The Bluetooth debate comes to an end! Hello 9W7!

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Mr. Timewise said:
I paid approximately $480 including shipping for the 9W7. I got it from a VW dealer who gives VW employee prices to forum members. List price is $625, IIRC. (snip)
So is the module (aforementioned module: part 7P6 035 730 C) the only thing needed to be changed out on, for example, a 2010 Golf that has a 9W2 currently?
 

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If your 2010 Golf comes with the highline MFD+ and MFSW, the change to a 9W7 should be as simple as replacing the 9W2 (and possibly re-coding the steering wheel).

If your white cluster display shows the car door open silhouette, you've got the highline MFD+; if not, you've got the lo-line MFD display.

YMMV
 
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Mr. Timewise said:
If your 2010 Golf comes with the highline MFD+ and MFSW, the change to a 9W7 should be as simple as replacing the 9W2 (and possibly re-coding the steering wheel).

YMMV
We too were quite surprised to find the lack of voice control and phonebook upload capabilities when we 'almost' took delivery of our 2010 Jetta Sportwagen TDI.

If we have VW put in the 9W7 unit to replace the 9W2, then will we have those two features (we have the RNS-510 navigation system)? Also, do you know if the overhead controls work with the 9W7 / JSW TDI combo? That would be killer. I know there aren't any in the sedan.

Our local dealer seems hesitant to do the work, and instead is trying to have a third-party installer do it - any idea why that would be?

With the 9W7 unit, will there still be recoding to do of the RNS-510 navigation system and the steering wheel?

thanks for the info so far - it's been a breath of fresh air
 

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I have a 2010 Golf with rcd510. I wonder how the 9w7 will work with it. I think I will order one from my dealer soon. Will the phone book show up on the rcd510 with a 9w7? Will I get voice commands and voice calling. Will I be able to play pandora and make calls with the new iphone4? Inquiring minds want to know.
 

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mtbr297 said:
I have a 2010 Golf with rcd510. I wonder how the 9w7 will work with it. I think I will order one from my dealer soon. Will the phone book show up on the rcd510 with a 9w7? Will I get voice commands and voice calling. Will I be able to play pandora and make calls with the new iphone4? Inquiring minds want to know.
Make that two inquiring minds. :D Same setup here.
 

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The overhead controls that were operational with the 9W2 will no longer function with the 9W7 (or 9W3). The amber/red/green light will no longer illuminate. The steering wheel buttons take over the functions of the overhead buttons. (There is, of course, the possibility that someone will figure out how to get the overhead lights to work again. This is purely conjecture on my part, but perhaps it might be enabled with re-coding of the 9W7 when the coding is figured out. Ross-Tech at this time has yet to be informed of the coding structure for the 9W7.)

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Edited 6/10/2010:

NEWS FLASH!

OK...so I thought I'd try something that I've always assumed will not work. The buttons overhead which activated the 9W2 bluetooth system do not function with a 9W3 module and I therefore assumed they would not function with the 9W7. WRONG! Yes, I've been wrong all along. The buttons work just as they did with the 9W2! Activate, mute, on/off handsfree, and the hang-up function all work using the overhead buttons just as they did when the 9W2 BT module was in the car.

The only thing in the overhead phone control panel that does not function is the amber/green/red light.

Therefore you don't even need a MFSW to work the 9W7 system. The voice commands can be activated upon pressing the microphone button overhead.

This is big news for some people.

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FYI...with the voice commands you can tell the 9W7 to make itself "visible for 3 minutes" so you can (re)link to a new bluetooth device even after the ignition has been on for awhile.

I needed to re-code my steering wheel (to 0001831) to include the PTT (Push-To-Talk)...but that feature may already be coded in your car.

I didn't change a thing in my RNS-510 after the 9W7 replaced the 9W2.

The dealer likely just doesn't know what is involved in the installation. This was the simplest installation I have ever done.

Sorry...I have no knowledge of the 9W7/RCD-510 interplay, however I'd guess that any interplay that applies to the 9W3 is likely applicable to the 9W7. You might check the owner's manual for the RCD-510. (After I installed the RNS-510 in place of the RCD-510 originally in my Jetta, I sold the RCD-510 and its manual so I cannot read about the RCD-510 display features.)
 
