gets me.

Yup. While I've wanted something else for a while now (something with more interior space and an automatic transmission)...I'm not in such a rush that I'm willing to take a loss to get rid of it.

Edit: My first thought when this broke (the TDI thing) wasn't "woe is me my car will be worth less"...it was "it's a real shame." It's a shame that they (VW) had finally found a great marketing method and audience to push affordable diesel passenger vehicles beyond the niche enthusiast market. It's a shame that the EPA has been gunning for diesel vehicles for years...and VW gave them ammunition to use against them. Who knows what they long-term consequences (for diesel passenger vehicles) will be.

 

[Jimmy Coconuts]

I read a couple different articles this past week that mentioned VW informed the dealers they will buy back used TDIs that have been on dealer lots for 60 days or longer, and they will pay pre-dieselgate values for those cars. This policy just came out at the end of October.

If a dealer tells you they will take your trade, but the value has dropped because of the scandal, just walk away.

 

[South Coast Guy]

I read a couple different articles this past week that mentioned VW informed the dealers they will buy back used TDIs that have been on dealer lots for 60 days or longer, and they will pay pre-dieselgate values for those cars. This policy just came out at the end of October.
If a dealer tells you they will take your trade, but the value has dropped because of the scandal, just walk away.

Dreaming! Please provide a specific quote and not just a rumor.

 

[Rayzer]

Dreaming! Please provide a specific quote and not just a rumor.

http://www.autonews.com/article/20151030/RETAIL07/151039985/vw-offers-dealers-a-price-guarantee-on-used-diesel-vehicles

 

[Jimmy Coconuts]

Thanks Rayzer. That was one of the articles I read. I tracked down the other:

http://m.leftlanenews.com/vw-to-buy-back-some-used-tdi-model-from-dealers-90115.html

 

[Jimmy Coconuts]

Makes sense for VW to do this, as it takes care of the dealers, and offers customers who want out of their TDI an option to trade-in to a new gas VW.

 

[Jimmy Coconuts]

And another (says same thing):
http://www.autospies.com/news/Volks...Value-With-Buy-Back-Program-To-Dealers-86778/

 

[harrower]

$500 prepaid cards

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2015/11/exclusive-volkswagen-to-announce-tdi-goodwill-program-next-week/


Volkswagen of America, in a bid to regain the trust of current diesel owners, will announce a prepaid card campaign on November 9, TTAC has learned.
The program, detailed to dealers today in preparation of its public announcement, is aimed at current owners of affected TDI models regardless of whether they bought their car new or used.
Two prepaid cards will be offered to those TDI owners. The first one will be for $500 and has no restrictions on where it can be used. The second, which may be valued between $500 and $750, will be limited to use at Volkswagen dealerships.
According to our tipster, owners of affected models will need to visit their local Volkswagen dealership with proof of vehicle ownership to activate the prepaid cards.
Owners can find out if they qualify for the “TDI Goodwill Program” by going to www.vwdieselinfo.com and doing a VIN lookup on or after November 9. If they qualify, owners will then be asked to register to receive updates regarding future developments on their diesel vehicles.
Representatives for Volkswagen of America could not be reached for comment.

 

[Jimmy Coconuts]

I guess that explains why the $2000 loyalty bonus is now a $1500 loyalty bonus.

 

[South Coast Guy]

http://www.autonews.com/article/20151030/RETAIL07/151039985/vw-offers-dealers-a-price-guarantee-on-used-diesel-vehicles

I stand corrected.

 

[cqk56]

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2015/11/exclusive-volkswagen-to-announce-tdi-goodwill-program-next-week/


Volkswagen of America, in a bid to regain the trust of current diesel owners, will announce a prepaid card campaign on November 9, TTAC has learned.
The program, detailed to dealers today in preparation of its public announcement, is aimed at current owners of affected TDI models regardless of whether they bought their car new or used.
Two prepaid cards will be offered to those TDI owners. The first one will be for $500 and has no restrictions on where it can be used. The second, which may be valued between $500 and $750, will be limited to use at Volkswagen dealerships.
According to our tipster, owners of affected models will need to visit their local Volkswagen dealership with proof of vehicle ownership to activate the prepaid cards.
Owners can find out if they qualify for the “TDI Goodwill Program” by going to www.vwdieselinfo.com and doing a VIN lookup on or after November 9. If they qualify, owners will then be asked to register to receive updates regarding future developments on their diesel vehicles.
Representatives for Volkswagen of America could not be reached for comment.

I hope that's not all they intend to do to make owners whole.

 

[dmarsingill]

I hope that's not all they intend to do to make owners whole.

Why are you not "whole"? Did they sneak in while you were not looking and change something in your car? If it makes you feel better, you can have my portion. My cost of ownership is a lot lower than expected due to diesel prices being so low since I bought it in 2011.

