Stupid door Switch!! $3 Fix!!!

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Started with it thinks the door is open all the time. So the dome light is always on and "your door is a jar" ding is constantly going. This seems to have gone away for now (intermittent). Understand it is probably the micro switch in the door latch mechanism. However, the auto windows don't work now. When pushing the window switch, the appropriate window "relay" makes a click noise but the window doesn't move. (The driver's side window lockout button is up/not depressed.) Few questions to help me decide how to fix the problem(s).

1. Would replacing the door latch also fix the window problem? Is it a different micro switch from the door open one? Saw a reference to 3-4 micro switch but didn't see a description of what they all do and if they are all in the door latch mechanism.

2. I've seen some folks add a magnetic switch to the bottom of the door and tie it to the door courtesy light. Or some folks used a straight push switch and tied it into the electronic unit under the dash. Would one of these two alternative switch methods also fix the windows?
 

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No that's a separate circuit . Chech the wire harness in the bend in the door to frayed wires for the window.
Check and see that you have 12v at the window motor.
It could be the switch for that window in the cluster on the drivers door.
 

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Guys, my door is Locked and is not responding lock/unlock button on the door or key-fob.
Sure door lock module is broken but : How to open that door ?
 

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Use the key and manually open it?
 

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Over this past weekend I finally got into the door and replaced the switch. What a dried up rusty mess it was. I could see where the old switch was worn out and needed replacement.

For the past 3-4 years my door never registered being open. No lights or chime or anything. I put off the fix. About three weeks ago I accidentally left my window down about half way and it rained into the car. For a couple of days my dashlights went funky and would shut off unless I jiggled the headlight switch. My door problem went the other direction - the car thinks that the door is open all of the time. The chime goes for about a minute and then stops. The puddle light stays on. And I manually shut off all the interior lights so they wouldn't be on all of the time. This is both when the car is on and when it's off with the key out of the ignition.

Replacing the microswitch was good because it needed to be done and I was able to lubricate the pull mechanism on the latch.

Anyone have an idea on where to look in order to fix the my-door-is-always-open issue? Dashboard getting wet seemed to be the trigger.

I did swap out my headlight switch with a different one. It's a switch that can do foglights even though I don't have fogs.

I'll put my original back in and see if there's a difference. Does it make sense that maybe the car thinks that the headlights are always on instead of the door being the problem? It doesn't make sense to me to be only the headlight switch - wouldn't the car stop it's chiming once I shut the door?
 

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I have not had any problems with the door ajar light or dinging sounds but 90% of the time my key fob doesn't fully lock my car. The horn seldom beeps when i push it and i know the passenger door always has to be locked and unlocked manually. Could this be from a bad module? I have replaced the battery in my fob several times and have 2 fobs that both have the same result
 

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Mouser has the right one. :)
I agree. It's a quality switch (made by Cherry), waterproof, and with a stainless steel lever to protect the switch button from wear from the cam.


It's the Cherry DC1C-A1LB, sold by Mouser HERE, and also other sources like Allied, Newark, etc.

You will need to trim and bend the end of the metal lever so it does not catch on the door cam, and you need to solder wires and waterproof the joints. turbocharged798 posted photos and commentary of his installation earlier in this thread starting at post #489. [EDIT]: I installed this switch differently from turbocharged798 and did not need to modify the lever. See my post #709 for details.
 
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I agree. It's a quality switch (made by Cherry), waterproof, and with a stainless steel lever to protect the switch button from wear from the cam.


It's the Cherry DC1C-A1LB, sold by Mouser HERE, and also other sources like Allied, Newark, etc.

You will need to trim and bend the end of the metal lever so it does not catch on the door cam, and you need to solder wires and waterproof the joints. turbocharged798 posted photos and commentary of his installation earlier in this thread starting at post #489.
MUCH better switch!

This is one of the reasons why I almost suggest that people just breakdown and buy an entire new (revised) module, as instead they might forget to get the correct switch (not to mention needing to possibly resolder the internal circuit board and repair that internal switch as well) and end up doing all this work only to have it mimic the cheap Chinese replacement modules (one could also caution that going straight for a replacement presents problems- folks forgetting or not knowing that those cheap ones are every bit the headache).
 

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But that actuator is the old style is it not? I thought that the newer rev has more of a cam/lever function to it.
The ideal replacement switch would mount in the original holes (like the VW China ones) so you don't have to glue it in place, AND be lever actuated.

Unfortunately no such switch is available AFAIK :mad:

Simon
 

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Over the last week, I've read or at least skimmed every post in this monstrous thread. Here's a quick summary with a focus on microswitch selection.

The most common lock module failure is the microswitch that detects whether the door is latched or not. The original design uses a pin-type switch which rides the outer edge of the latch itself -- the part that rotates to secure or release the post affixed to the door frame. The latch is steel, but it is clad in a somewhat soft plastic -- HDPE, probably. Over time, the pin on the microswitch digs a hole in the plastic where it rides, and then the hole catches the side of the switch pin and rips it off. This destroys the switch function and usually rips the pin seal as well, allowing dirt and water to get into the switch.

