Time to sidetrack electric cars and get serious about climate change!

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The dust bowl was several separate drought events, but they started in 1930. Some of the worst dust storms were in '33 and '34. Steinbeck's 'The Grapes of Wrath' gives a great, if not uplifting perspective.
 

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In some cases the drought only lasted that long
I see we are getting tricky with our wording in order to best suit the narrative..?
So in some cases the drought only lasted a year or two, (I thought we were speaking of extreme weather, not drought, but ok) but that would still mean that in other cases, as has been documented, the hot temps lasted for over six years. So there was almost a decade of heat waves, not a couple years.

Now, in regards to the “100 year floods happening every 5 years or so” how do we know that these are 100 year floods? A scientist who only has several hundred years to base his assumptions off of said so? Okay so say we’ve had two floods of a certain magnitude in 200 years, you could say “Look, it’s a 100 year flood!” but if we don’t know how often that kind of flood happened BEFORE those 200 years, it’s all speculation. Who knows what the patterns looked like before that time?
We’ve got at the very least many THOUSANDS of years (by the most conservative of theories, and many many more if we go by the generally accepted theory) of history behind us that we have NO CLUE about, let’s not jump to sky-is-falling conclusions just yet.
 

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1. Arson isn't "climate change". Same thing happened to Oregon in 2020. And yeah, it sucked.
2. CO2 is good. Plants are good. Plants are food!
3. I love my B20! Also love economic freedom! People get hurt whenever the government mandates economic behaviors. For all we know, rail-lining anything that goes over 300 miles might end up wasting fuel. Fun fact, (sorry no link), but all the ocean-going shippers release more "GHG" than all the cars planet-wide combined.
Electrifying mass transit only would help some, but guess what? On top of North America having the cleanest air, ever-cleaner year over year since the 1950's, China doesn't GAF about GHG. Any efforts WE make whith them NOT on board, are IMO meaningless, and even detrimental if they curtail the economic freedom of regular people.
4. Why is there no naturally 3-inch tall lawn grass? Probably been suppressed by big oil! Yes, only half-joking.
5. Any "green" government (or especially globalist "governance"-sponsored) program should be absolutely abolished.
We are in a mini ice age - in ancient times the Earth was MUCH warmer on average.
Thank God for the "GHG" we've got!!!

EVs are a niche product and will remain a niche product. Unless of course the majority of Humans drop dead, and the Davos queefs have their way with Humanity.
EVs would be dead on the vine without government subsidy.
And for Heaven's sake, don't anybody be patting yourself on the back thinking you're "helping" "the environment" with an EV...

gearheadgrrrl, peace be with you. Understand, this is all in bigger hands than the hands of mankind.
no weather like this in recorded history
That's where you're wrong, kiddo.
And let's all not forget:
 

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Conspiracy theories aren't facts, and even stringing together a bunch of them doesn't make them factual. If you understand stats you know that you can pretty reliably predict the likelihood of a once in a hundred year event, even with less than a hundred years observations.
 

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This world has gone thru these cycles so many times before, for thousands of years. Historically, scientifically proven facts. We didn't have the cars and air conditioning yet we had mini ice ages and dust bowls, many different times throughout both recorded AND non recorded history. Cows will always fart, the jet stream will always change... the world IS cyclical. Sure we are presently experiencing excessive heat in the mid west and east coast but guess what the west coast is almost always the opposite. Summer and/or winters. Been a very pleasant spring. Its been that way for years for those that can hear past the deafening alarmist babble. The whole picture is so much more accurate than any isolated individual examples. We are so short term thinkers. How many on this post here can even remember the extreme impact of 911?

To slam someone as a deneigher is usually denial in itself. Just a word that tries to invalidate opposing evidence.

Since for some odd reason gearheadgrrrl suggested I'm pro EV's... to be clear I am NOT ...in any way shape or form an EV advocate. I do own a hybrid simply because it is financially beneficial @.007 a Kwh it is beneficial right now. The end. Yes she is concerned for what she sees, that's a good thing, I applaud her. But the world has not nor will not freeze into a chunk of ice or dry up and blow away, no matter the indocrination.
 