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FYI...

The voice commands for the 9W7 are just a bit more sophisticated than those of the 9W3. The 9W7 can read your typed phonebook entries and compare your spoken words to its interpretation of the typed words in your phonebook. Or you can make your own voice tags for a phonebook entry via the MFD+. And the 9W7 can speak your phonebook entries with its "Text to Speech" abilities.

The "Voice Recognition" and "Text to Speech" functions work quite well, although there is one odd anomaly which VW should be embarrassed to have let through their quality control...

When the 9W7 speaks the work "Phone" it says, "Phon-ae." So "Phonebook" or "phone book" becomes, "Phon-ae-book."

Now you'd think that of all the words they'd check for proper interpretation, that one word would be correct! This applies to both a word in your phonebook and to the word "phonebook" in the help menu which the system speaks upon your request.

I have the entry "Home Phone" in my phonebook. The 9W7 speaks this as, "Home Phon-ae." Yet a phonebook entry I have for the name "Hope" is pronounced correctly. And "Home" is spoken correctly.
 
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Mike_M said:
Make that two inquiring minds. :D Same setup here.
The RCD-510 has NO on-screen interaction with any of the BT modules, save for possibly a phone icon popping up on the screen when you place or receive a call.

You should be able to have voice command. Depending on the wiring situation in your car, and I haven't confirmed this with anything but my '09, the wiring from the BT module may not be stereo, it may be mono only. To receive full stereo audio, you may need to add wiring from the BT module to get stereo sound. (Just because you are getting audio out of all four speakers does not necessarily mean that it's in stereo either..)
 

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Mr. Timewise said:
The overhead controls that were operational with the 9W2 will no longer function with the 9W7. The amber/red/green light will no longer illuminate. The steering wheel buttons take over the functions of the overhead buttons. (There is, of course, the possibility that someone will figure out how to get the overhead lights to work again. This is purely conjecture on my part, but perhaps it might be enabled with re-coding of the 9W7 when the coding is figured out. Ross-Tech at this time has yet to be informed of the coding structure for the 9W7.)

I needed to re-code my steering wheel (to 0001831) to include the PTT (Push-To-Talk)...but that feature may already be coded in your car.

I didn't change a thing in my RNS-510 after the 9W7 replaced the 9W2.

The dealer likely just doesn't know what is involved in the installation. This was the simplest installation I have ever done.
Thanks - the dealers in California seem to have an official line: "we only replace one part with the identical part"

Good news about the RNS-510 not needing recoding

Was your steering wheel factory, or did you add it later?

Have you ever tried the "British" voice? Maybe she pronounces "phone" differently. :)

So, overall, this is a worthwhile improvement over 9W2, and worth the wait over 9W3 (if supply is currently low, being a "new" part and all)?
 

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I removed the original non-MFSW from my 2010 Jetta SE and replaced it with a MFSW w/ paddle shifters from a 2009 Passat CC. I also replaced the original Steering Wheel Control Module (SWCM) with a 1K0-953-549-CD (it was a 1K0-953-549-CP). Which SWCM you use depends on your vehicle - the dealer can look this up in ETKA.

The paddles work, BTW, shifting the Tiptronic just as described in the manual. But keep in mind that the MFSW came from a 2009 Passat CC which had Tiptronic, not DSG. Then again, this may be irrelevant.

I haven't tried the "UK English". That's a good idea!

EDIT 7/1/2010...Yes, the UK English speaking voice does say "Phone" and "Phonebook" correctly...both when the words are in my phonebook and when reading the system's own Help menu. But interestingly, many other words are pronounce oddly. For example, my spouse's name is "Sheila" and the US English pronunciation of that word is just fine. But the UK pronunciation is almost unintelligible.
Providing your phone can link its phonebook to the NAV system and/or the MFD+ it is worth the upgrade. If the phone's bluetooth set-up won't do this (my spouse's TracFone won't...they locked out the feature) then you only gain PTT via the MFSW, voice commands, and the ability to speak a telephone number. Such a crippled bluetooth phone/music player will not allow music streaming via A2DP or phonebook download to the RNS-510 or MFD+. You do get handsfree dialing and conversation.