The solution is to replace the pin switch with a lever switch. The stainless steel lever isolates the pin from the latch: it protects the pin from shear forces from the latch; it is smooth and flat, and it won't dig a hole in the latch plastic cladding. In fact, it is wide enough to ride over the plastic cladding hole in many previously-damaged latches, if any loose plastic is trimmed away and the plastic is smoothed out.

Initial solutions focused on pin switches because it replicated the original design. Also, the first switch proposed (from Radio Shack) was unsealed and prone to failure with exposure to the elements. A pin switch replacement will in fact work OK if the latch plastic cladding is undamaged, but it retains the original design flaw.

Another common failure -- though much less common than the latch switch -- is fatigue failure of the solder joints that hold the main module electrical connector to the circuit board. This is simple to fix by reheating/resoldering each pin solder joint and by finding and fixing the source of the fatigue flexing.

VW apparently has recognized the issue and redesigned the lock module to use a lever-operated switch. So buying a whole new module from VW is a permanent fix. For my 2003 Jetta wagon (should be the same for all MkIV), these are part numbers:
  • 3B1-837-015 AS (left/front)
  • 3B1-837-016 CF (right/front)
  • 3B4-839-015 AM (left/rear)
  • 3B4-839-016 AM {right/rear)
They run about $125-200 each depending on vendor and position; left front is about $20 more than the others. This also includes a redesigned latch piece with a notch instead of a flat spot for switch activation.

Another option is to send your module to Module Master for rebuild. They charge $75 and include a 5 year warranty, but it appears that they do not use a sealed switch.

You can also roll the dice and try a Chinese replacement module, available from AARodriguez (Andrew) or eBay for $35-50 or so. Who knows whether you'll get a quality module or a Chinese Replacement Auto Part? Both types come from China, and it's pretty hard to tell the difference. Also, these modules will probably be the old design with the pin-type switch. That said, most people have had good results dealing with Andrew. He says his modules are OEM VW China, so they are probably good quality.

So if you decide that you'd like to repair your original module, here are a couple of good sets of instructions for the general repair process:
Please note that these instructions are old and don't reflect the latest thought about microswitches.

The ideal replacement microswitch would be sealed, lever-operated, and mount in the original mounting holes (non-standard location and spacing). Some have used magnetic proximity switches with great success, but I didn't look into this option enough to document it here.

Whichever kind of switch is used, it needs to be closed (have continuity) when the door is open, and open (no connection) when the door is closed. So microswitches need to be installed using the C (common) and NO (normally open) connections.

Several switches have been proposed. Some that I do NOT recommend:
  • The original Radio Shack switch or equivalent, because it isn't sealed.
  • Johnson Electric (Burgess, SAIA) V4NSUL, because it is a pin switch, not lever operated.
  • Chinese VW OEM switch, an exact replacement of the original switch, because it still a pin switch, retaining the original design flaw.
Here are the switches I DO recommend. Both are sealed, lever-operated, and do not mount on the original holes; so they will require creative mounting (JB Weld). The Johnson switch has wire leads, while the Cherry has solder lug terminals. The Johnson is larger in size and may require some plastic trimming to make it fit. If you don't plan to open the electronics module to resolder your connections, you can clip the wires close to the original switch and solder them on the Cherry switch lugs.
A number of people in this thread used a file or dremel to slot the original mounting holes to accommodate the standard mounting holes on the replacement switch. For example and photo, see page 14 of the A4 Door Switch Replacement, 1.0 instructions. This barely leaves enough metal so that you can mount a pin-type switch with screws. However, a lever-operated switch requires more clearance; there isn't enough metal on the original bracket to mount them this way. You'll have to use another mounting method, like JB Weld.

turbocharged798 trimmed and bent the lever to make it work. HERE is his post and photo (look only at the lever; this photo shows wires hooked up wrong). This is very similar to the way VW did it in their redesigned lock module. Did they copy his design? :) I did it differently -- see my fix in post #709.

I hope this helps. None of this is my original thought but rather a summary of contributions from all of you.
 
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What would it do to just clip the wires to the switch? Would that make it think the door was always closed?
Yes, correct. You would lose:
  • Courtesy light operation with door open
  • Lights-on warning when opening the door
  • Protection against locking keys in the car
Also, if you unlock the car and then fail to do something from the inside (turn key in ignition, hit the all-unlock button on the inside armrest) within 30 seconds, the alarm will re-arm automatically. If you then forget to re-unlock the doors with the remote, the alarm will go off as soon as you turn the key in the ignition.

If you decide to do this, I recommend that you clip the wires as close as possible to the original switch, so that you can reuse the original wiring to mount the Cherry switch if you decide to do so later.
 
