The affects of Waste Vegetable oil on TDI's

casemaster

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Re: The affects of Waste Vegetable oil on TDI\'s

wow. you guys are brutal- i'm scared to post!

there are also people who are blending a little bit of K1, ethanol, or RUG with their SVO in a heated system. heating to engine temp with this blend approaches the same viscosity as diesel. much better the 6x. yes, there are other concerns, but this seems pretty safe and it's been working great for me for about 15k mi.
 

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Re: The affects of Waste Vegetable oil on TDI\'s

Until my engine has a problem or begins to be sluggish I have no need to pull my injectors. It runs like a Raped Ape with Diesel and WVO. I do the typical Preventative maintenance and add my standyne(spelling?) addiditives to the diesel. Maybe when I get time I will pull one but last time it looked just like dirty carbon from normal diesel combustion.
 

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Re: The affects of Waste Vegetable oil on TDI\'s

Jim said:
but I have to point out that most of the research cited is outdated and doesn't reflect current SVO systems.
Vegi_VW said:
My point is not that all of those studies are worthless -- I'm glad they were done. My point is rather that the research I have seen is not representative of how most people run VO in their TDIs. Until we get some, the jury is still out. Now, I would LOVE to see some more current research, either lab engine tests or (preferably) real-world comparisons between cars running VO and diesel. But that costs money.
I completely agree with you guys. I'm sorry if I seemed like I was trying to bash SVO, because I wasn't.

I was however, playing the skeptic and was providing documented research reports, because I'm a scientist and frankly that's what I do. I can't turn it off at the end of the day when I leave the office.

Moreover, I agree that many of the reports I cited are older and may or may not reflect modern SVO systems. But still, older reports are much better in my book that pollyanna statements that SVO is just hunky dory and any failures are due to the failure of the end user to sacrifice the chicken in exactly the right manner.

To whit, SVO is still an experimental fuel. It has great potential, but we also need to understand and document it's various parameters. And unfortunately, as a dyed in the wool science type, anecdotal reports of "I ran 40k miles on SVO will no problems" don't cut it. That's not how we do science; there is just too much potential for confirmation and attribution bias by well intentioned users.
 

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Re: The affects of Waste Vegetable oil on TDI\'s

Hold the boat, Captain: are you saying you're running

<font color="brown"> Waste vegetable oil </font>blended with

Regular Unleaded <font color="#666666"> GASOLINE(!)</font> blended with

<font color="green"> ETHANOL </font>:eek: blended with kerosene?



In a Turbo- <font color="red"> DIESEL </font> Tdi????????




ETHANOL????? GASOLINE????? You DO know your Tdi was designed for <font color="red"> diesel, </font> don't you???

Ethanol???

**Shakes head, mutters under chin**
 

casemaster

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yes, that's sort of correct, my skeptical friend. I never said that I was blending with RUG nor ethanol, but there are many people who do this. if you visit the biodiesel.infopop.cc site there are many knowledge chemists/mechanics that are indeed using these fuels to thin there SVO. most of them are blending and running it unheated in the stock tank. i read a peer reviewed scientific paper that report that a SVO blend with 9% ethanol heated to 80C has euqivalent viscosity to diesel. i don't have the info at hand (but can find it if you like).

i'm not going there. i blend K1 with my WVO at 5:95 and run it in an auxiliary fuel system that allows me to avoid the burning of ANY SVO in a cold engine and to heat the fuel to 80C minimum, but almost always running at engine temp (87-90C). i am not entirely certain what viscosity i am reaching but plan to experiment and perfect the ratio.
 

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Re: The affects of Waste Vegetable oil on TDI\'s

Phew!

Viscosity is not the only metric you need to worry about. You also need to worry about water being carried along in solution with the ethanol, which can phase separate if the temperature drops, and make road-kill of your diesel in short order. Also, gasoline is prepared for high octane (resistance to compression ignition) whereas diesel are prepared for high cetane (ability to compression ignite.) Those two things are in opposition. Octane works against proper ignition in our engines.

Your system doesn't sound so bad (at least you're heating and purging...and blending). I went over and read some of those threads ( I think it was that site you mentioned)...and numerous posts are about: "What's this wax/salt/crap that destroyed my IP??
) or "what's this bent conrod supposed to look like?"

No thanks, friend....I'll not be doing the $14,500 experiments. Too rich for my budget.
 