If you do have the RNS-510 an "EXTRAS" pop-up menu lets you mute your end of the conversation and/or switch in and out of handsfree mode to give you more privacy. The MFSW buttons allows you to switch in and out of handsfree mode, too. The EXTRAS menu on the RNS-510 also has a selection for "Conference Details" that apparently lets you use your phone's conference call capabilities while displaying some info on the RNS-510...perhaps dropping one or the other of the calls. I haven't tried this feature.

Within the RNS-510, each linked/paired phone is given its own 6 memory directory. You put these phone numbers and names in the RNS-510 manually or read them from your phonebook. One of the memory locations is taken from the linked phone, if possible...it's called "Mobile Box" and appears to default to your phone's "Voicemail" by name, but you can change the number. You cannot, however, change the name showing on the RNS-510's 6 memory screen from the default "Mobile Box". The system automatically brings up the specific memory group of 6 depending on which phone is currently linked to the system. Up to 4 phones can be paired, but only one is linked at a time.

The dealers simply have to order the part. They'll never stock it. I ordered mine from Keffer VW in North Carolina on 4/29/2010. It took four weeks to arrive and 3 - 5 minutes to install. The dealer had no previous experience with the part number until I asked them to get the part.
 
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I believe your inquiry was already answered in the posts above...

dzcad90 said:
The RCD-510 has NO on-screen interaction with any of the BT modules, save for possibly a phone icon popping up on the screen when you place or receive a call.

You should be able to have voice command. Depending on the wiring situation in your car, and I haven't confirmed this with anything but my '09, the wiring from the BT module may not be stereo, it may be mono only. To receive full stereo audio, you may need to add wiring from the BT module to get stereo sound. (Just because you are getting audio out of all four speakers does not necessarily mean that it's in stereo either..)
Mr. Timewise said:
The overhead controls that were operational with the 9W2 will no longer function with the 9W7 (or 9W3) [Edit...see later post...the buttons DO work.] The amber/red/green light will no longer illuminate. The steering wheel buttons take over the functions of the overhead buttons. (There is, of course, the possibility that someone will figure out how to get the overhead lights to work again. This is purely conjecture on my part, but perhaps it might be enabled with re-coding of the 9W7 when the coding is figured out. Ross-Tech at this time has yet to be informed of the coding structure for the 9W7.)

FYI...with the voice commands you can tell the 9W7 to make itself "visible for 3 minutes" so you can (re)link to a new bluetooth device even after the ignition has been on for awhile.

I needed to re-code my steering wheel (to 0001831) to include the PTT (Push-To-Talk)...but that feature may already be coded in your car...
 
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Mr. Timewise said:
I removed the original non-MFSW from my 2010 Jetta SE and replaced it with a MFSW w/ paddle shifters from a 2009 Passat CC. I also replaced the original Steering Wheel Control Module (SWCM) with a 1K0-953-549-CD (it was a 1K0-953-549-CP). Which SWCM you use depends on your vehicle - the dealer can look this up in ETKA.

The dealers simply have to order the part. They'll never stock it. I ordered mine from Keffer VW in North Carolina on 4/29/2010. It took four weeks to arrive and 3 - 5 minutes to install. The dealer had no previous experience with the part number until I asked them to get the part.
I shouldn't need a different SWCM than the one that came stock with the original 9W2, should I (2010 JSW TDI)? If so, more research on my part. I like the paddle shifter idea - very fun :). Let me know if you try the UK voice. Lastly - and this is my internal paranoia speaking; there's "no way" that this DOESN'T work, correct?
 

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First...I finally tried linking the 9W7 to an iPhone 3G and had no problem at all. The phonebook downloaded automatically. Although the iPhone did have music storage capabilities, the owner of the phone had not stored anything. As a result I was unable to try the A2DP music streaming.

If your MFSW has a microphone button you're all set.

Or if you have an RNS-510 and no MFSW you're all set.

I don't recall enough about the RCD-510 to state whether it has touch screen phone activation capabilities. Even if a RCD-510 cannot activate the 9W2, I still do not know if it can or cannot activate the 9W7.

