Thinking about another VW

[budtoh3zo]

Well in the next year im thinking of picking up a new personal unit for myself. I have been debating between a half ton and a car. Finally decided on a car since i can just use one of my other trucks if i need one. My first VW jetta served me well for years and about 360,000 km it was a 93 i beleve.

So on to my questions now. How have they been for reliability? What kind of emmision equiptment do they have? My 2008 F-350 I could not keep it stock the DPF and EGR gave me none stop problems so i gave up and tuned it and threw the DPF in the garage.

 

[NickBeek]

Only 2800 miles on mine so far. The only problem I have had is a couple of long crank times that I have attributed to a tank of questionable fuel. You can see my economy below in my fuelly, plenty of pep for the size engine. I am pleased thus far.

BTW, talking about deletes around here is forbidden, unless it is about EGR. I don't understand the reasoning there, but abide by the rules non the less.

 

[budtoh3zo]

Thanks for the heads up, I wasnt looking at deleting just wondering if they are DPF and scr equiped and relibility as my point was i had no choice on the ford, I rather keep the warrenty till its over. sorry for the confusion not looking to delete

 

[Max Period]

The emissions system on the 2009 and later Golf, Jetta and Audi A3 are as follows:

DOC -> DPF -> NOx storage converter -> H2S converter
with 2 stage EGR (high pressure and low pressure)

So far after 6200 km with mostly Toronto city driving with some highway, I haven't encountered any problems with my emissions system yet.

(My cousin is studying diesel emission systems for his masters of mechanical engineering research)

 

[Derrel H Green]

Just Do It

Well in the next year I'm thinking of picking up a new personal unit for myself.

So on to my questions now. How have they been for reliability?
What kind of emission equipment do they have?
My 2008 F-350 I could not keep it stock the DPF and EGR gave me none stop
problems so I gave up and tuned it and threw the DPF in the garage.

No problems whatsoever, and in another ten days, it will have been
in service for one year. It will have a little over 24 K miles by then!

Do you have smog checks up North? 'Cause if you don't, you might be able
to do the same thing with any new TDI as you have done with your truck.

But that is not at all necessary and frowned upon big time here on this forum.

So forget that! Get any TDI and even though you do have better fuel up North than
we have down South of the 49th, a little additive would not hurt at all!

Other than that, and an additive may not be at all necessary, how can you go wrong?

I know that we could not be happier with ours, so just do it, and enjoy!



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[budtoh3zo]

Thanks for the info guys. We have no testing in alberta yet. But if you do that then warrenty is voided fast. and its a pain to put back to stock everytime it has to go in. but with the pick up bc of the issues my dealer allowed me to do it and keep my warrenty, but its over now anyways so its no worries.

Also can you tell when there in a active regens?

H2S converter? never heard of that before. I did finally find some info on it and do like how they do the EGR system pulling the exsust gas from after the dpf so shouldnt be much for soot loading and sticking.

 

[NickBeek]

I can tell when in active regen when I come to a stop. The idle will stay slightly elevated and the engine cooling fans are on full tilt. I think I even saw an active regen while cruising the other day. I have a Scan Gauge II and I noticed normal cruise the water temp stays between 193 and 195. It got up to about 200 and the fuel economy started to fall off for a few minutes then everything went back to normal. This was on flat ground and at a steady speed of about 60 mph.

 

[clanburrows]

looking over a 2013 tdi Jetta

thinking of making a offer on this one with 6 sp manual 49000 miles what do you think

 

[redtdi966]

Diesel?? why gas is cheap? gas engines are reliable and more simple design

Also the diesel potential cost of ownership is scary: HPFP fails (takes out fuel delivery comps), turbo, particulate filter, two cat converters, exhaust pipe valve... and all the sensors to make this work. I could go on, but the diesel is dead in USA with the latest VW debacle.

BTW I loved my 2009 tdi but saw the writing on the wall.... engineering too complex


author was asking advice on buying a tdi I gave him mine they are great call until a mechanical fail

 

[smackYYZ]

Diesel?? why gas is cheap? gas engines are reliable and more simple design

Also the diesel potential cost of ownership is scary: HPFP fails (takes out fuel delivery comps), turbo, particulate filter, two cat converters, exhaust pipe valve... and all the sensors to make this work. I could go on, but the diesel is dead in USA with the latest VW debacle.

BTW I loved my 2009 tdi but saw the writing on the wall.... engineering too complex

author was asking advice on buying a tdi I gave him mine they are great call until a mechanical fail

I will agree with you to a point. Here in Canada diesel is cheaper than gas or about the same, not like in the US where the states heavily tax diesel to get $ from truckers.

I have a 2011, and would agree that they are now getting very complex. Mine has been in the shop now for 47 days and they still can not figure out what the issue is. I think the issue is related to the complexity of the DSG transmission and how all the systems are inter dependent.