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Re: The affects of Waste Vegetable oil on TDI\'s

Dr. Stink:

... unfortunately, as a dyed in the wool science type, anecdotal reports of "I ran 40k miles on SVO will no problems" don't cut it. That's not how we do science; there is just too much potential for confirmation and attribution bias by well intentioned users.
I agree! But anecdotal reports like NCTDIGuy's aren't sufficient on their own either. As a colleague of mine is fond of saying, "The plural of anecdote is not data." And IMHO it's even less productive to blame all failures on the user's decision to use SVO, while ignoring the parameters of its use.

I appreciate your skepticism -- I'm a scientist too. So tell you what: you be skeptical of the SVO advocates, and I'll be skeptical of the SVO detractors. That way we should cover the whole spectrum
 

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Re: The affects of Waste Vegetable oil on TDI\'s

"i don't have the info at hand "

Here's some info on VO + gasoline + ethanol blends:
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl...nzen%25C3%25B6l,%2BBenzin,%2BAlkohol%2Bsowie%2BRME%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DG

Highlights include:
"A Mercedes Benz of 300 turbo-Diesels is operated without problems since more than 200,000 km with the fuel. The engine of this vehicle was so far three times partly divided and examined by the company Hoeckele, Moessingen, (see reports). The results were very positive. Were neither nonspecific carbon deposits to recognize nor gluings of the piston rings or other damage. Surprising way was cleaner the inside of the engine with each examination of the engine than during the preceding dismantling, which suggests that the fuel has also a cleaning effect. The emission values of the vehicle were measured twice with the TUEV and found good."
"So far with Schur ecofuel a complete run achievement was reached of more as 1.000.000 km in pre-chamber diesel engines and more than 8000 hours in directly injecting diesel engines."
 

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Re: The affects of Waste Vegetable oil on TDI\'s

Runonbeer and I took out one of my injectors after I snapped off the bolt holding the injector inplace. The injector we took out looked pretty bad. But I was switching over to veggie sooner then I should.

The strange thing is the car still runs like when I purchased it so it doesn't seem to have damaged it.

Here are the pictures when runonbeer and I (mainly him) took out the injector to repair the snapped off bolt.

Looks like I'm going to have to wait for it to warm up more.

Dirty injectors from switching to veggie to soon

switch over to veggie to soon

I installed my greasecar kit last march, and I wasn't waiting long enough to switch over to veggie, and I did notice that my new nozzles where getting nasty looking, but it didn't do anything for performance, I just have to wait a little longer to switch over.

Kits works great.
One year wouldn't be long enough for the type of long-term damage to occur that I believe is being discussed. How do the nozzles look now?

Mike
 

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Re: The affects of Waste Vegetable oil on TDI\'s

Some rather inventive people have done a conversion of the main tank to run veg and pulled out the glove box and replace it with a diesel tank

I'm not brave enough to try a WVO conversion with my TDI yet. Also, I need the "trunk" space (Golf). I'm currently working on a WVO conversion (two tank) on a 1985 300D. I was just working on the 300D, as a matter of fact. doing some welding and fiberglass work on the floor. I hope to have the interior/seats back in it soon... then I can get more work done on the WVO conversion. It's running B100 for now.. so that's a start, eh?

NCTDIGuy, good luck with your conversion if you go that route. The 300D gives me a lot more room to work... especially for the 24 gallon WVO tank in the trunk!
 

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Re: The affects of Waste Vegetable oil on TDI\'s

I have yet to read anything from any scientist that i could say i didnt think was biased. I can see it now scientists determin wvo will destroy any diesel system with more then 100 tests done every diesel car engine was destroyed by wvo. Meantime the scientists forget to mention that the WVO they used was fresh out of the dumpster and unfiltered filled with water. You want the real honest truth just visit greasecar.com and read the posts we post everything there when we have issues we post there for help on how to resolve them. If you read this you will realize there are just about no posts saying HELP WVO destroyed my ip this is because most of us are equcated on how to filter and de-water WVO and we know its water that really destroys a IP. I myself will tell you in the begining when i first started greasing I had a couple of problems. Thankfully I was using a fuel filter with water block so my problem was that my fuel filter clogged up often. Now that I accually know what i am doing filtering and de-watering my filter lasts over 6k miles per filter I could probably get it to go further if I added another stage to my filtering.
I do wish that people would be more open minded you dont have to run out and convert your car but please dont tell everyone else that wants to convert there car that if they do they are going to be spending thousands of dollars fixing it every month. ITs simply not true.
Jim said:
but I have to point out that most of the research cited is outdated and doesn't reflect current SVO systems.
Vegi_VW said:
My point is not that all of those studies are worthless -- I'm glad they were done. My point is rather that the research I have seen is not representative of how most people run VO in their TDIs. Until we get some, the jury is still out. Now, I would LOVE to see some more current research, either lab engine tests or (preferably) real-world comparisons between cars running VO and diesel. But that costs money.
I completely agree with you guys. I'm sorry if I seemed like I was trying to bash SVO, because I wasn't.

