State of Maine to increase use of biodiesel

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Despite Skypup and Autodiesel best intentions to save us from ourselves, it seems the Governor of Maine has decided that our air quality is more important than the risk that some biodiesel might possibley be a potential problem for some...zzzzzzzzzzz. oh yea, here is the press release that will be used to kick off the NE leg of the Biodiesel Cross Country Relay this Wed.
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Maine Explores Biodiesel to Meet Transportation and Heating Needs

August 27, 2003

Beth A. Nagusky, Governor John E. Baldacci’s Director of Energy Independence and Security, announced at today’s biodiesel cross country relay in Freeport that Maine Department of Transportation Freeport facility took delivery of 2,500 gallons of biodiesel in June, and was planning to use greater quantities during the winter months. “Governor Baldacci wholeheartedly supports use of renewable fuels that reduce our dependence on foreign energy imports and that burn cleaner in most respects than gas and oil. Biodiesel is a win for energy independence and security and a win for the environment” said Ms. Nagusky.

In addition, Ms. Nagusky announced that the State is actively exploring use of a biodiesel blend to heat some State buildings this winter. The State has spoken with its boiler manufacturer and a biodiesel supplier, and plans to test the fuel this fall. If the tests prove positive, then the State will consider use of a B20 blend for the Augusta East Campus. The East Campus consumes nearly 500,000 gallons of heating fuel per year.

“State consumption of up to 100,000 gallons of biodiesel per year would have a dramatic impact on the demand for biodiesel in the State,” said Nagusky. “We are excited about the possibility of siting a facility sited in Maine that could convert used fryolater oil to a heating and transportation fuel.” Maine restaurants produce 1 million gallons of fryolater oil per year. Currently restaurants pay to have this oil collected and shipped out of State for processing. “Ultimately, Maine’s farmers could even grow crops that can be used as bio-fuels, further reducing our dependence on imported oil.”
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Typical Mainers...way head of the curver (or maybe around the bend).

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AutoDiesel

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Have you ever heard of the EpACT law of 1992?

Nice spin you put on "saving the environment" but the only reason they are doing it is because....
they have to by law!

EPAct

Like everything though, the government web sites are sometimes behind.

Bush administration trims ineffective, decade-old alternative fuel program
"..... the administration has quietly decided it won't force local government and private fleets to buy alternative fuel vehicles. The Department of Energy concluded such a mandate would do little to reduce gasoline use. A requirement that federal and state government fleets acquire alternative fuel vehicles stays in effect. "

Doing it for the farmers and reducing imported oil I do support! /images/graemlins/grin.gif
 

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Typical Bush Adminstation move. It obviously would interfer with his own and his buddy's oil profits

It doesn't have to be Bio, just something that helps all of us to live better
 

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Talk about a nice spin Autodiesel, did you even bother to read this statement? It talks about something the Epact law doesn't address, namely the use of biodiesel for heating state buildings. Epact only covers fleet use. Oops, that would have ruined you goal of countering all of the "propaganda" those biodiesel fanatics are spouting.

And about the the Bush administrations decision to trim the ineffective alternative fuel program...
[ QUOTE ]
| WASHINGTON -- Automakers will keep building cars and trucks capable of using alternative fuels even though the Bush administration is killing an ambitious, decade-old program to expand markets for vehicles that don't burn gasoline.

A big reason: Flexible fuel vehicles, such as those that can burn gasoline or E85, which is 85 percent ethanol and 15 percent gasoline, earn fuel economy credits for the automakers - even if owners buy only gasoline. The credits help companies comply with corporate average fuel economy standards, or CAFE.

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This talks about gassers, not biodiesel. Whats that got to do with the State of Maine using it for heating? Don't you bother reading your own postings or are you just trying to be argumentative. /images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif
 

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[ QUOTE ]
bean boy said:
Don't you bother reading your own postings or are you just trying to be argumentative. /images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif


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DING DING DING! We have a winner! You have discovered AutoDiesel's entire reason for existing: Start arguments and troll. He does this with his buddy Skypoop by the two of them posting tiny snippets of postings from OTHER message boards (hardly scientific sources) and calling them gospel, hoping people will believe them by the sheer number of times they post the SAME crap, or constantly pointing to unrealistic LAB-based fuel studies in the EU that don't even test Bio, yet he makes claims about Bio's unfitness anyway, and looks at ONE source in the EU (Germany) where the Bio is not as regulated as in the rest of Europe and points to that lack of regulation as being only because of the poor quality to begin with... While ignoring the thousands of Bio pumps in the rest of the EU that ARE regulated.

