TDI is gone and it's time to move on

TwoTone

Veteran Member
Joined
Sep 30, 2005
Location
Damascus, MD
TDI
05.5 Jetta (sold)
The reason that I choose to take my car to a dealership for service is because I am not able to do the work myself and I want someone that is factory trained to do the work, not some "guru" that has no visible proof of training. I get my service done at the same dealership where I bought the car from because although they are high priced the service department is reliable and reputable. I do not have to wonder if the service was done correctly or if someone that does not have training has messed with my car.

Now, look in the mirror for that tinfoil hat... you're wearing it.

Do some reading around here. Many dealers are overfilling and using wrong oil. Your best bet is finding a local guru.
 

D-Cell_Mekanick

Veteran Member
Joined
May 23, 2009
Location
Sandwich, IL
TDI
2015 Honda Civic SE
No problem at all. I never made it known why I could not do it until just now. You have no fault.
Don't think I've ever felt like a bigger D-bag before tho. Now as for dealers I've found myself one I'm not afraid of, that is if I can't fix it myself, now I'm not afraid of any internal combustion engine (excluding a Wankle rotary). Diesel is my daily job, albeit I'm used to diesels of very large size, not these itybity things. So no real worries as long as I've got the service manual.
 

armylifer

Member
Joined
Jun 21, 2011
Location
Maple Valley, WA
TDI
2009 Jetta
I have no doubt that there are dealerships that are making some big time mistakes out there. I am equally sure that the bad ones get many times more comments about them than the good ones do. I have had some experience with bad dealerships over the years and I could tell you stories that rival some of the worst that I've seen on this forum. However, the dealership I am using has always been fair with me. I could be much more specific but I would wear out my fingers typing the story.

Suffice it to say that we all have opinions and different skill levels and abilities. Those that take pride in their cars and have the tools, ability, skill, time and money will never be happy with someone else working on their cars. That is part of pride in ownership. I hate it when I have to take my car in to a dealership to get something as simple as an oil change done but as long as I have to, I will take it to one that I trust. I do trust the one I go to because they earned it. If I found the only dealership in America that is trustworthy, then I am the luckiest guy on this forum.
 

MonsterTDI09

TDIClub Enthusiast, Veteran Member
Joined
Jul 3, 2009
Location
NoVa/NJ
TDI
2010 Jetta DSG/ up keep on 2009 Jetta DSG 2006 Jetta Pag 2 in North SEA Green
The actual time that it takes to do an oil change is about 15 minutes. $100.00 for 15 minutes work is excessive.

Yes 15 to 20 minutes for the actual oil change.Then there is the road test and inspection of the car and so on also tire rotation.Convenience and trust should cost something?Don't forget about the shop overhead.


Hey I get it $100.00 for a oil change is like wow:eek:.There is just more to it like the oil and filter is $ 40.00 to start off with.


If money is that tight,I'm sure if you set up a GTG people would come over and help you out.I know I would if you lived by me.
 
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tdiatlast

Top Post Dawg
Joined
Jan 21, 2009
Location
Fort Worth, Texas
TDI
2009 Sportwagen (boughtback); 2014 Passat TDI SEL (boughtback)
Monster, you're right...assuming it's a REAL tech doing the oil change, etc. etc. There are dealers near me that have valets do the oil change...which is why I go to Marten's in Bethesda, where a real certified tech does the job. Their oil change special price is around $60, by the way.
 

Vipervnm

Veteran Member
Joined
Jul 27, 2006
Location
Kingwood, NJ
TDI
2006 Jetta TDI Package 1
That may be the case where you live. However, I have nothing bad to say about my dealership. I will even tell you who they are. I use Chaplin's VW Subaru in Bellevue, WA. I don't think that they would mind the plug and I hope that I have not violated any club rules but they do deserve honorable mention. I am not saying that they are perfect all the time but when I did have any issues with them they made it right. I might add that they bend over backwards to please the customer, if the customer is reasonable with them. I could also tell you of two other VW dealers in Western Washington that I could not say something good about so I will just not say anything at all about them.

