Not just the US, they're attracting more and more attention in Europe as well. Attention of the negative kind.My bet is passenger diesels will be eliminated from the US market eventually.
That's a pretty safe bet. Like betting the sun will fizzle out, ...eventually.My bet is passenger diesels will be eliminated from the US market eventually.
Maybe on certain specific conditions gas engines match or even beat their light duty diesel counterparts MPG. Now add the numbers take the average and the diesel engine pulls ahead and does not look back!I'm still driving both my 02 TDIs. Still really like them although they're getting up there in age. With that being said, I pretty much agree with you. The regulations have forced these engines out of the market for good. Quite frankly, how can manufacturers make it worthwhile? They can't. With gas engines getting 36 mpg and upwards, its just not even worth the maintenance with these new systems that have been introduces to make it work.
For 2015 year for these three hatchbacks:
- - - - - - - - - - - - - Fuelly miles - - - Fuelly Average MPG
2015 Golf TSI - - - - 1,000,000 - - - - 29.8
2015 Golf TDI - - - - 5,180,000 - - - - 41.7
2015 Mazada 3 - - - 1,000,000 - - - - -32.1
Cost of ownership is, of course, very complex and also subjective.
Again I think the issue with those numbers is how the driver is using their cars.Maybe on certain specific conditions gas engines match or even beat their light duty diesel counterparts MPG. Now add the numbers take the average and the diesel engine pulls ahead and does not look back!
Yes that is a point to consider also. I do not disagree.Again I think the issue with those numbers is how the driver is using their cars.
Look at the Miles Driven number, then factor in that the TDI in a best case scenario made up for 50% of sales of the 2015 Golf. What that says is on average the TDI is being driven much longer per trip than a TSI, most likely on the highway, and thats going to have a massive effect on the F/E numbers presented.
My 1.8 TSI long term average having just passed 18k (on track for 24k miles a year) is 38.1mpg
I think the fuelly numbers just hold to many varaibles given driver types that are very distinct to TDI owners.
What Im presenting is my direct comparison of a 2013 CR TDI that I purchased new which was driven for just over 70k before being sold back, to my 2016 1.8TSI which was purchased in late September of 2016 with currently 18k miles. I think I generally represent the kind of driver that would consider a TDI. High mileage average per year, on Highway
-Both drive on 18" wheels in the summer, both using Pirelli P7's
-Both have used the exact same wheel/tire combo (Audi 16x7" with General Arctic altimax 215/55/16) for snow tires in the winter
-I live in the same house as I did during my total duration of the CR TDI
-My commute and personal travel is virtually identical
-Both are 6 speed automatics, the TDI having the DSG, the TSI the 09G Aisin.
Right now Im 14% less F/E
I expect my F/E of the 1.8TSI to increase to about 39mpg over the course of the spring summer and early fall. Given about 75% of my current mileage right now was on snow tires and in the cold weather months. Thats about a 12% difference.
Now factor in, on average in my area, that Diesel prices are 15 cents higher than 87, that is a 6% decrease in fuel cost. So overall Im looking at a difference of 6-8% between the two, in favor of the TDI
That all being said, I think my 2013 TDI was my favorite vehicle I have ever owned. I was extremely sad to see it go but the finances simply favored the buyback on my end.
With that being said, the 1.8TSI has really exceeded any expectation I had.
I'm seeing about 20% higher consumption with my TSI versus my previous TDI under similar conditions: roughly 5.0 L/100 km average for the TDI, 5.8-6.0 for the TSI.I think the fuelly numbers just hold to many varaibles given driver types that are very distinct to TDI owners.
What Im presenting is my direct comparison of a 2013 CR TDI that I purchased new which was driven for just over 70k before being sold back, to my 2016 1.8TSI which was purchased in late September of 2016 with currently 18k miles. I think I generally represent the kind of driver that would consider a TDI. High mileage average per year, on Highway
-Both drive on 18" wheels in the summer, both using Pirelli P7's
-Both have used the exact same wheel/tire combo (Audi 16x7" with General Arctic altimax 215/55/16) for snow tires in the winter
-I live in the same house as I did during my total duration of the CR TDI
-My commute and personal travel is virtually identical
-Both are 6 speed automatics, the TDI having the DSG, the TSI the 09G Aisin.
Right now Im 14% less F/E
I expect my F/E of the 1.8TSI to increase to about 39mpg over the course of the spring summer and early fall. Given about 75% of my current mileage right now was on snow tires and in the cold weather months. Thats about a 12% difference.
Now factor in, on average in my area, that Diesel prices are 15 cents higher than 87, that is a 6% decrease in fuel cost. So overall Im looking at a difference of 6-8% between the two, in favor of the TDI
That all being said, I think my 2013 TDI was my favorite vehicle I have ever owned. I was extremely sad to see it go but the finances simply favored the buyback on my end.
With that being said, the 1.8TSI has really exceeded any expectation I had.
And note that you're running a fuel with 12-14% less energy (and 12-14% lower CO2 emissions) per gallon, so if you're at 14% more fuel consumed... you're basically just as efficient.Right now Im 14% less F/E
There was a recall for that. It was only for a specific batch made between specific dates, and oddly enough, the fix was a software change. It did not in fact apply to my car, it was not in the bad batch based on manufacturing date.Weren't there problems with the 1.8TSI shearing off cam lobes, potentially resulting in loss of the power brakes? I agree that fuelly numbers might not be a super accurate reference. I'd just compare the EPA numbers, realizing that they tend to be biased somewhat in favor gassers.
I'm guessing that with all of these new lawsuits and business raids, Mazda and GM will, at a minimum, delay launch of the new diesel SUVs until 2019 models. More likely, we won't see them at all.Fingers crossed that Mazda still brings the CX-5 diesel to the US. And the Traverse is still supposed to be coming. But I have a hunch a hybrid will be in my future. The new Tiguan coming this summer with the powertrain from the Jetta Hybrid would be nice. I was quite impressed when I drove a Jetta (admittedly a short drive).
That is odd. I wouldn't want a software only fix for a batch of defective camshafts.There was a recall for that. It was only for a specific batch made between specific dates, and oddly enough, the fix was a software change. It did not in fact apply to my car, it was not in the bad batch based on manufacturing date.
Yes good point. Also it takes less energy to refine diesel and the current light duty diesel vehicles have to deal with more taxing emission equipment that impacts negatively the MPG (few % points probably).And note that you're running a fuel with 12-14% less energy (and 12-14% lower CO2 emissions) per gallon, so if you're at 14% more fuel consumed... you're basically just as efficient.
And note that you're running a fuel with 12-14% less energy (and 12-14% lower CO2 emissions) per gallon, so if you're at 14% more fuel consumed... you're basically just as efficient.
There was a software fix for crankcase breathers on some of the POS DI turbo gas engines too.That is odd. I wouldn't want a software only fix for a batch of defective camshafts.