NEWS FLASH! OK...so I thought I'd try something that I've always known will not work. The buttons overhead which activated the 9W2 bluetooth system are not supposed to function with the 9W7 installed. WRONG! Yes, I've been wrong all along. All the buttons work just as they did with the 9W2! Activate, mute, on/off handsfree, hang-up, "make BT visible" all function just as they did when the 9W2 was in the car.

Therefore you don't even need a MFSW to work the 9W7 system. The voice commands are activated upon pressing the microphone button overhead (if you've got them from the 9W2 set-up).

The only thing in the overhead phone control panel that does not function is the amber/green/red light.

I've go to go back and correct my earlier postings which mentioned that the overhead buttons do not function once the 9W7 is installed.

This is big news for some people.

Therefore, I see no reason why the 9W7 will not function in any vehicle which had a 9W2. All the wiring is already present and the microphone and speakers are already set-up to allow communication.
 
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Mr. Timewise said:
First...I finally tried linking the 9W7 to an iPhone 3G and had no problem at all. The phonebook downloaded automatically. Although the iPhone did have music storage capabilities, the owner of the phone had not stored anything. As a result I was unable to try the A2DP music streaming.

If your MFSW has a microphone button you're all set.

Or if you have an RNS-510 and no MFSW you're all set.

I don't recall enough about the RCD-510 to state whether it has touch screen phone activation capabilities. If a RCD-510 cannot activate the 9W2, then it cannot activate the 9W7.

NEWS FLASH! OK...so I thought I'd try something that I've always known will not work. The buttons overhead which activated the 9W2 bluetooth system are not supposed to function with the 9W7 installed. WRONG! Yes, I've been wrong all along. All the buttons work just as they did with the 9W2! Activate, mute, on/off handsfree, hang-up, "make BT visible" all function just as they did when the 9W2 was in the car.

Therefore you don't even need a MFSW to work the 9W7 system. The voice commands are activated upon pressing the microphone button overhead (if you've still got them from the 9W2 set-up).

The only thing in the overhead phone control panel that does not function is the amber/green/red light.

I've go to go back and correct my earlier postings which mentioned that the overhead buttons do not function once the 9W7 is installed.

This is big news for some people.

Therefore, I see no reason why the 9W7 will not function in a vehicle which had a 9W2. All the wiring is already present and the microphone and speakers are already set-up to allow communication.
That's a seriously good news flash! Let me know when you try "British" speak.
Oh, I forgot - what software/USB/OBD cable setup are you using? Are the cables really $300!?
 
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I use a VCDS cable that works with CAN bus and the earlier Dual-K system, as well as the VCDS software.
usb or serial? If I am purchasing one, all I need to know is that it interfaces with CAN bus?
 

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Too bad the light in the overhead doesn't work, since that seems to be the only way to tell if your phone paired (it doesn't always -- gotta love bluetooth).

When using your paired iPhone does the stupid freaking radio still prompt you if you want to use BlueTooth audio every freakin time the iPhone makes a noise? My paired phone always wants to send its audio to the bluetooth in the car. which I don't want, since I don't often listen to stuff on it.

Oh, also, all it takes is any audio app (Last.fm, Pandora, any game...) to send audio to the radio ... you don't need music files on the phone.
 

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Pelican18TQA4 said:
So other than the MFD menu changes and the A2DP capability, it doesn't seem too different from the 9W3 in my car. It is nice that you can initiate voice tags and such right from the MFD, but you can do the same from the voice commands on the 9W3.
so have you installed 9W7 in your car? any coding issues?
 

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so have you installed 9W7 in your car? any coding issues?
I assuming you're asking me, not Pelican18TQA4, because he says he's got a 9W3 installed.

After I installed a 9W7 in place of the original 9W2 that was supplied with my car, there was no coding involved other than enabling a multi-function steering wheel's PTT (push-to-talk) feature.

Off topic: I saw on another thread that you asked about installing a Homelink sun visor. I did this using one I bought via eBay. Check out item 250650092838. And item 190402556774 includes the passenger side extendable sun visor for only a few bucks more.
 
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Mr. Timewise said:
I assuming you're asking me, not Pelican18TQA4, because he says he's got a 9W3 installed.

After I installed a 9W7 in place of the original 9W2 that was supplied with my car, there was no coding involved other than enabling a multi-function steering wheel's PTT (push-to-talk) feature.

