Stage 2 Questions Help

frenchy9991

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Hi all, I've got a cr vw tdi 6 spd manual as my daily driver that id really like to get tuned to make it zippier without going too nuts. I'd really like a malone stage 2 tune, but am wondering, is it worth it to do without doing a dpf delete? I'm not necessarily opposed to a delete but i don't want to be rolling coal or failing emissions either, I live in CT an emissions state :eek: I suppose I could rebolt the dpf on before emissions every year, and would definitely consider this route if it's a simple bolt on. So I guess my question is two fold, 1) Is the stage 2 worth it keeping the stock exhaust? and 2) Could i pull off a dpf delete without rolling coal or making emissions a total pita? Any input greatly appreciated, still very new to the tdi world and am loving the info on this site!:D
 

homer8869

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Bolting and umbolting the dpf isn't an easy straight forward job. It takes about 3-4 hours. If you have emissions I would either go with a stage 1.5 or a stage 2 and leave the dpf alone. On the other hand if you decide to remove it, you won't be rolling coal like these farm boys with their jacked up Cummins trucks. That is caused by over fueling and the Malone tunes don't do that.
 

Kman308

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+1 for Malone 1.5 and leave exhaust stock. IMHO Reinstalling DPF every 12 months would not be an economical option. Out of curiosity (and my ignorance on the subject), what do standard emissions tests entail? I know they generally do an OBD/ECU scan to look for fault codes. Anything else???
 

aullein

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go with stage 1.5 and keep stock exhaust. I currently have a stage 2 Passat NMS running with stock exhaust and has been that way for over a year (bought it that way). Once I told Malone that, he said either drop down to 1.5 or go to a DPf delete exhaust ASAP!! He said you will risk clogging up the DPF and choking out the engine which cant be good for the turbo or anything else:eek: And this was just during this week I talked to him. So if you are worried about emissions drop to 1.5 and keep stock exhaust... if not then go stage 2 but do exhaust as well from either Dieseldubs, or BuzzKen (member on this site). the option of putting the DPf on and off again is not something you should even consider IMO. PITA for sure

another option would be to contact Les at Dieseldubs ( 717 729 4176) and see if a stage 1.5 with down pipe and midpipe and keeping stock muffler would work. might be able to get best of both worlds and pass emissions that way
 

frenchy9991

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Honestly I'm not entirely sure which is one of the reasons I started this thread. If a malone tune didn't cause overfueling and I could still pass with a dpf delete, I'd be more than happy to do it. On the other hand, if there is good 'seat of the pants' gain with a stage 2 I'd be happy with that as well. The reason I'm considering the delete is, I don't want to spend a ton of money and be unsatisfied with the tune, only to spend more later on. It seems that it's more economical to do everything at once.
 

frenchy9991

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Anyone have a 1.5 or 2 with the stock exhaust? How do you like it? (I have a heavy right foot and 2nd and 3rd gear could definitely have some more POWER!!!)
 

aullein

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I don't have a golf but have a 2012 passat tdi with Malone stage 2 and stock exhaust. I have driven my parents 2014 tdi passat dsg totally stock and the tune totally wakes the car up... Smoother throttle and way more peppy!! The extra torque is the big difference. 2nd and third gear are awesome pulls when You find the sweet spot:) You have a manual so makes it even better!!! Night and day difference if you ask me
 

frenchy9991

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Nice that's what I was looking for. Aullein I was actually following your other thread about DPF Delete which is what prompted me to write this one hah. Did you decide to retune for Regen's or do the delete?
 

aullein

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Nice that's what I was looking for. Aullein I was actually following your other thread about DPF Delete which is what prompted me to write this one hah. Did you decide to retune for Regen's or do the delete?
going with the delete. After writing back and forth with Mark he made it clear to me that going stage 2 should be accompanied by an exhaust swap as well. the two go hand in hand.