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This world has gone thru these cycles so many times before, for thousands of years. Historically, scientifically proven facts. We didn't have the cars and air conditioning yet we had mini ice ages and dust bowls, many different times throughout both recorded AND non recorded history. Cows will always fart, the jet stream will always change... the world IS cyclical. Sure we are presently experiencing excessive heat in the midwest and east coast but guess what the west coast is almost always the opposite. Summer and/or winters. Been a very pleasant spring. Its been that way for years for those that can hear past the deafening alarmist babble. The whole picture is so much more accurate than any isoolated individual examples. We are so short term thinkers. How many on this post here can even remember the extreem impact of 911?

To slam someone as a deneigher is usually denial in itself. Just a word that tries to invalidate opposing evidence.

Since for some odd reason gearheadgrrrl suggested I'm pro EV's... to be clear I am NOT ...in any way shape or form an EV advocate. I do own a hybrid simply because it is financially beneficial @.007 a Kwh it is beneficial right now. The end. Yes she is concerned for what she sees, thats a good thing, I applaud her. But the world has not nor will not freeze into a chunk of ice or dry up and blow away, no matter the indocrination.
Sorry, your argument fails to explain the phenomena, climate change. What we are seeing is not the slow dragged out over millennia past changes, but a much more rapid change that follows the curve of fossil fuel burning.
 

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That's where you're wrong, kiddo.
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This thread was predestined to be hilarious.
Generally Not following the ol' Harvard narrative?

I'll attempt to behave now, some cant see past much
 
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Sorry, your argument fails to explain the phenomena, climate change. What we are seeing is not the slow dragged out over millennia past changes, but a much more rapid change that follows the curve of fossil fuel burning.
Very true we've most likely brought on negative effects at a faster rate than the past very limited recorded history. although not only are you incorrect in stating all other change was slow. off the top mt. st. Helens, meteor strikes ect. The earth can and WILL correct IF the real focus was as stated China, India ect... The big picture. Its mental masterbation to micro focus on cow farts and extinct unicorns.
 

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This thread is like a big pile of feces, and our local neighborhood green poo-fly brigade, nwdriver, has got to be sniffing around by now, LOL.
Gonna brave this heat and fire up the charcoal BBQ tonight and cook some beef in honor of the absurdity.
:LOL: love it.

ooooh pick me pick me
Since its "general" on this diesel forum lets discuss scary black guns or dead presidents.

You are right grrrl about advancing this thread, Minds are made up either way. Its a joke in the first place. Where is 1854sailer when you need him?
 

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Speaking of absurdity can you explain why a search on your icon only goes back to 3/23. Kinda when mr. diver was getting a naughty boy time out?
 

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Crickets, probably go fire up the ol' 1.6 idi. I'll possibly check in later.
 

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Very few 20th century vehicles left here in the rust belt, and many stations have a pure gas pump set aside for them.
Two quick points, since you took the time to respond to my post:

1. NJ is part of the "rust belt" (though I sometimes think of it as the "salt belt"). Agree the quantities of pre-2001s are low and dropping, but we're not extinct yet.

2. Where are these "pure gas" pumps you speak of, and how does one distinguish them from the others? I don't think I've ever seen one in my travels in NJ or PA, and keep in mind NJ decided some years back to start drinking the "California Kool-Aid" with regards to motor vehicle emissions (yeah, NJ politicians are particularly stupid that way).
 

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climate change. What we are seeing is not the slow dragged out over millennia past changes, but a much more rapid change
Rapid near-term changes are called "weather". "Climate" describes the general state of a particular area. When tropical jungles turn into deserts, you can say the climate has changed. When hurricanes strike Montana instead of Florida, you can say the climate has changed. When Oklahoma turns into a dust bowl, then returns to its previous state 10 years later, you can say it had bad weather for a few years.
 

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Two quick points, since you took the time to respond to my post:

1. NJ is part of the "rust belt" (though I sometimes think of it as the "salt belt"). Agree the quantities of pre-2001s are low and dropping, but we're not extinct yet.

