Traction Control(ASR) Need a Ginnie pig

Birdman

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When I had my 01 last winter I had to pass a new Toyota going one of the bigger hills 8% grade About 2000 ft and the other car would not get out of the way (really could not move) so I just walked mine around him after stopping to let traffic get by him from the other way. Well worth the 50 -100 $ for the unit. Hopefully I will have one on my 03 by next winter, I am going to tuff it out this year. On you light it will not flash all the time only when your car is spinning a wheel. I guess I have had it on that car for 8 or so years and over all the best mod I did. Having a lot of power is fun but in the winter I want the safety in traction. May I will spring for ESP on this one.
 

csstevej

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2001 golf tdi 4 door auto now a manual, mine, 2000 golf 2 door M/T son's,daughters 98 NB non-TDI 2.0, 2003 TDI NB for next daughter, head repaired and on road,glutton for punishment got another tdi 2001NB,another yellow tdi NB
I finally got off my a$$ and put the ASR/EDL mod on both my son's car and mine. I haven't done the switch yet , I will when temps allow. This works like a champ. It's amazing how a Northeaster will get someone motivated:D. My only trouble was the ABS bleeding using VAG-COM. I down loaded the procedure that'ss floating around here. I don't know if it's because I was using that latest rev to VAG-COM or something else but I never got the "go" indication once I performed the first step, IE press anhd hold brake pedal. Once that step was done I had to click up to #2 then follow that set of instruction Then click on #3, ect,ect,ect. After I got to level 13, I stopped, at that point I didn't have any bubbles and a nice firm pedal.
First car took about 3hrs, second car about 1.5 -- 2 hrs. I am very pleased with the results. One of the best mods done so far. I highly recommend this to the snow belt community.
 

csstevej

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2001 golf tdi 4 door auto now a manual, mine, 2000 golf 2 door M/T son's,daughters 98 NB non-TDI 2.0, 2003 TDI NB for next daughter, head repaired and on road,glutton for punishment got another tdi 2001NB,another yellow tdi NB
Where in the Bently, The only thing I could find was a normal procedure for brake bleeding, nothing for ABS or using Vag Com. Even using Vag-Com to bleed it took a good 7 to 9 times before I had a hard pedal and no more bubbles. I did it a couple of extra times just to make sure on the first pump I changed. The second pump I just did this till I got a solid stream of fluid.
 

andreigbs

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Bump...Everybody who has a MK4 and lives in snow areas needs to do this mod. It works fantastic. Stopped on a hill with around 2 inches of very heavy, icy, and dense snow. Revved the engine and dumped the clutch. EDL went to work right off and I went right up the hill. ASR didn't seem to do much which I thought was odd, although I really wasn't flooring it either. The light only blinked once or twice. Maybe it's a 99.5 thing?
What's the word on this mod working on '04 PD models? My 5spd GL model has ABS, would love the ASR upgrade. Ideas?
 

turbocharged798

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Don't know if anybody has done it on a PD yet. It should work fine as I believe it was an factory option on those models.

BTW, ASR is working very well on my 99.5. It cuts engine power right out when you punch it to the floor going up a slippery hill.
 

david_594

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andreigbs

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Advice? -> Don't buy new! Used these go for anywhere between $50 and $100. They don't have a real high failure rate either, so the odds of getting a bad used unit are very slim.

Find someone on vortex with the same year car and ASR and you should be good.
Thanks for the tip, I was trying to match up part #s as well. Looking at vortex...
 

andreigbs

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^^^ I take it the options were either ABS+ESP or ABS+ASR then? I think I've found a few that would work, I'll check back for more info. This is just one of thousands of reasons why TDIclub rocks.
 