Off topic: I saw on another thread that you asked about installing a Homelink sun visor. I did this using one I bought via eBay. Check out item 250650092838. And item 190402556774 includes the passenger side extendable sun visor for only a few bucks more.
Haha - yeah, I was talking to Pelican - it looked like he had also installed the 9W7 - must have misread his post. Thanks for the coding info, as I don't want my Vagcom guy to do more than he needs to (the 9W7 will be a first for him, but he has other install experience). I'll let him know about the push-to-talk feature. You posted that coding info earlier I think, didn't you?
thanks for the Homelink thread. I have one on my Mazda 3, and can't imagine why ALL manufacturers don't make this a safety feature option.
Was there any complex wiring, or is the sun visor battery and wireless driven?
 
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Mr. Timewise said:
If your 2010 Golf comes with the highline MFD+ and MFSW, the change to a 9W7 should be as simple as replacing the 9W2 (and possibly re-coding the steering wheel).

If your white cluster display shows the car door open silhouette, you've got the highline MFD+; if not, you've got the lo-line MFD display.

YMMV
I found a dealer who is going to do this, but when talking to them, they seem a little unsure.

Do you have the codes for the steering wheel, as this is so new they likely do not. My car is a stock 2010 JSW TDI with Nav.

Also, you mentioned the unit was plug-and-play with a RNS-510, which is what I have. However, I do not know the version of the unit I have. Is there also coding that would match the 9W7-C to the RNS-510?

thanks
 

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askaVWsalesGuy said:
VW has just updated the order guides with a new option: 9W7 Voice‐controlled Bluetooth w/ audio streaming and phonebook download.


More at 11
do you have any coding info that would be useful if I am dropping this into a 2010 JSW TDI with nav?
 

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The RNS-510 is not recoded after a 9W7 replaces a 9W2...unless the RNS-510 was coded wrong in the first place.

Your MFSW might have to be re-coded. Actually, it is the Steering Wheel Control Module (SWCM) that is re-coded. The steering wheel itself is not re-coded, even though everyone talks about coding the steering wheel.

If the SWCM does need re-coding the only thing that would change is to properly code the microphone/PTT (Push-To-Talk) button. The PTT button needs to activate the voice control and mute the radio, not just mute the radio. Here's a list of steering wheel control module codes from Ross-Tech that should apply to your car: (copied from http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index.php/VW_Golf_%281K%29_Steering_Wheel#Coding )

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The following table applies to [Steering Wheel] Control Modules [address -16] with Software Version 0110 or higher.
  • 0?xxxxx: Driver-Assistance-Systems
    • 0 = Driver-Assistance-Systems not installed
    • 0 = Message for Driver-Assistance-Systems active w/o Button
    • 1 = Message for Driver-Assistance-Systems inactive w/o Button
    • 2 = Message for Driver-Assistance-Systems active with Button
    • 3 = Message for Driver-Assistance-Systems inactive with Button
  • 0x?xxxx: Vehicle Type
    • 0 = Normal
    • 1 = Special Purpose with Multi-Function Control Module (Steer. Column. Contr. Mod. as Master)
    • 2 = Special Purpose with Multi-Function Control Module (Multi-Function Contr. Mod. as Master)
  • 0xx?xxx: Transmission
    • 0 = Manual Transmission
    • 1 = Automatic Transmission
  • 0xxx?xx: Multi-Function Steering Wheel
    • 0 = Multi-Function Steering Wheel not installed
    • 5 = Multi-Function Steering Wheel w/o Tiptronic and w/o Push-To-Talk (PTT) installed
    • 6 = Multi-Function Steering Wheel with Tiptronic and no Push-To-Talk (PTT) installed
    • 7 = Multi-Function Steering Wheel w/o Tiptronic and with Push-To-Talk (PTT) installed
    • 8 = Multi-Function Steering Wheel with Tiptronic and with Push-To-Talk (PTT) installed
  • 0xxxx?x: Cruise Control System (CCS) and Adaptive Cruise Control (ACC)
    • 0 = Cruise Control System (CCS) not installed
    • 1 = Cruise Control System (CCS) with 6 Positions via separate Stalk installed
    • 2 = Adaptive Cruise Control (ACC) with 6 Positions via separate Stalk installed
    • 3 = Cruise Control System (CCS) with 4 Positions via Blinker Stallk installed
    • 4 = Cruise Control System (CCS) via Multi-Function Steering Wheel installed
    • 5 = Adaptive Cruise Control (ACC) via Multi-Function Steering Wheel installed
  • 0xxxxx?: Rear Wiper and Board Computer
    • 1 = Rear Wiper not installed / Board Computer via Wiper Stalk not installed
    • 2 = Rear Wiper installed / Board Computer via Wiper Stalk not installed
    • 3 = Rear Wiper not installed / Board Computer via Wiper Stalk installed
    • 4 = Rear Wiper installed / Board Computer via Wiper Stalk installed
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Make a copy of this post and show the dealer. If they read this they better be able to figure it out!