They also post information and claim to have "seen stories" yet there are never any links, to the kind of tale that would be in all the papers EVERYWHERE if it actually happened: VW having to replace 5000 engines at a cost of 20 million Euros due to bad fuel. This did not happen, it is TOTALLY UNVERIFIABLE and they have yet to post any links to the actual news item, other than Skypoop saying "Kepp searching, maybe you will find it for free" when he CLAIMS it can be found on a site that charges $75 for access to the records. Why not have told us about it when it was current? Because it never happened. If the Wall Street Journal carried this story, then so would have CNN Moneyline as well as CNN News.

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[ QUOTE ]
Talk about a nice spin Autodiesel, did you even bother to read this statement?

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Yes, I read it.

"Maine Explores Biodiesel to Meet Transportation and Heating Needs"
"August 27, 2003

Beth A. Nagusky, Governor John E. Baldacci’s Director of Energy Independence and Security, announced at today’s biodiesel cross country relay in Freeport that Maine Department of Transportation Freeport facility took delivery of 2,500 gallons of biodiesel in June, and was planning to use greater quantities during the winter months. “Governor Baldacci wholeheartedly supports use of renewable fuels that reduce our dependence on foreign energy imports and that burn cleaner in most respects than gas and oil. Biodiesel is a win for energy independence and security and a win for the environment” said Ms. Nagusky."

Last time I checked, transportation means.....
from www.m-w.com
Main Entry: trans·por·ta·tion
1 : an act, process, or instance of transporting or being transported

" In addition , Ms. Nagusky announced that the State is actively exploring use of a biodiesel blend to heat some State buildings this winter. The State has spoken with its boiler manufacturer and a biodiesel supplier, and plans to test the fuel this fall . If the tests prove positive, then the State will consider use of a B20 blend for the Augusta East Campus. The East Campus consumes nearly 500,000 gallons of heating fuel per year."


Spin, Spin, Spin.....

The 2500 gallons is for the Transportation Department . i.e. trucks and vehicles.

They are "exploring use of" and "plans to test the fuel this fall. If the tests prove positive, then the State will consider use of a B20 blend for the Augusta East Campus.

Hardly using right now. They are looking into it.
Get your facts straight.

[ QUOTE ]
This talks about gassers, not biodiesel.

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EPAct Regulations

" Welcome!
The Energy Policy Act of 1992 (EPAct) was passed by Congress to reduce our nation's dependence on imported petroleum by requiring certain fleets to acquire alternative fuel vehicles (AFVs), which are capable of operating on nonpetroleum fuels. The U.S. Department of Energy administers the regulations through the: "
"State & Alternative Fuel Provider Program
Federal Fleet Program
Alternative Fuel Petition Program
Private & Local Government Fleet Program "

Now click on alternative fuel .

Low and behold, what do you get!

EPAct Authorized Alternative Fuels
Methanol, ethanol, and other alcohols
Blends of 85% or more of alcohol with gasoline
Natural gas and liquid fuels domestically produced from natural gas
Liquefied petroleum gas (propane)
Coal-derived liquid fuels
Hydrogen and electricity
Biodiesel


Yadda, Yadda, Yadda, Yadda.
 

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I guess I have to agree with Geordi about not feeding the trolls. I'm also reminded of the old saying "never get into a pissing contest with a skunk".

It is hard to get your facts straight when somone is always trying to twist them and argue for the sake of arguing.

Like this [ QUOTE ]
And about the the Bush administrations decision to trim the ineffective alternative fuel program...

Quote:
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| WASHINGTON -- Automakers will keep building cars and trucks capable of using alternative fuels even though the Bush administration is killing an ambitious, decade-old program to expand markets for vehicles that don't burn gasoline.

A big reason: Flexible fuel vehicles, such as those that can burn gasoline or E85, which is 85 percent ethanol and 15 percent gasoline, earn fuel economy credits for the automakers - even if owners buy only gasoline. The credits help companies comply with corporate average fuel economy standards, or CAFE.