Birdman

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^^^ I take it the options were either ABS+ESP or ABS+ASR then? I think I've found a few that would work, I'll check back for more info. This is just one of thousands of reasons why TDIclub rocks.
ASR/EDL/MDR/ABS there are many on the unit just get on if a car that had the ASR on/off button on the dash and you should be good. I hope to ave mine back on for next season. this years a bust so far anyway
 

flatlanded

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Looking for one for my '02... found one with part # 1J0 698 417 A and one with 1J0 614 417 A... Which one do I need and what's the difference... and is that ALL I need? Thanks!
 

Ciuy

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hello everyone, i read alot on this topic, i want ASR on my car badly..even before i found this awesome thread.

I have an Audi A4 B5 1999 Facelift (non can-bus) model with simple Bosch 5.3 ABS .
I found out i can upgrade my ABS Pump with one ABS/EDL using A4, A6, Passat b5.5 or a skoda pump, several codes. Its just plug&play.

Will upgrading with an Audi A6 1999 ABS/EDL/ASR Pump be plug and play also?
From what i reserched all i have to do is take 3 wires (1 for ELD brake pad overheat protection to the AC unit, 1 for the ASR button and one for the IC light).

Anything else anyone know about?

I found 3 pumps with ABS/EDL/ASR untill now:

Remark: Part no.
8E0 614 111 C - 8E0 614 111 G
8E0 614 111 H - 8E0 614 111 J
8E0 614 111 AH - 8E0 614 111 AJ

I believe the "H" and "AH" pumps use can-bus (they are on 2000+ vehicles that got can-bus upgrade in factory) but the C was used on -99 vehicles (non canbus like me).
Maybe someone can help me out with some ETKA documentation or anything else. I used all my options...

Those parts will fit perfectly, they look the same also, what i`m not sure is if the ASR will kick in, if it will work or if my ECU will recognize it (if it does communicate with the ABS).

Any other modifications i should expect doing? ECU coding and stuff?
Long live the VAG group. \o/
 

Ciuy

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come on, noone can tell me if ASR needs anything else done to retrofit?

Does it really comunicate with the ECU? If so will the plug from the ABS Pump do just fine or do i have to reprogram ECU? Help me out here...

VW and Audi cars are the same VAG Group . IF you guys did it, i`m sure i can ...
 

compu_85

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Your car uses a Bosch system, not ATE light the A platform cars. We have very little experience with the B cars here :( The few that were sold here at least have ASR. (well except for 2 in 1998)

-J
 

Ciuy

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Ok, i understand. But maybe someone can tell me how the ASR works, on platform A cars atleast, regarding the throttle control that ASR does. I know it applies the brakes in conjuction with ABS and it controls the engine power.

Do platform B cars have DBW (drive by wire) Throttle body`s or DBC (drive by cable) ?
I found some indication ASR requires DBW so the throttle can be controlled electronically, but its no solid.

Do you have a physical cable from the throttle body to the acceleration pedal or not? For example i can rev. up my car from the engine bay by pulling the accel. cable.
I`m thinking only electronically accelerated cars can use ASR for the engine power control that ASR manages.

This information will help me decide about this upgrade.

After all, i`m thinking ASR works the same way on all cars indifferent of the brand or series.

Thank you
 
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compu_85

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As far as I know VW only sold ASR with drive by wire cars here. The system sends messages over the CAN bus to the computer. But, I know the system can work on cars with cable throttles, my sisters Grand Prix has a cable throttle, with Bosch ASR.

-J
 

Ciuy

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Well thats somewhat reassuring...but the fact that ASR controls my throttle scares me; imagine that its not 100% compatible and God knows when or what happens and i`m not getting power when i need it. So many things can go wrong :p

i`ll postpone this until summer comes back, this cold wont make things easier for me anyway.