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BTW...
Here's the coding for my 1K0 953 549 CD SWCM. Your Golf may have a different SWCM, but the coding above still applies unless it has older software (unlikely). My SWCM came from a 2008 Golf with a CBD 2.0 TDI engine.

I have paddles on my MFSW. If I did not have paddles the code would be 0001731. The code in my SWCM had been 0001631 before I switched from the 9W2 to the 9W7. (The 9W2 might have responded to the PTT button had I tried coding 0001831 before installing the 9W7. It is possible that your SWCM may already be coded to activate the 9W2 via the microphone (PTT) button.)

Address 16: Steering wheel Labels: 1K0-953-549-MY9.lbl
Part No SW: 1K0 953 549 CD HW: 1K0 953 549 CD
Component: J0527 054 0110 <--- software version
Coding: 0001831
Shop #: WSC 00056 555 39890

Part No: 3C8 959 537
Component: E221__MFL-TAP H2ÿ 0021
Coding: 00000227
Shop #: WSC 00000

No fault code found.

 
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Mr. Timewise said:
The RNS-510 is not recoded after a 9W7 replaces a 9W2...unless the RNS-510 was coded wrong in the first place.

Your MFSW might have to be re-coded. Actually, it is the Steering Wheel Control Module (SWCM) that is re-coded. The steering wheel itself is not re-coded, even though everyone talks about coding the steering wheel.

If the SWCM does need re-coding the only thing that would change is to properly code the microphone/PTT (Push-To-Talk) button. The PTT button needs to activate the voice control and mute the radio, not just mute the radio. Here's a list of steering wheel control module codes from Ross-Tech that should apply to your car: (copied from http://wiki.ross-tech.com/wiki/index.php/VW_Golf_%281K%29_Steering_Wheel#Coding )

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The following table applies to [Steering Wheel] Control Modules [address -16] with Software Version 0110 or higher.
  • 0?xxxxx: Driver-Assistance-Systems
    • 0 = Driver-Assistance-Systems not installed
    • 0 = Message for Driver-Assistance-Systems active w/o Button
    • 1 = Message for Driver-Assistance-Systems inactive w/o Button
    • 2 = Message for Driver-Assistance-Systems active with Button
    • 3 = Message for Driver-Assistance-Systems inactive with Button
  • 0x?xxxx: Vehicle Type
    • 0 = Normal
    • 1 = Special Purpose with Multi-Function Control Module (Steer. Column. Contr. Mod. as Master)
    • 2 = Special Purpose with Multi-Function Control Module (Multi-Function Contr. Mod. as Master)
  • 0xx?xxx: Transmission
    • 0 = Manual Transmission
    • 1 = Automatic Transmission
  • 0xxx?xx: Multi-Function Steering Wheel
    • 0 = Multi-Function Steering Wheel not installed
    • 5 = Multi-Function Steering Wheel w/o Tiptronic and w/o Push-To-Talk (PTT) installed
    • 6 = Multi-Function Steering Wheel with Tiptronic and no Push-To-Talk (PTT) installed
    • 7 = Multi-Function Steering Wheel w/o Tiptronic and with Push-To-Talk (PTT) installed
    • 8 = Multi-Function Steering Wheel with Tiptronic and with Push-To-Talk (PTT) installed
  • 0xxxx?x: Cruise Control System (CCS) and Adaptive Cruise Control (ACC)
    • 0 = Cruise Control System (CCS) not installed
    • 1 = Cruise Control System (CCS) with 6 Positions via separate Stalk installed
    • 2 = Adaptive Cruise Control (ACC) with 6 Positions via separate Stalk installed
    • 3 = Cruise Control System (CCS) with 4 Positions via Blinker Stallk installed
    • 4 = Cruise Control System (CCS) via Multi-Function Steering Wheel installed
    • 5 = Adaptive Cruise Control (ACC) via Multi-Function Steering Wheel installed
  • 0xxxxx?: Rear Wiper and Board Computer
    • 1 = Rear Wiper not installed / Board Computer via Wiper Stalk not installed
    • 2 = Rear Wiper installed / Board Computer via Wiper Stalk not installed
    • 3 = Rear Wiper not installed / Board Computer via Wiper Stalk installed
    • 4 = Rear Wiper installed / Board Computer via Wiper Stalk installed
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Make a copy of this post and show the dealer. If they read this they better be able to figure it out!