I was however, playing the skeptic and was providing documented research reports, because I'm a scientist and frankly that's what I do. I can't turn it off at the end of the day when I leave the office.

Moreover, I agree that many of the reports I cited are older and may or may not reflect modern SVO systems. But still, older reports are much better in my book that pollyanna statements that SVO is just hunky dory and any failures are due to the failure of the end user to sacrifice the chicken in exactly the right manner.

To whit, SVO is still an experimental fuel. It has great potential, but we also need to understand and document it's various parameters. And unfortunately, as a dyed in the wool science type, anecdotal reports of "I ran 40k miles on SVO will no problems" don't cut it. That's not how we do science; there is just too much potential for confirmation and attribution bias by well intentioned users.
 

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Re: The affects of Waste Vegetable oil on TDI\'s

...no posts saying HELP WVO destroyed my ip...

Yes, well I've seen more than a handful of threads of that nature at biodieselnow.org and other places...they're not unheard of you know: although most people experiencing such self-inflicted failures are going to be waaaaaaay too shy to admit it. Funny how a lot of really excited WVO folks only post the wonderfully glowing stuff until one day they just stop posting anything at all...hmmmmmm?



BTW: I never claimed that WVO will wreck your Tdi...read my previous posts, you won't find any such thing, so don't go jumping down my throat in defense of VO. You are more than free to continue experimenting with your $20,000 car; thanks, but NO thank you for me.
 

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Re: The affects of Waste Vegetable oil on TDI\'s

I am keeping my fingers crossed. I have 3,100 miles on WVO with the grease car system. I have had no problems. I wait to switch over when my temp gauge gets to 190 degrees. I do some mountain driving and mostly highway. I will keep writing on here inspite of what nicklockard wrote. I think that it is important one way or another to post results for everyones benefit! I dont see this forum as bashing one source or another, but to gather information.
 

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Re: The affects of Waste Vegetable oil on TDI\'s

i am thinking of installing a 2 tank system
to run biodiesel only.. in my tdi in the winter months.
Any reasons you guys think this wouldn't be a good
compromise here..??
 

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Re: The affects of Waste Vegetable oil on TDI\'s

I'd strongly advise against running BioD in a two tank system designed for WVO. You could run BioD from your main tank through a heated fuel filter, but i wouldn't heat it more than that. I've seen what happens when you heat BioD to 190F. BioD is an organic solvent and, I'd don't know the chemistry behind it but, it is a much more potent solvent when hot. Your fuel lines will turn into goo.

My two cents on people running on veg-
I would venture to say that most are doing it for environmental reasons, are uninformed about diesel mechanics, don't take the time to do the proper research, and are taking unneccessary risks because they don't realize that it is as risky as it is- especially with TDIs. This is not saying that you can't do it safely, but I bet in a few years we will be hearing more and more stories about dead IPs, clogged injectors and other sad stories.
 

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Re: The affects of Waste Vegetable oil on TDI\'s

Fredb:

You don't need to run a 2 tank system for biodiesel. Biodiesel will work fine in your regular tank and, depending upon feedstock, will not start clouding until about 40F or lower. Once it gets cold, it can be blended with diesel to keep it from gelling.
 

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Re: The affects of Waste Vegetable oil on TDI\'s

fredb,
I think it's a good idea, and have recommended it before for people who live in very cold climates.
 

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Re: The affects of Waste Vegetable oil on TDI\'s

If you're using bio then there's no reason for a two tank system. You can blend with regular diesel or kero to winterize the fuel.
 

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Re: The affects of Waste Vegetable oil on TDI\'s

fredb,
I think it's a good idea, and have recommended it before for people who live in very cold climates. Just diasable the coolant heater when temp's are in the 40's. And no need for a Veg-Therm obviously.
 