If anyone has any info tough, please post. Might help

Thanks
 

dany19940

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Seat Toledo
Hi, all. I just find out about this possible modification and I had fully understand it. My car has Mk20 system with only ABS. For this one all is clear regarding what has to be replaced and how. I have a question about my wife's car. The controller is little different, is Mk 30 I think. Here is what is written in a scan:
Address 03: ABS Brakes Labels: 6X0-907-379.lbl
Part No: 6X0 907 379 B
Component: ABS 30 IE CAN V004
Coding: 05603
Shop #: WSC 00000

This module can be replaced with another with ASR function? If anyone knows, please let me know. Thank you , guys, for the work well done!
 

tonyM

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1999 Golf MK4, 1J1, Highline, AKL, DUU
I did a Google-search for this "30 IE CAN V004 " VAG-COM scan, and found ABS/EDS only in VW Polo and Seat Cordoba:

Chassis Type: 6N - VW Polo
Scan: 01,02,03,08,15,17,19,25,35,41,45,46,55
---------------------------------------------
Address 03: ABS Brakes
Controller: 6X0 907 379 C
Component: ABS/EDS 30 IE CAN V004
Coding: 15603
Shop #: WSC 01234
................................................................................................
Chassis Type: 6K - Seat Ibiza
Scan: 01,02,03,08,15,17,25,35,56

Address 03 --------------------------
Controller: 6X0 907 379 C
Component: ABS/EDS 30 IE CAN V004
Coding: 16406
Shop #: WSC 00000

Same modul, but different coding. I know that coding in MK20 can't be changed as in MK60 with VAG-COM. Don't know about MK30.

You can search more info in Polo/Seat forums.
 

dany19940

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I am wondering if "6x0" modules can be replaced with "6Q0" ones. In the last ones family there is available some with ASR option and some with ESP(to wich I do not want to pass).
Part No: 6Q0 907 379 D
Component: ABS/ASR 5.7 FRONT V00 (Skoda Fabia 6Y)

or
6Q0698417A - ABS+ASR ATE 6Q0 614 417 C ( Polo 9N 2002 )

I cannot find any electric diagramm for both versions connections to clear that.
I also cannot find "6X0" module in VagCat online.
 
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Strandl5

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Yes, 1J0 907 379 P is only ABS, MK20 type.
It is written on its body: Steuergerät fuer ABS.
Scan Address 03 with VAG-COM and you will see:
Address 03: ABS Brakes
Part No: 1J0 907 379 P
Component: ABS 20 IE CAN 0001
For ASR upgrade, you can use 1J0 907 379 J (or R, or AF) with motor 1J0 614 417 А. Motors with label ending 117 is for ABS only, 217 is for ABS+EDS only. That is why I wrote 1J0907379R+1J0614417А.
Here is what is written on its body: Steuergerät ABS/EDS/MSR/ASR.
Can you tell me your ECU code? You told me that you had this setup before:
ABS controller BEFORE: 1J0 614 117 C + 1J0 907 379 G
To you have access to ETKA? Can you check if these will fit me? 1J0 907 379 R (or J, or AF).
My VIN: WVWZZZ1JZ1W224536
Thanks.
 

Strandl5

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I can't get ASR ABS with good price, but I'm able to get the one with only EDL cheaply.
Can someone with ETKA help me?
I have two ways to go:
1. 1J0 907 379 Q + 1J0 614 217 E This should be the newer one with CAN?
2. 1J0 907 379 H + 1J0 614 217 C This is then the older one w/o CAN?
 
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dany19940

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I'm having a hard time in finding 1J0 614 417 A + 1J0 907 379 R. I will keep on searching until I will find one pair. Not even other letters at the end instead of "R"(J or AF). I will keep searching for electrical diagrams for Arosa, Polo and Fabia, to find replacement module with ASR for my wife's Arosa. I will post here how things will go on. For now I want to thank you, guys, for inspiration.
 

dany19940

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I find somewhere an module with following codes: 1J0 614 417 C + 1J0 907 379 D. Can somebody tell me what options have this module and if this module is Mk 20 ? I know that the "R" finished module has ABS/EDL/MSR/ASR. VagCat (EPC) online is not working these days and I cannot check myself.
 
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