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This talks about gassers, not biodiesel. Whats that got to do with the State of Maine using it for heating? Don't you bother reading your own postings or are you just trying to be argumentative.


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You convienently focus on the fact that biodisel is included in the act. duh. But my point is that the act is being dumped because of this portion of the article you cited [ QUOTE ]
In any case, the administration has quietly decided it won't force local government and private fleets to buy alternative fuel vehicles. The Department of Energy concluded such a mandate would do little to reduce gasoline use. A requirement that federal and state government fleets acquire alternative fuel vehicles stays in effect.

The decision against expanding the mandate is an official acknowledgment of real-world reality: A lofty goal set in 1992 to have alternative fuels replace 30 percent of U.S. gasoline consumption by 2010 isn't going to happen. And so, another government effort to wean the nation from its reliance on imported oil is in tatters.


[/ QUOTE ] Notice it says Gasoline use.

[ QUOTE ]
Hardly using right now. They are looking into it.
Get your facts straight.

[/ QUOTE ] As usuall its you that doesn't have a clue, let alone the facts straight.

Thank you for looking up transportation. I already knew what it ment, but since you are obviously very easy to confuse, let me try to clarify this for you Autodiesel.

The point of the posting is that the State is exploring the use of biodiesel for heating use, which is a more substantial volume than what they have been using for transportation purposes (2,500 for DOT vs 500,000 per year for heat). Whether or not they have to use some due to the EpAct is immaterial as far as I'm concerned.

This is the important part.. [ QUOTE ]
State consumption of up to 100,000 gallons of biodiesel per year would have a dramatic impact on the demand for biodiesel in the State,” said Nagusky. “We are excited about the possibility of siting a facility sited in Maine that could convert used fryolater oil to a heating and transportation fuel.” & “Ultimately, Maine’s farmers could even grow crops that can be used as bio-fuels, further reducing our dependence on imported oil.”

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So do you now understand why your comment [ QUOTE ]
Nice spin you put on "saving the environment" but the only reason they are doing it is because....
they have to by law!

[/ QUOTE ] is so innane?

Probably not. In fact I'm willing to bet that this would go on ad nausium if you had your way. Feel free to continue to rante. I'm done feeding the trolls. /images/graemlins/cool.gif
 

AutoDiesel

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[ QUOTE ]
You convienently focus on the fact that biodisel is included in the act. duh. But my point is that the act is being dumped because of this portion of the article you cited

[/ QUOTE ]

Hardly. Believe what you want.

EPAct 92 was nothing more than a unfunded mandate by big brother to try and force alternative fueled vehicles on state and local and private fleets. And it wasn't working no matter what.

[ QUOTE ]
The point of the posting is that the State is exploring the use of biodiesel for heating use,

[/ QUOTE ]

Exploring is great. What does that have to do with TDi's?
Maybe you should be posting on......
Process Heating
 

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If you give a troll a cookie... He's going to want a glass of milk.

Then he will tell you all about how milk and the cows that produce it, are polluting the world with bovine flatulence, causing the destruction of our environment, but it will all be fixed by 2007 with the ultra-low-flatulence cow, which is now being tested in Sweden in a lab, and fed only 100% pure sulfur-free corn.

As little sense as that statement made, so too is the ramblings of a well-fed troll.

Please do not feed the trolls.


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(California) A dairy worker who heard that bovine flatulence was largely composed of methane, and potentially explosive, decided to apply the scientific method to the theory. While one of his contented cow charges was hooked up to the milking machine, he waited for the slight tail lift which dairy workers know signals an impending expulsion, generally something to avoid. Our hero struck a match. His satisfaction at seeing the resulting foot-long blue flame lasted mere seconds, before the flame was subsumed by a rectal contraction. The poor Holstein exploded, killing the worker who was struck by a flying femur bone.


"Several years ago Newsweek or Time Magazine had a short peice, including photo, about a college professor who conducted live demonstrations of the flamability of bovine discharges. Methane needs to be mixed with oxygen to burn, and the combustion needs to proceed under pressure to explode. The experiment showed a dramatic but harmless torch effect.The picture was comical." Bob McLaughlin
 
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