Timing belt replacement times

tdiDerry

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Here is what I am wondering.. If the TB was changed by VW at 60K before I owned the car, and I just passed 120K it needs to be done.. OR, do i look to see if it is a 100K belt?? and do it at 106K?? Or, are they done at 60K regardless..

2005 Jetta MkIV with BEW

Thanks in advance, Derry
 

greengeeker

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They are 100k belts so I would think you'd be ok to go out to 160k but that assumes they replaced everything with quality parts and did the job correctly.
 

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Check your owners manual for your interval. It's either 80 or 100K miles. If it's 100K, I'd start thinking about it at 80,000 miles and do it at 85~90K miles.
 
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VWBeamer

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hid3 said:
I'd go with the current TB up to 160k if I were you. Still, be sure not to exceed the 5 year limit.
5 year limit:eek:

My 2004 with 75K has never been changed.

great, more money.
 

jettawreck

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This five year thing is becoming more and more passed around as fact. I'ld like to see a TSB or something to back it up. There is no mention of a "time limit" on TB maintainance in the owner's manual. While it may not be a bad idea, is it factual?? I would like to see it. If you install a 100K mile "kit" and drive 15K/year you would only get 75K before your time was up. These TBs are very good quality with little/no exposure to the elements.
Again, I think good to error on the safe side, but what is the "official word" on TB life from the manufacturer-preferably the belt manufacturer.
 

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jettawreck said:
This five year thing is becoming more and more passed around as fact. I'ld like to see a TSB or something to back it up. There is no mention of a "time limit" on TB maintainance in the owner's manual. While it may not be a bad idea, is it factual?? I would like to see it. If you install a 100K mile "kit" and drive 15K/year you would only get 75K before your time was up. These TBs are very good quality with little/no exposure to the elements.
Again, I think good to error on the safe side, but what is the "official word" on TB life from the manufacturer-preferably the belt manufacturer.
The heat that kills them over time it will dry rot.
 

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tdiDerry said:
Here is what I am wondering.. If the TB was changed by VW at 60K before I owned the car, and I just passed 120K it needs to be done.. OR, do i look to see if it is a 100K belt?? and do it at 106K?? Or, are they done at 60K regardless..

2005 Jetta MkIV with BEW

Thanks in advance, Derry
If the original belt was changed once at 60K by VW before you owned the car, and it now has 120K, I would change it again immediately. That is, unless you have absolute proof that VW changed all the parts including the TTY bolts. You could have the original water pump and tensioner, and you probably have the original motor mount bolts.

Regarding the 5 year bit, my 04 jetta has only 57K miles but 6 years in TX, and I just changed the belt and all components (Thanks runonbeer!). VW had it apart at 45K to replace the head, put the original timing belt components back on. It was warranty work on something they screwed up on, so I knew I would just replace the belt elsewhere once their warranty ran out. Good thing; turns out the motor mount bolts were original and loose.

If you hang out on this forum a while you'll read many, many threads about incorrectly done TB replacements at the dealer, with a ruined head as the result.
 

hid3

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jettawreck said:
This five year thing is becoming more and more passed around as fact. I'ld like to see a TSB or something to back it up. There is no mention of a "time limit" on TB maintainance in the owner's manual.
European PD engines have this mentioned in the manual.
 

jettawreck

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hid3 said:
European PD engines have this mentioned in the manual.
Why only the European models?? Can someone please scan/copy it (five year time limit) and post it up for the PD owners. Not that it affects me, but, would be good to have it for reference.
No change for the old ALH's like mine?? 100K miles still, correct?
 

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jettawreck said:
Why only the European models?? Can someone please scan/copy it (five year time limit) and post it up for the PD owners. Not that it affects me, but, would be good to have it for reference.
No change for the old ALH's like mine?? 100K miles still, correct?
Nope.
Every timing belt on any car is timing wise.
Some cars has 6 years some 5 years. On VW and Audi 1.8 engine they had originally 105k or 5 years but people did not follow timing wise and there was many t/belts broken at 80-85k. So they came up with TSB that t/belt was reduce to 75k.
Also if you search forum there is many posts that t/belt was broken because timing wise.
But it is your choice.
Also this is only for stock engine. If you have flush ECU or any other modes t/belt change is need to be decrease in millage and timing wise.
 

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Hanover, December 2009

ContiTech.de said:
Customers should be informed by workshops

• Mileage not the only factor

• Aging damages material

• Correct, up-to-date maintenance information essential

The correct time to change a timing belt depends not only on the mileage of the car, but also on the age of the belt, Workshops should inform their customers of this, advises ContiTech. "Long periods of non-use place just as much strain on a belt as regular operation does. Aging damages the material – no matter how much you drive," explains Helmut Engel, Head of Automotive Aftermarket at the ContiTech Power Transmission Group.



Replacing a timing belt at the proper time prevents costly engine damage. Decisive for the replacement, however, is not only the number of kilometers driven but also the age of the belt.