2. Where are these "pure gas" pumps you speak of, and how does one distinguish them from the others? I don't think I've ever seen one in my travels in NJ or PA, and keep in mind NJ decided some years back to start drinking the "California Kool-Aid" with regards to motor vehicle emissions (yeah, NJ politicians are particularly stupid that way).
I didn't see his post only yours. I'm thinking he means ethanol free gasoline. It's referred to as "pure gas" here. Similiar to rec fuel with a lower octane reading. We have both at several stations and rec fuel at all marina pumps in Michigan. Also have a few stations around with leaded gas for racing, you need a can for that though.
 

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All I can say is that I'm glad the Canadian wildfire smoke has avoided Maine all summer so far. It's been a wet summer here- I have the tallest and thickest hay crop I can remember.
 

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Two quick points, since you took the time to respond to my post:

1. NJ is part of the "rust belt" (though I sometimes think of it as the "salt belt"). Agree the quantities of pre-2001s are low and dropping, but we're not extinct yet.

2. Where are these "pure gas" pumps you speak of, and how does one distinguish them from the others? I don't think I've ever seen one in my travels in NJ or PA, and keep in mind NJ decided some years back to start drinking the "California Kool-Aid" with regards to motor vehicle emissions (yeah, NJ politicians are particularly stupid that way).
You don't have to look gard to find regular gas at pumps in PA. Quite a few sheetz arw pulling the e85 and replacing it with the equivalent of mid grade straight gas, @$1.00 premium over high test.(give or take.) There are quite a few other stations within a half hour drive from me that have it as well.
As to the pre 2000 cars, I see plenty of them on the road daily, heck there are a handful of mid 80's vehicles that guys drive here at work daily. Can't kill the k-cars I guess...I'd wager a guess most arnt going anywhere anytime soon either. Heck, my newest car is an 08 and just gets older from there. No real want or need ro get anything newer either. If south east pa isn't in part of the rust belt, we're surly the buckle. They basically paint the roads white with salt everyone it snows.
 

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I know Pennsylvania rivals Michigan in potholes, I hit one at 3am during a hard rain. But can you cure meat and fish by just swiping it across the asphalt like we do?
 

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I know Pennsylvania rivals Michigan in potholes, I hit one at 3am during a hard rain. But can you cure meat and fish by just swiping it across the asphalt like we do?
Pot holes, we have unlimited potholes... yep, cure meat to the point it will never rot. Even the short Stent I had working for a local township, a normal salt run put close to 60 tons of salt in 65 miles of road. That's just salting once, not counting pre treatment (salt brine) or having to go out and hit bad areas/bridges/ice patches. Pendot puts salt down at a much higher rate then we did. Really people just need to learn how to drive, or better yet just stay off the road during a snow event. But nope, they want to drive right now and want clear roads yesterday. So salt is needed to provide that. We did have another township start using sugar beet juice. Worked great, non corrosive but a but expensive and goes down in a liquid form, so needs tanks/pumps/spray bars to apply.
 

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I worked heavy side of fleet maintenance 2nd shift for the city of GR. They would pack trucks with the loader bucket then haul ass out of the parking lot dumping a💩 load out in front of the shop. Probably never freeze there again. I think all the sewers I helped replace in the ‘90’s should be starting to crumble with all the salt they dump.
 

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I worked heavy side of fleet maintenance 2nd shift for the city of GR. They would pack trucks with the loader bucket then haul ass out of the parking lot dumping a💩 load out in front of the shop. Probably never freeze there again. I think all the sewers I helped replace in the ‘90’s should be starting to crumble with all the salt they dump.
Yep, you know how it is then lol.
 

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Severe weather has always brought out doom prognosticators since the beginning of time. Everyone wants to blame bad weather, plagues, disease, famine on something and today it's 'climate change'. Show me one accurate temperature forecast in the past 50 years....? Now pollution (not carbon which is plant food) has real health consequences but that's not what is being discussed. Sigh
 

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Yeah I’ve never known any of the climate alarmist prophets to be correct in their predictions of the world ending. Weren’t the coastlines supposed to be all underwater and sea levels through the roof by now? I mean, we can still see Liberty Island, there’s no reason to be panicking like this and causing more problems.
 

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Yeah I’ve never known any of the climate change prophets to be correct in their predictions of the world ending. Weren’t the coastlines supposed to be all underwater and sea levels through the roof by now? I mean, we can still see Liberty Island, there’s no reason to be panicking like this and causing more problems.
I wish it happened, I'd have beach front property now.....
 
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