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Re: The affects of Waste Vegetable oil on TDI\'s

well, if you have a two tank system in your TDI for veg, you betta have a good coolant wrap on the veg fuel filter and a heat exchanger in the veg tank (and definitely a Veg-Therm in addition to coolant heat transfer). So, it is a bit difficult not to heat the fuel coming from the aux tank.

i'm telling you- goo.

your standard fuel line material will completely dissolve. don't bother with trying to run B100 in the winter, just run it in your main tank and thin it out when the temps drop.

cheers
 

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Re: The affects of Waste Vegetable oil on TDI\'s

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the intent of using biodiesel in a two-tank system, to use the biodiesel in the NON-heated tank in place of standard diesel fuel, and to use the vegetable oil (NOT the biodiesel) in the heated tank?
 

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Re: The affects of Waste Vegetable oil on TDI\'s

I think the intent is to use the heated tank for B100.
Also makes sense to use a kit that heats the main tank.
The second tank would be small, unheated and run diesel or B20.
 

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Re: The affects of Waste Vegetable oil on TDI\'s

"well, if you have a two tank system in your TDI for veg.."
He doesn't.
Re-read his post.
 

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Re: The affects of Waste Vegetable oil on TDI\'s

I think the intent is to use the heated tank for B100.
Also makes sense to use a kit that heats the main tank.
The second tank would be small, unheated and run diesel or B20.
Umm, not so much. Heated tank for SVO/WVO, not B100. Non-heated tank for B100 or B20. Why bother heating B100? Runs fine at room temp, that's the point.
 

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Thanks for the posts here is what I think

Wow I have been out of the loop for a while and haven't been able to reply to this post. I never thought it would get this big but I am glad it did. My main goal is to get this information out to people who are considering purchasing the Greascar system for the VW TDI.

I believe in Vegetable oil as a fuel however I do not believe that a company should be selling a kit and claiming that there is no risk of installing it in your vehicle. Furthermore, I felt it was unfair that I wasn't at least given a refund or a call to talk about the situation.

Sure it says they are not responsible for properly installing it and maintaining it. I installed it as the instructions said. I filtered the oil with their equipment they provided me. The kit worked as designed and in the process damaged my injection pump.

I am certain that the vegetable oil caused the failure on my injection pump. I have two theories:

A. The system did not allow for proper heating and caused strain on my injection pump. The TDI is a small pump that is made to pump diesel from the fuel tank through the filter and into the injectors. All of the extra fuel lines could have caused strain on the pump.
B. I believe that somehow air might have got into the system and damaged the pump maybe because of a faulty valve.

It doesn't matter to me what happen but I am POSITIVE it was a direct cause of SVO and the Greasecar system. Yeah it works for a lot of people but other people have also had serious problem with it. Yes lots of people have Greasecar systems but a large portion of those people have IDI engines and not TDI. The ones running SVO in their TDI god bless and I am glad you have had a good experience thus far. I guess my pump couldn’t take it. I suspect yours will eventually succumb to the VO if you continue to use Greasecars poor quality product.

I am not a middled aged man like most of your guys and I am not an expert scientist, mechanic, or engineer. I am a 23-year-old Army cadet getting a degree in Management. I do have mechanical knowledge and I have worked on cars before, I assure you I am not an idiot. You’re right I should have done research and I did. I found little to suggest that Vegetable oil might cause this type of a problem but I have since found the TDI/SVO controversy and other people with similar problems. Greasecar is a relatively new product that has been gaining lots of ground recently since gas prices have gone up. Eventually I believe we will see more problems with the greasecar system and more complaints. Even Journeytoforever had a problem with their injection pump. Greasecar reassured me that the product was safe for my TDI and it ISN’T.

THE FACT IS GREASECAR HAS THE BURDEN OF PROOF ON THEIR SHOULDERS. They must prove to their consumers that this product is safe for their vehicles. If Greasecar feels so confident that their product is safe for TDI I encourage them to back it with a guarantee or warranty. Greasecar should have a policy of helping the consumer instead of brushing them aside. Greasecar has gotten too big and they have lost focus with their customer base. Their sales were estimated to reach over 1 million dollars this year. Maybe they should use some of their net income and invest it in better customer service and product R&D. I would have never mentioned my problem on this forum if Greasecar helped me with my problem. They asked for this bad publicity. I believe and hope that these posts will discourage people to do business with Greasecar. GREASECAR IS EXPLOITING PEOPLE LOOKING TO SAVE MONEY ON FUEL COSTS BY OFFERING A POORLY CONSTRUCTED AND ENGINEERED PRODUCT.

I can’t claim to know much about the Elbetts (spelling ??) system but it seems to be a better design for the TDI. I have not done research on that system so I wouldn’t say go buy that system but I would say that is a safer bet.