I highlighted the funniest part of your post but the whole thing was lopsided and condescending. You assume the person working on your car was trained or did he show you a certificate? The diesel specialists and other specialist mechanics around my hometown (the ones you mocked in your post as "gurus") can not only run circles around the dealer techs but have walls plastered with certifications. They're the kind of mechanic that actually fixes/services something as opposed to remove/replace like a dealer. They even know what a DMF is and don't swear up and down that your car doesn't have one.

Anyone with a set of tools can remove/replace. It certainly doesn't make you a mechanic.
 

MPBsr

Veteran Member
Joined
May 31, 2009
Location
NJ
TDI
2009 TDI....Traded in
HEY!!!

No jacking of thread.

Go start your own on the cost of an oil change...LOL
 

dieselpony

Veteran Member
Joined
Aug 11, 2008
Location
Woodbury, MN
TDI
2015 Jetta SEL 6 speed manual Moonrock Silver
The 1.4L turbo in the Cruze is direct injection? I thought it wasn't. Regardless, 138 hp and 148 lb-ft isn't bad.
Pretty sure it is not direct injected, at least not the 1.4.
See here from http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1044342_2011-chevrolet-cruze-1-4t-isnt-quite-an-ecoboost-rival: "As for why GM didn't opt to install direct injection in the U.S. version of the 1.4T, it was a conscious decision to hold down cost and complexity for the Cruze, a vehicle for which price will be very important. "In General Motors, we have a wide variety of fuel-saving technologies," elaborated Katerberg. "We do use direct injection on a number of other engines…but for what we were trying to accomplish with the Cruze, port fuel [injection] is the right choice."
 

Turbine Suburban

Veteran Member
Joined
Jul 12, 2009
Location
Upstate NY
TDI
2009 6 manual Gone! V6 Mustang now.
I don't blame the OP one bit!

I had a similar post here two years ago. Dumped the TDI after about 8K miles. I have since bumped into the new owner, he tells me it has got 60K on it, with no problems.

Great for him, he knows very little about the issue, and let him stay that way. I knew about it, and did not care to have to think about it, so even now, consider myself ahead of the game. Good on him, hopefully he will get many more years and miles in his ignorance.

The bottom line is many are fine with the risk management of owning one of these things. Some are not.
 

MPBsr

Veteran Member
Joined
May 31, 2009
Location
NJ
TDI
2009 TDI....Traded in
Pretty sure it is not direct injected, at least not the 1.4.
See here from http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1044342_2011-chevrolet-cruze-1-4t-isnt-quite-an-ecoboost-rival: "As for why GM didn't opt to install direct injection in the U.S. version of the 1.4T, it was a conscious decision to hold down cost and complexity for the Cruze, a vehicle for which price will be very important. "In General Motors, we have a wide variety of fuel-saving technologies," elaborated Katerberg. "We do use direct injection on a number of other engines…but for what we were trying to accomplish with the Cruze, port fuel [injection] is the right choice."
Port, direct...who cares.

Yes, I do miss my TDI, but now I don't have the HPFP shakes when sleeping at night...LOL
 

Dodoma

Veteran Member
Joined
Mar 30, 2004
TDI
2002 Jetta White
your committment to diesel was not there. You seemed to worry about future problems when there is no such problem now. If you take good care, your perceived pump failure may not happen. You took advantage of this site to learn about the car and walked off once you learned something. Ask yourself: how much you spend on using the car when you disposed off.
 

dieselpony

Veteran Member
Joined
Aug 11, 2008
Location
Woodbury, MN
TDI
2015 Jetta SEL 6 speed manual Moonrock Silver
Port, direct...who cares.

Yes, I do miss my TDI, but now I don't have the HPFP shakes when sleeping at night...LOL
I certainly can't blame you. If not for the HPFP issues, I probably would have looked for a used 09 or 10 instead of an 06 PD that I ended up buying.

Enjoy your Cruze. I test drove one in August and found it to be a great car.
 