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BTW...
Here's the coding for my 1K0 953 549 CD SWCM. Your Golf may have a different SWCM, but the coding above still applies unless it has older software (unlikely). My SWCM came from a 2008 Golf with a CBD 2.0 TDI engine.

I have paddles on my MFSW. If I did not have paddles the code would be 0001731. The code in my SWCM had been 0001631 before I switched from the 9W2 to the 9W7. (The 9W2 might have responded to the PTT button had I tried coding 0001831 before installing the 9W7. It is possible that your SWCM may already be coded to activate the 9W2 via the microphone (PTT) button.)


Address 16: Steering wheel Labels: 1K0-953-549-MY9.lbl
Part No SW: 1K0 953 549 CD HW: 1K0 953 549 CD
Component: J0527 054 0110 <--- software version
Coding: 0001831
Shop #: WSC 00056 555 39890

Part No: 3C8 959 537
Component: E221__MFL-TAP H2ÿ 0021
Coding: 00000227
Shop #: WSC 00000

No fault code found.


thanks a whole lot for this - fingers crossed :)
 

Mr. Timewise

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2010 Jetta SE 2.5L Tip (gasser)
Here's a little interesting twist...

If the MFSW is coded so that the PTT is not enabled, and you also happen to have the overhead buttons from the 9W2 system, the PTT button on the steering wheel can be used to just mute the radio while you use the overhead PTT/microphone button to activate the voice control.

I kinda liked having the "mute" function on the steering wheel, so this setup is interesting to me. (The "Phone" button on the RNS-510 no longer mutes the radio when the 9W7 is installed.)

Note that if PTT is not enable and the 9W7 is reading all your phonebook entries you then use the overhead PTT button to stop on the name of interest.
 
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tvmaster

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Location
Socal
TDI
2010 JSW
Mr. Timewise said:
Here's a little interesting twist...

If the MFSW is coded so that the PTT is not enabled, and you also happen to have the overhead buttons from the 9W2 system, the PTT button on the steering wheel can be used to just mute the radio while you use the overhead PTT/microphone button to activate the voice control.

I kinda liked having the "mute" function on the steering wheel, so this setup is interesting to me. (The "Phone" button on the RNS-510 no longer mutes the radio when the 9W7 is installed.)

Note that when the 9W3 is reading all your phonebook entries you then must use the overhead PTT button to stop on the name of interest.
Well - it's done - and 9W7 totally rocks! The installer man had some trouble with the PTT, but once he read your codes and though about it, it all worked. I think it's way easier using the steering wheel control to do everything, since the overhead's are not exactly at a "readable" angle. However, the system is SOOOOO much more funky now.

Some oddities: voice command is spotty at best - she really has trouble understanding the words coming out of your mouth.

I couldn't set the time from the display on the RNS-510, but I could set it from the MFD - strange.

The MFD language list included spanish, english and french. I turned off the car, restarted it, and she decided to start speaking to me in spanish. I used the steering wheel controls to get to language settings, and VOILA! ALL the languges were now available, including Czech, Polish and UK English. That was odd.

It's possible the coding dude made an error somewhere - so I'll keep documenting strange happenings.
But for all you 9W2 owners - this 9W7 upgrade is amazing.

ps - if the PTT IS enabled on the MFSW, then which button DOES mute the RNS-510?
 
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