I believe in Vegetable oil as potential fuel of the future. Greasecars system is a crude unresearched and undeveloped system that lacks any true legitimate research or engineering. The guys that designed this are not engineers or scientist. My advice through this ordeal is to sit tight and wait until reputable companies that can stand behind their name come out with products they will stand behind. Don’t you think that companies like VW would come out with systems like this for the TDI if they had faith in running systems like this in their product? I had a website even promoting the Greasecar system, which I have since taken down (Gresemunkey.com).

Will I sue Greasecar? That remains to be seen. It guess it depends on whether we see this problem increase as Greasecar sells more of these kits. I sure hope that is forum will make people think twice before risking their TDI. I will ask Greasecar to refund me again but I doubt they will. I wouldn’t know how to go about doing a “charge back” on my credit card like on man suggested. I may just end up selling it on ebay or to one of the people on the forums.

I don’t have a lot of time to do research on this topic but based on these forums and forums I have read on Greasecars website, people are having problems. I am causing more a stink than people might think necessary but I am legitimately concerned about the increasing problems these kits are causing. I have sent a complaint to the FTC through their website and I am taking other measures to get solid research done on these technologies and products. Companies must be held liable for their product and the possible damage they may cause. If my complaints are not founded then no harm is done. I read a case where one girl was involved in an interstate accident when her greasecar system failed and her car stalled.

I have written some letters to different new agencies and organization in hopes to stimulate more research and help inform consumers about the risks.

PS I didn't proof read this so don't be too harsh. Your not my professor and your not giving me a grade.


To the man/women who asked if I lived in Missouri before I moved to NC. No I did not but I lived their for 5 1/2 months when I trained as a US Army Soldier and a US Army Military Police officer. I don't know whether you intended to insult the great people of Missouri but I find it distasteful to get off topic and insult people you don't know.
 

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Re: The affects of Waste Vegetable oil on TDI\'s

I think the intent is to use the heated tank for B100.
Also makes sense to use a kit that heats the main tank.
The second tank would be small, unheated and run diesel or B20.
Umm, not so much. Heated tank for SVO/WVO, not B100. Non-heated tank for B100 or B20. Why bother heating B100? Runs fine at room temp, that's the point.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the intent of using biodiesel in a two-tank system, to use the biodiesel in the NON-heated tank in place of standard diesel fuel, and to use the vegetable oil (NOT the biodiesel) in the heated tank?
Ok Let me try to clarify my point as i think it was a little confusing to some. I live it vt. It is cold here..very cold.
My intent was to run b100 year round using a 2 tank system. to get around having to blend or use dinocrud
in the winter.I want to get out from under the thumb of big
oil. Looks like i might have to run stainless fuel lines to do so.If i run an svo setup it sounds like i may fry my ip.
if i run b100 looks like i may melt my fuel lines.

Perhaps there is a way to regulate the temp via thermostat.
To keep the biodiesel to say between 50F and 90f .

Hmmm..
 

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Re: The affects of Waste Vegetable oil on TDI\'s

fred if you are going to go through the trouble of putting in a second heated tank why waste so much money per gallon on bio-d? Would it be possible to just run a blend of more diesel to bio-d in winter with some anti gel in the tank and be ok? (I have no idea how bio-d and diesel mix i know veg and diesel dont mix they kinda slosh around each other)

Also in response to nicklord: I find it more then fishy you point out a biodiesel org that has had problems with wvo destroying ip's. WVO might be considered experimental but i honestly don't know why other then maybe we just haven't sent anything to lab for testing all our testing has been on the road. There have been numerouse people and bands drving cross country doing educational outreach programs on verhicles using WVO as a fuel. Millions of miles on WVO if IP destruction could positivly be linked to the use of dewatered filterd WVO I think it would have allready been done. Hell there is a trip someone is setting up to go from Alaska to Chillie.
 

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Re: The affects of Waste Vegetable oil on TDI\'s

Case umm ya thats funny I think all greasers know a lot about heating insulation and such. If i could not get my veg oil over 150 on a given day my car would run on diesel all day. I have TONS of heating in my GC system there is a heat exchanger in the tank I use a hose inside hose system (pex hardline inside radiator hose)so there is even more heat exchange action going there then there is a heat exchanger wrapped around my veg oil filter then finally for those really cold days I have a veg therm (with a on off switch so i can shut it off in the summer)just before the IP. With the veg therm on at 70mph on a 50degree day my IP temp is 200 plenty hot for even lard to flow well.
 

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Re: The affects of Waste Vegetable oil on TDI\'s

You're from 'south of the border' aren't you.

I'm bailing out of this thread.....
 
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