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As the alarm re-arms it will also auto-lock the doors... meaning it could auto-lock your keys in the car, if you stepped back into the house for a second to grab your coffee. BTDT. :eek::) And nope, the auto-locking is not something you can tune out with VCDS. Again, BTTT. :)

So, at least IMHO, cutting the wires is not a great work-around.
 

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For background and a summary of this gigantic thread, see my post #705.

Here's how I fixed my door lock module.

Damage to my original switch:


Damage to cam where the old switch pin dug through the plastic cladding. Using an X-acto knife, I cut away the loose plastic, then used a fingernail file to smooth it out; this photo is after doing this. You can't really see it, but the hole goes all the way through the plastic to the metal. (The silver metal bar on the right is my pocketknife holding the switch lever out of the way.)


turbocharged798 trimmed and bent the lever and installed his switch like this (see post #489):


Volkswagen's redesign is like unto it. The cam profile is different; note the notch on the cam to the right of the switch lever. This looks like a right door module, so everything is mirror image from the left (driver) door module photos. This photo was posted by TDIclub member my2002gti in post #598.
[photo removed since no longer available from source]

These designs probably work fine on an undamaged cam. But as you can see above, my cam has a hole in it. With the switch lever angled into the cam (like turbocharged798 has it), I was afraid it would catch in the hole at some point.

So I turned my switch around and, with the latch in the closed position, laid the lever along the flat in the cam. I also slid the switch all the way to the right:


This allows the damaged cam to rotate against a smooth, flat surface at all times; there is no danger that the lever will dig into the cam plastic. Furthermore, when the latch opens, the cam depresses the switch lever far enough for positive switching, even though it doesn't push the lever all the way down. As a bonus, I didn't have to trim or bend the lever. This is the latch in the open position; note the switch lever position compared to the photo above.

Although I did it this way because of my damaged cam, I don't see any reason not to install the switch this way even when the cam is OK. Feedback?

I smeared JB Weld on the metal of the lock frame, then carefully positioned the switch and clamped it in place overnight. (If I had thought of it, I first would have roughed up both surfaces with some medium grit sandpaper.) Then the next morning, I removed the clamp and filled in the holes in the frame with JB Weld, pushing it down in the hole with a toothpick to make sure it went all the way down.


Then I soldered the original wires to the new switch...


...and sealed the solder joints and switch terminals with epoxy putty. In this case, I used JB Weld WaterWeld, which is what I had handy.
 
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As you can see, I used the Cherry DC1C-A1LB in my repair above. I also considered using the Johnson Electric V4NSY1UL. Since the Johnson is a taller switch, it ran into the plastic frame at the bottom when I tried to slide it all the way to the right. So I made a tiny trim to the frame:


And a tiny trim to the switch:


And the switch fit perfectly.

Here's a random tip. You can remove the lever from a Cherry DC1C-A1LB and snap it onto a Johnson Electric V4NSUL to get a V4NSY1UL. That's actually what you see in the photo above.
 
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Factory replacement switches exist.

Great work here guys. I too had the switch problem on my front driver door. A quick search on ebay of all places and i found the factory switch for sale for just $12. No need to do all that modification to the lock assembly. Just splice in the new switch and click it back into place. Search ebay for "Vw micro switch" theres a left and a right side version of this switch. I believe its the same switch used on many older models.
 

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Yes. Mine had the rod portion of the switch all ate up. I just cleaned up the roller mechanism of the door lock with a razor and snapped the ebay switch into place. Works like a charm. Thanks TDI COMMUNITY......
 

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Yes. Mine had the rod portion of the switch all ate up. I just cleaned up the roller mechanism of the door lock with a razor and snapped the ebay switch into place. Works like a charm. Thanks TDI COMMUNITY......
Please let us know if how the switch lasts. It would be nice to hear an annual update, or if the switch fails again, let us know that as well.
 

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Im sure it will be another 200k miles. I have 207k now and it just failed. Its the factory switch and i did some smoothing out of the parts to make it glide better. We will see for sure tho.
 

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I just purchased this set:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/151473797640

Based on the photos, they appear to meet all criteria:

- sealed
- lever operated
- install in factory mounting holes

We'll see :eek:
Nice find. I ordered a set also...I have two more modules to repair. When I get them, I'll decide whether to use them or one of the other switches.
 

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Nice find. I ordered a set also...I have two more modules to repair. When I get them, I'll decide whether to use them or one of the other switches.


Is there a verdict on the eBay switches from Bulgaria compared to the Cherry or Johnson Electric? This would be a nice fix to do before it gets cold and the plastic gets brittle :)
 

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I've been busy -- just delivered my daughter to Grand Rapids, MI for college -- so I haven't done any more with the switches. However, we drove the wagon on the trip and I noticed that the passenger side module switch is out now. So I have need to get that done soon.
 
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