Turbine Suburban

Veteran Member
Joined
Jul 12, 2009
Location
Upstate NY
TDI
2009 6 manual Gone! V6 Mustang now.
... your... pump failure may not happen. You took advantage of this site to learn about the car and walked off once you learned something. Ask yourself: how much you spend on using the car when you disposed off.
Better yet, ask yourself if you feel like you unloaded a risk, however small, of a devastating repair bill when your car has a few more miles on it.
 

MPBsr

Veteran Member
Joined
May 31, 2009
Location
NJ
TDI
2009 TDI....Traded in
your committment to diesel was not there. You seemed to worry about future problems when there is no such problem now. If you take good care, your perceived pump failure may not happen. You took advantage of this site to learn about the car and walked off once you learned something. Ask yourself: how much you spend on using the car when you disposed off.
My committment was real when I bought my TDI and I was committed to buying a diesel for future cars.

As far as future problems. The HPFP failures are increasing weekly. Wait another year or so when the failures really increase.

I did no such thing as taking advantage of this site. I learned about the failures a long time ago and stayed the course.

Not sure about your comment on spend, but the TDI was my daily driver and in 2.5 years did 42,500 miles on her. I even made prior comments on this site, that it was more fun to drive than my Mustang GT vert speed.

Even members here like Securityguy and El Dobro like me said, enough is enough and traded their's in when the time was right. Another member, had 2 HPFP failures.

Sorry, but the TDI is a time bomb.
 

bombero

Veteran Member
Joined
May 14, 2006
Location
The Lone Star State
TDI
2006 Jetta TDI
Whatever helps you folks sleep better...I'm just wondering why people still frequent this site after getting rid of their TDI because it might have a problem down the road.:confused:
 

Turbine Suburban

Veteran Member
Joined
Jul 12, 2009
Location
Upstate NY
TDI
2009 6 manual Gone! V6 Mustang now.
WAIT Wait wait.... Security guy traded his????

Wow. One of the most vocal opponents when I pulled the plug on mine. Me thinks thou dost protest too much security dude.

As to why I stick around and watch the forum? I find the car interesting, warts and all. I will never own another one in its current iteration. If they can make one without the hugely expensive pitfalls for a relatively inexpensive overall car, I would be interested again.
 

tdiatlast

Top Post Dawg
Joined
Jan 21, 2009
Location
Fort Worth, Texas
TDI
2009 Sportwagen (boughtback); 2014 Passat TDI SEL (boughtback)
hey...tdiatlast traded one of his in, too...on a 2012 Passat TDI SEL. Wait'll Security Guy hears about that...he'll give me grief, for sure.

According to those that have left the fold, I'm an idiot. I prefer to think of myself as an optimist, and that VWoA, in their push to move up in USA sales, will have to get this right. They really have no choice.

I also accept that I'm a risk taker. My career requires that I take risks, so I've become accustomed to a steady dose of adrenalin pulsing through my veins. I've learned to handle it, and I have to say, evey drive in any of my TDIs is a real rush...w/o the MPG penalty of a gasser.

I'm also confident, because of my relationship with my dealer tech, and his awareness that I'm serious about how I drive, fuel, and maintain my cars, that when the dreaded failure occurs, if ever, I'll be covered. The risk of the failure occuring and causing an accident...go back to paragraph two and three.
 

MPBsr

Veteran Member
Joined
May 31, 2009
Location
NJ
TDI
2009 TDI....Traded in
I'm also here even though I traded mine in, because one day once VW gets it's act together there's a good chance I'll be back.

This is SecurityGuy's sig (Man, he also got a great price).

Signature
SOLD - 2009 Red TDI DSG Sedan with Tan "Leather" Interior and Sunroof for $19,300 with 52K miles
 

GGK

Veteran Member
Joined
May 10, 2009
Location
High Desert in NM
TDI
2009 Jetta Sedan
I have to admit, the pump failures have made me nervous too. Unless VOA comes up with some decent fix, I might get rid of mine before it hits the end of the warranty...trouble is the wife loves the car. The other day while waiting for the recall fix at the dealer, I was looking at a 2012 Mercedes C250, nice car but I found out I knew more about the car than the young salesman!!
 

arrzilla

Well-known member
Joined
May 5, 2009
Location
nj
TDI
2009 Candy White Jetta Sedan.
I'm with you, OP.