Many drivers don't realize that the mileage on the clock isn't the only reason to make regular trips to the repair workshop. Most second cars, city cars and convertibles are unlikely to reach the replacement intervals specified by the manufacturer, even after many years of driving. In Germany, over ten million cars are driven as second cars – just under a quarter of the cars licensed with the Federal Motor Transport Authority (Kraftfahrtbundesamt).

"In the last few years, some manufacturers have already started to change replacemnt intervals to take age into account, especially for timing belts. However, these changes are not indicated in the service manual,” explains Kai-Uwe Suppé, technical trainer at ContiTech. In order to perform maintenance in accordance with the inspection guidelines, repair workshops should therefore always refer to up-to-date information, otherwise they could be liable to pay compensation in case of damage. "Automobile businesses can obtain all the important information on diagnosis, repairs and maintenance via providers such as Autodata. The information available via such services is updated regularly based on the original manufacturer specifications. That way, the workshop is on the safe side," explains Suppé. If the manufacturer has not provided suitable specifications, ContiTech advises that timing belts be replaced after six years at the latest.

When changing belts, it is also highly recommended to replace all the relevant belt drive components at the same time. This provides greater safety for the engine. With OEM-quality kits containing perfectly matched drive components, ContiTech offers the right products for this task. The advantages for workshops are clear: there is no need to order individual parts, you can always be certain that the parts match the vehicle and type and administration for incoming goods and processing becomes a lot simpler. This saves time and reduces process costs. Using kits also provides mechanics with the best possible means of protecting themselves from possible warranty claims. Workshops can find the ContiTech kits in the online catalog at www.contitech.de/aam. They are also listed in TecDoc, the digital information system that supplies the vehicle replacement parts market and workshops with comprehensive data for purchasing purposes.
 

thebigarniedog

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tdiDerry said:
Here is what I am wondering.. If the TB was changed by VW at 60K before I owned the car, and I just passed 120K it needs to be done.. OR, do i look to see if it is a 100K belt?? and do it at 106K?? Or, are they done at 60K regardless..

2005 Jetta MkIV with BEW

Thanks in advance, Derry
If it was my car, a VW dealership would never touch the TB. There are just too many horror stories. Who knows what was changed out and what was not changed out --- I guess you could find out if and when it fails. So if it were my car, it would already have been changed.

As to the "number of years" argument (that was brough up by others in this thread), I am convinced that it is an owner decision (as VW has decided not to enter the arena with factory guidance). Personally, 6 years is pushing it (irrespective of the mileage driven). What you decide to do is your call --- it is your car and your risk ;) . Good luck ...........
 

RT1

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I think you'd best do the TB before it strands you and empties your bank account. Mine didn't look that bad at 100,000 miles. Must be the heat that cooked it.
 

Spike Strip

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Ugh ... Mo' money, mo' tools to buy...

Anybody direct me to a "best kit" , please -- and good tools, too ! (ok, ok, I love buying tools, so that part ain't so bad. :D

'05 Golf Auto GLS BEW PD
 

Jeff Heyerman

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That's the serpentine belt for acc drive...

...or am I crazy? looks roughly the same as mine (BEW w/ 124,000 km).
 
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mrGutWrench

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Spike Strip said:
I've got 52K miles on my '05 BEW Golf (09A auto)... T Belt has cracks in it...

Whaddya all think ?
__. Sorry, Spike, I can't quite make that out but does that photo show cracks running across the teeth on a timing belt? If so, you've got something really strange. My '03 came to me with over 110K miles ("indie" stealer assured me that the belt had been changed; it hadn't); the belt looked just about perfect except that there was a tiny bit of "shiny" wear right on the leading corner of the teeth and a similar bit of wear just off the depth between the teeth. The belt looked fine; this was end of '06 so if the car was made end of '02 ('03 model year) then it was about 4 years old. The problem was that the big idler roller had a lot of grinding in the bearing (the "larger diameter" bearing, new on the '03's).

__. I think of the job as "rebuilding the timing system". You're not just changing the belt, you're dealing with the whole system. *Any* part in that system can take out the valves if it fails -- water pump, rollers, tensioner as well as belt itself.
 

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5 years 8 months, 104,000 miles on an 04 BEW. just had it changed. Water pump had small leak and the belt was worn with cracks, all other parts looked warn out.
 

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Spike Strip,

That "timing belt" looks fine. I'd be more worried about the flux capacitor............

Eric
 

Spike Strip

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5 years 8 months, 104,000 miles on an 04 BEW. just had it changed. Water pump had small leak and the belt was worn with cracks, all other parts looked warn out.
An '04 that's almost 6 yrs old and it's today's post :confused:

Anyway, my TB has about 25K miles on it now and all is good. Replacement was a b**ch though, cuz it was my first time... I can't stress how important it is to use quality parts.

Cheers for the thread dredge!
 
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