I've got just over 134,000 km on mine. My issue is a rare one and it looks like they are going to have to do a buyback on it. That being said, I still want another TDI, but this time with a manual. I love the mileage I get on long haul trips. Driving to Florida keeping the cruise control set to 120-125kmh I get about 940km/tank. If I drop the speed I can get over 1000. The other issue with the DSG is the service cost, every 40,000km you need it serviced and it costs about $400 each time at the dealer.

 

[redbarron55]

I will agree with you to a point. Here in Canada diesel is cheaper than gas or about the same, not like in the US where the states heavily tax diesel to get $ from truckers.
I have a 2011, and would agree that they are now getting very complex. Mine has been in the shop now for 47 days and they still can not figure out what the issue is. I think the issue is related to the complexity of the DSG transmission and how all the systems are inter dependent.
I've got just over 134,000 km on mine. My issue is a rare one and it looks like they are going to have to do a buyback on it. That being said, I still want another TDI, but this time with a manual. I love the mileage I get on long haul trips. Driving to Florida keeping the cruise control set to 120-125kmh I get about 940km/tank. If I drop the speed I can get over 1000. The other issue with the DSG is the service cost, every 40,000km you need it serviced and it costs about $400 each time at the dealer.

The heavily taxed Diesel for getting money from truckers is covered by tax rebated for the long haul guys. This is to keep the prices high for the regular consumers.

 

[jcart]

2015's (Jetta) has DEF additive to aid in meeting emissions.... Pending how Dieselgate shakes out this maybe a model to look at. The 6 speed is a nice option, we test drove the DCS and it was nice too but I wanted something less complex, with lower maintanence cost. Only had it since Sept 18 and now with 8k Kms on it at this point. Was able to get the adaptive headlights and sport package (different springs) with the 6M tranny. Really like the headlights, they steer around corners and vertically adjust with load in car, provide very nice light for stock light system.

jrc

 

[nutfinn]

I bought my 1st VW in 2000 Passat 2.8 V6, my 2nd 2012 Jetta Tdi. There will not be a 3rd one

 

[BrShootr]

60k miles on mine. Flawlessly so far. As others said, these cars are complex but then again every modern car is. Drive more, worry less.


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[bubbagumpshrimp]

40k here and no issues. Well....other than me wearing through the monster mats (under the clutch), lol.

 

[turbobrick240]

I'd say if you go for a commonrail tdi, get a manual trans., and take a similar path as you did with your powerstroke. I don't think deletes are quite as verboten here as some suggest.

 

[07ktm250xc]

We have 50,000 miles on our 2014 DSG. LOTS of towing in WV and Colorado mountains.
We tow our dirt bikes and dual sports everywhere with this car. I also have a lead foot and use the thing at autocross days. Not a single problem so far. I do my own maintenance so those costs are low. If you can do your own maintenance and most repairs these cars are reliable..if not..well..I'd say go with a gas.

Edit...Just noticed the OP was from 2011..LOL

 

[STLvwConvert]

To answer clanburrows direct question I would pose the following:

1. Reliability - diesel engines in themselves are known to accumulate more mileage than a gasoline engine and wear better over the course of time, initial break-ins of engines are usually in the 50-100k mileage range before really seeing the benefits. The question I would pose to you is how long to you plan to keep said purchased TDI? How many miles do you normally drive annually?

2. Cost - Can you get a good deal on the initial purchase of this model? I assume with the recent dieselgate you have some negotiating leverage as not everyone will be lining up to purchase one at this time. Assuming that most of the initial depreciation has occurred (usually the first 3 years have the most depreciation) you should be able to have a purchase price to offset some of the initial costs of buying a diesel.

3. Maintenance - first and foremost has the car been maintained religiously? TDIs respond well to being well looked after. The 120k timing belt changes and higher maintenance schedule make for a more expensive upkeep than a lot of other manufacturers, so you can draw your own conclusions on this. Personally I don't mind spending a little more on a vehicle that serves it purpose for me (I annually drive 25-30,000 miles)

4. Emmissions scandal - this would be my only hesitation as we do not all know what VW will require or the government may ordered to be changed. I for one do not want my ECU reprogrammed and in result worsens my fuel economy, that was one of the main reasons for spending the extra money on the TDI. In the meantime with already owning one, I'm just driving more and worrying less unlike some.

For a better analysis if the TDI is for you I'd put together a Pro's and Con's list of criteria that is important to you, then seeing where the vehicle falls and base your decision off that. Personally for me it was the perfect blend of excellent fuel mileage, a fun to drive vehicle, and so far I haven't regretted my decision once. Currently my 2012 is over 103k miles and after my HPFP warranty is out at 120k I will be making some performance modifications that will also increase mileage.