Donald

 

[DarkStar]

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2015/11/exclusive-volkswagen-to-announce-tdi-goodwill-program-next-week/


Volkswagen of America, in a bid to regain the trust of current diesel owners, will announce a prepaid card campaign on November 9, TTAC has learned.
The program, detailed to dealers today in preparation of its public announcement, is aimed at current owners of affected TDI models regardless of whether they bought their car new or used.
Two prepaid cards will be offered to those TDI owners. The first one will be for $500 and has no restrictions on where it can be used. The second, which may be valued between $500 and $750, will be limited to use at Volkswagen dealerships.
According to our tipster, owners of affected models will need to visit their local Volkswagen dealership with proof of vehicle ownership to activate the prepaid cards.
Owners can find out if they qualify for the “TDI Goodwill Program” by going to www.vwdieselinfo.com and doing a VIN lookup on or after November 9. If they qualify, owners will then be asked to register to receive updates regarding future developments on their diesel vehicles.
Representatives for Volkswagen of America could not be reached for comment.

I wonder what we will have to sign to get said pre-paid card.

I have few qualms about trading in my car for a new TDI if the trade-in credit was good. I would jump all over a TDI Alltrack.

Richard

Edt: I also hope they start offering good options too...but I am not holding out much hope (ie full power seats, 8" discoverer pro, RLS/auto-dimming mirrors, etc)

 

[cqk56]

Why are you not "whole"? Did they sneak in while you were not looking and change something in your car?
Donald

Well lets see, VW sold these "Clean Diesels" knowingly on false pretenses now causing the value of the car to substantially decrease, the "fix" may change the performance, mileage and reliability on the car, so yea I think people need to be made whole. I like my car the way it is and have very little faith in VW that the fix will not change the way my car performs.

 

[dmarsingill]

Well lets see, VW sold these "Clean Diesels" knowingly on false pretenses now causing the value of the car to substantially decrease, the "fix" may change the performance, mileage and reliability on the car, so yea I think people need to be made whole. I like my car the way it is and have very little faith in VW that the fix will not change the way my car performs.

Values are caused by supply and demand. Apparently people freaking out causes values to be low in their mind, but mine is still worth the same as before. You are citing reasons that have not happened yet. These are unknowns at this point. What made you assume that clean meant that it was spewing Febreze out of it's tailpipe? It means to most people that it doesn't smell like a diesel and it doesn't smoke. Just as a curiosity, I will put in KBB the area where you are from on my car and post back.

Donald

It appears mine is worth more in IL than in GA. It is higher than I checked it 6 months ago when I wanted to see how far above water I was.

http://www.kbb.com/volkswagen/jetta/2011/tdi-sportwagen-sport-wagon-4d/?vehicleid=352662&intent=trade-in-sell&mileage=105000&category=wagon&options=4387299%7ctrue%7c6374039%7ctrue%7c4304582%7ctrue&condition=very-good&pricetype=private-party


This is my area.
http://www.kbb.com/volkswagen/jetta...e&condition=very-good&pricetype=private-party

 

[cqk56]

You are citing reasons that have not happened yet. These are unknowns at this point. What made you assume that clean meant that it was spewing Febreze out of it's tailpipe?

I "assumed" it was EPA legal. You are right we don't know the outcome yet, but you can be the first in line for the fix since you have more faith in VW than I do.

 

[bubbagumpshrimp]

I wonder what we will have to sign to get said pre-paid card.

I have few qualms about trading in my car for a new TDI if the trade-in credit was good. I would jump all over a TDI Alltrack.

Richard

Yup. I can only imagine what'll be in the fine print. I.e. ATHF D1ckesode... "One in three customers will get their d1ck ripped off."

 

[dmarsingill]

You are citing reasons that have not happened yet. These are unknowns at this point. What made you assume that clean meant that it was spewing Febreze out of it's tailpipe?

I "assumed" it was EPA legal. You are right we don't know the outcome yet, but you can be the first in line for the fix since you have more faith in VW than I do.

I probably won't get the recall, unless It is required for benefits in the future.(warranties, goodwill replacements, etc.) It will continue to get good mileage, pollute less than the car it replaced(1996 Grand Cherokee V8), and eat up miles of highway just like it did before the scandal.

Donald

 

[cqk56]

I probably won't get the recall, unless It is required for benefits in the future.(warranties, goodwill replacements, etc.) It will continue to get good mileage, pollute less than the car it replaced(1996 Grand Cherokee V8), and eat up miles of highway just like it did before the scandal.

Donald

Thats my plan too, unless the EPA requires states to make sure the fix was completed to renew the registration.

 

[Anonymous911]

I traded my old '13 Golf TDI for a '16 GTI SE PP with LP. The trade in was $15,750 with only 46k miles. I got the GTI for $27k out of the door before the trade in.

VERY VERY Happy with the GTI!!!

 

[calimustang]

Ok enough with asshats comments! Dont need to post it on here if you wanna whine about TDI and glorify about new VW non TDI vehicle. This is TDI forum only! Have a nice evening folks!

 

[bizzle]

hah, true enough

anyway, the only thing I'm waiting for is the 2016 GSW TDI to be certified and then I'll consider trading from our 2012 JSW to it depending on what kinds of incentives VW is offering.

As long as then can match what I owe I'll be fine with that offer.