Swapping instrument clusters?

Asbury030

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So I found this nice instrument cluster off a 04 gasser today at the junk yard... Is there anyway I can swap this over on to my 02 tdi? I really like the look of it. Thanks in advance.... Also my trip on the odometer stopped working.


 
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mr.loops

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Not without doing a immo delete or having someone who can retrieve the SKC and then program the cluster with a VCDS


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jettawreck

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SKC? I do have a buddy who has VCDS.
Nope, VCDS isn't enough. Need to have someone (tuner/programmer) delete the immobilizer in the ECU and either "pair" the ECU to the new cluster or use something such as VagTacho to extract the Secret Key Code (SKC) to eliminate the blinking immobilizer light in the cluster. The tachometer will register the correct rpm, but the scale and redline obviously will be incorrect.
 

Asbury030

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Nope, VCDS isn't enough. Need to have someone (tuner/programmer) delete the immobilizer in the ECU and either "pair" the ECU to the new cluster or use something such as VagTacho to extract the Secret Key Code (SKC) to eliminate the blinking immobilizer light in the cluster. The tachometer will register the correct rpm, but the scale and redline obviously will be incorrect.

Okay thanks. Yeah I'm okay with the whole rpm issue as long as the new tach gives me me the correct rpms.
 

Genesis

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You will have another problem too, which is that the odo will be wrong. You CANNOT set it once a few miles have been accrued; you can only set it forward (once, obviously) from zero.

There are places that can zero it; they can probably also get the SKC. You need BOTH SKCs (old and new cluster) to pair them or, as noted, an immo delete in the ECU or the car won't start.
 

k_pt

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You can always Frankenstein yours, pull the needles and the "paper" and install in yours ... the lcd panel on that boras cluster might be dead anyways ...
 

eddieleephd

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It's a lot more trouble than it's worth, you can get the visual gauge speed and fuel cards and swap them into the diesel cluster. Just have to remove the back panel and swap them.

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It's a lot more trouble than it's worth, you can get the visual gauge speed and fuel cards and swap them into the diesel cluster. Just have to remove the back panel and swap them.

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I wonder why no one made a card that looks like the gas cluster, except with the correct information. I always admire the silver color when I see these in person.

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Easiest and cheapest would be to buy an 04 TDI cluster and transfer the gauges, needles and lens to your existing cluster. I've found them on eBay for as little as $50.
 

eddieleephd

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Easiest and cheapest would be to buy an 04 TDI cluster and transfer the gauges, needles and lens to your existing cluster. I've found them on eBay for as little as $50.
If you're extremely handy with a solder iron you could even swap the odo trip meter lcd if that's the issue with the present trip meter.
 

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I don't believe the LCDs are even soldered on these clusters. You should be able to swap the LCD by just removing the metal cage that surrounds the LCD.
 

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I would prefer to find someone who could change the skc and the mileage at once. I Dont really care to do the immobilizer deal
 

jettawreck

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I would prefer to find someone who could change the skc and the mileage at once. I Dont really care to do the immobilizer deal
Get in touch with member jetta, 97. He will be able to do what is needed and/or at least answer any questions correctly.
http://forums.tdiclub.com/member.php?u=87519
There are no doubt many others, but consider him a "go to guy".
 

JettaTDIBlack

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Speaking of clusters. Last week, mine momentarily thought the time was 10:95pm when it was 10:45pm. Then last night my odometer and trip odometer went a bit wonky. Wondering if it is the cluster or the ECU?

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benmarks

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I'm not sure what you mean. This thread outlines ways you can, it's just a fair amount of work. It's probably easier to just find the appropriate cluster for your car.
 

benmarks

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Finding a diesel cluster that matches your Immobilizer shouldn't be that hard. If you have a 2003 car, then you have an IMMO3 car, which means you can use the 2004 clusters in this style because they are also IMMO3. That would remove any cost for deleting the Immobilizer.

Since this thread was originally created, you can now get the SKC using a free tool:


And, if you pay $15-30 for the appropriate cable, you can use the free VCDS Lite to do the pairing.

I don't know if this next statement is true, but if your current cluster and the replacement cluster are from the same manufacturer, I think you might even be able to clone your EEPROM from one to the other, and then you wouldn't even need to pair anything. Someone else here can probably verify if this is true. I know this can be done like-for-like clusters.
 

ekincaid

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Finding a diesel cluster that matches your Immobilizer shouldn't be that hard. If you have a 2003 car, then you have an IMMO3 car, which means you can use the 2004 clusters in this style because they are also IMMO3. That would remove any cost for deleting the Immobilizer.

Since this thread was originally created, you can now get the SKC using a free tool:


And, if you pay $15-30 for the appropriate cable, you can use the free VCDS Lite to do the pairing.

I don't know if this next statement is true, but if your current cluster and the replacement cluster are from the same manufacturer, I think you might even be able to clone your EEPROM from one to the other, and then you wouldn't even need to pair anything. Someone else here can probably verify if this is true. I know this can be done like-for-like clusters.
Thanks. I have used that and never thought about going that route. I might look around and see if I can find a 2004 TDI cluster. Perhaps @gmenounos has some thoughts on this.
 

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One other option you may want to consider, which is definitely not the "economical" option, is to look into Euro MFA/FIS clusters and/or the ColorMFA upgrade. Both give you a rudimentary engine computer, though ColorMFA offers way more features. You would need an upgraded right stalk too. I think gmenounos makes ColorMFA clusters, and there's also:

 

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I would avoid cloning the entire EEPROM from one cluster to another unless they were the same part number. I think it is better to just copy the important bits (e.g. odometer, immobilizer data, SKC) when cloning one cluster to another. That allows you to do things like switch from a regular cluster to MFA/FIS, TDI to gasoline, etc.
 

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Gmenounos helped me set the odometer and etc on a full FIS euro cluster I got. It's an immo 2 though. I was going to install it in my golf, but I'm selling the golf now, so I guess I'll be selling the cluster as well. I got the wiring and MFA stalk from clusters by Litke. I wish it would work for my passats, but it's not immo 3.
 

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I've never messed with any clusters before. After reading through some things. I think I got it.

1. Get me a cluster for an 04-05 TDI
2. Connect it and get the SKC using kw1281test ( I have the SKC for my current one)
3. Use VCDS to do an Cluster Adaptation following this video
What do I need to do set the correct mileage?
Anything I'm overlooking or not understanding?
 

Mozambiquer

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I've never messed with any clusters before. After reading through some things. I think I got it.

1. Get me a cluster for an 04-05 TDI
2. Connect it and get the SKC using kw1281test ( I have the SKC for my current one)
3. Use VCDS to do an Cluster Adaptation following this video
What do I need to do set the correct mileage?
Anything I'm overlooking or not understanding?
Message gmenous to get that. I used kw1281 test to reset the mileage. Basically what you do is pull the eeprom as a backup, then pull the section that has the mileage, insert into hex editor and change all the numbers to FF (zero in hex) then reset the cluster. It will then read zero. Another option is to flash that section from your previous cluster (I did that on mine)
 
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