I currently looking at other cars as well. Will be selling/ trading it in.
 

JM Popaleetus

Veteran Member
Joined
Mar 15, 2010
Location
Connecticut
TDI
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As far as the "level of idiocy" of this thread, the failures of the Bosch HPFP are increases every week. .
Please provide some proof of this claim. And no, a couple posts on this message board does not constitute proof. TDIClub members with a 2009+ TDI isn't even a single-digit percentage of total TDI sales in North America.

It sounds like you're talking out of your ass to make yourself feel better about your decision. But I'm more than willing to be proven wrong.
 

tdiatlast

Top Post Dawg
Joined
Jan 21, 2009
Location
Fort Worth, Texas
TDI
2009 Sportwagen (boughtback); 2014 Passat TDI SEL (boughtback)
Sadly, no right or wrong here. Just (mostly) reasonable people expressing their views.

Can we all just go back into our respective caves? I find this club extremely valuable for answering questions that HAVE a clear answer. All of this whining, on both sides of the HPFP discussion, is almost entirely, pure speculation.
 

dashbarron

Veteran Member
Joined
May 25, 2010
Location
Michigan
TDI
Jetta 2010
I feel for you OP, but as other have stated I think it's a bit ridiculous. Not a lot of good can come from excessive paranoia causing us to make large changes. You're probably just isolated to your TDI but a little poke with the logic and we can apply the same paranoia and thinking to everything in our lives, sending us all to the grave ironically early.

What's the details on your Mustang? I'm sure we can scour the internet and find some ticking time bomb in those that is probably really expensive--I mean it's a Mustang. Point being, as the saying goes, "drive more and worry less."

And as a side note...I've enjoyed my dealer so far. The service manager has been nice, respectable, and they've worked with me on a few issues. I've gotten my empty oil jugs for them so I can at least verify they're putting the right oil in. It's a bit ironic when people claim the dealership's supposed trained technicians are always moronic and they instead go to local gurus working out of their back garage. Not to say I haven't used those gurus for other vehicles and in the time past...but blanketing all the dealerships as bad is a very disingenuous service to new and worried readers.

And...I still get excited when I see a Mustang, man I want one! :D
 

EJS

Veteran Member
Joined
Nov 18, 2004
Location
Northern VA
TDI
2009 Jetta
.................Can we all just go back into our respective caves? I find this club extremely valuable for answering questions that HAVE a clear answer...............
Well we could if the posts would cease. I mean really what's the point of posting "I'm dumping the car because of ..............." in that car's forum? You're pretty much asking to take some heat.

........What's the details on your Mustang? I'm sure we can scour the internet and find some ticking time bomb in those that is probably really expensive--I mean it's a Mustang. Point being, as the saying goes, "drive more and worry less."
I would doubt it - it's the same car they've been building since 1964 - one would think they've gotten it right over the last 47 years.

FWIW - I can certainly understand the concern (a 1,500 mile trip to FL recently & it was on my mind)..................I do however find it funny that anyone would think Fail Motors is a viable alternative. Vega, Chevette, diesel............it's long & illustrious list of fail.
 

no-blue-screen

TDI Nut
Joined
Feb 9, 2006
Location
Maryland
TDI
TDI
To each his own. If you lay awake at night worrying about your HPFP then I might suggest seeing a doctor. This problem is overblown IMO. I am enjoying my 12 Passat TDI SE. You enjoy your cruze....I own a Chevy Minivan too....the 5.3 V-8 in all the chevys have problems with failing lifters....but that wouldn't stop me from buying one because my wife wants a Suburban...I just wish they would put a small displacement diesel in there.
 

JM Popaleetus

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Location
Connecticut
TDI
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I do however find it funny that anyone would think Fail Motors is a viable alternative. Vega, Chevette, diesel............it's long & illustrious list of fail.
I hope you realize it's hard to find anything you say to be taken seriously, or sound intelligent, when you refer to GM as "fail motors".

That said, you can find a "long and illustrious list of fail" for pretty much every company on this planet. Even VW and Ford.
 
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