Now he also said my dpf might last another year or more... who knows... I'm kinda the guinea pig right no:eek:
 

frenchy9991

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Anyone from CT or any other emissions state running a DPF delete? How have you gotten around emissions each year? Also anyone else running a stage 2 with stock exhaust? Thanks for all the replies just trying to do my homework before i break the wallet open
 

GarrettTDI

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Just installed the Rawtek full exhaust and running the Malone Stage 2 I live in Mass, I spoke with Mike (413 Auto Agawam, Ma.) before the purchase of everything and there are no CEL and the OBD 2 status will read ready. SoI pulled the trigger, I had Mike take care of the tuning. Been loving it since I finished the install Tuesday. soooo nice. Go for it!!
 

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Currently waiting for mine to show up, should be here Thursday ;-) car only has 48 miles lol.

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zxcv1000

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dpf delete and stage 2, I would never go back....With regards to emissions can you leave the dpf delete on and reflash back to the stock tune just for the test?
 

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dpf delete and stage 2, I would never go back....With regards to emissions can you leave the dpf delete on and reflash back to the stock tune just for the test?

Nope.

PS.Your signature pic needs updating.
 

frenchy9991

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I thought I'd settled on keeping the stock exhaust but now I can't decide! Anyone attempt an emissions test with the delete? I just got my emissions done today so I've got another two years, but I know when the time comes I'm NOT going to want to put the whole damn thing back on haha.
 

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I have the stock muffler with a full rawtek delete. I also have there resonator installed, I guarantee you won't pass if your deleted. They inspect the car for the emission equipment and on top of that you can really smell the diesel fuel after you delete and tune the car.

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I am here to help!!!!

Diesel vehicles that are model year 1997 and newer and less than 8,501 lbs. will receive the On-Board Diagnostic test (OBD).

http://ctemissions.com/test-procedures/tests-for-diesel-powered-vehicles

If your vehicle is a 1996 or older diesel-powered OR between 8,501LBS and 10,000LBS (1997 and newer), it will be tested using either the Loaded Mode Diesel (LMD) opacity test using the dynamometer or Modified Snap Acceleration (MSA) test. The diesel tests use an opacity meter to measure the density of smoke from a vehicle’s tailpipe.

So, see how it says or... so if its 8501+ and 2007+ then it will get a snap test.

But, if its less than 8501+ but 2007+ then it will only get a OBD2 test.
 
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Lightflyer1

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and then there is this to contend with:

"Your vehicle will be visually inspected for the presence of the catalytic converter, which was originally installed by the vehicle’s manufacturer. The catalytic converter is a post-combustion control device that converts toxic exhaust emissions from your vehicle’s engine into non-toxic substance. It must be fully intact for your vehicle to be considered for an emissions test.
Removal of or tampering with a catalytic converter is a federal offense. If your vehicle is missing a catalytic converter, it will fail the emissions test."

You shouldn't even get to the emissions test if you fail the visual inspection.


http://ctemissions.com/test-procedures/catalytic-converter-functional-check
 

Lightflyer1

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It is under the "Test Procedures" => "Catalytic Convertor Functional Check" Which isn't under the gas portion either. Does your car have a catalytic convertor on it? Yes it does. What makes you think it won't be subject to a visual inspection just like all other catalytic convertors are? It sure doesn't say this is for gasoline powered vehicles only. If they are doing a cat check I would assume they are doing a cat check on all vehicles that have one, regardless of fuel. But I don't live there and my car is stock and my state only checks for safety items for diesels and no emissions checks at all.
 

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It looks like there is a market for people who need an exhaust system that is segmented to allow for smog related equipment to be bolted and unbolted in a timely manner so that testing can be done when necessary. Is there any company working on complying with this market?

I am getting ready to get a Malone stage 2 with a delete on my 2010 jetta when the dpf or any other smof related item dies. I understand the dpf will eventually choke itself out of life, and replacement is expensive. It would be nice to have an after market exhaust with all ofthe needed equipment to be legal, if only for a day.
 

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I falied to mention that I would like to retain all of the advantages of the Stage 2 tune with a better performing (or atleast seemlingly so) exhaust system. I do consider ease of installation as a criteria of better performance.
 

frenchy9991

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The visual inspection says they check for a cat but there's no mention of the dpf. If i get the downpipe I plan to either get a highflow cat and resonator or bolt onto the oem exhaust directly from the downpipe. My only worry is they'll look for the dpf, and then fail me which would be a HUGE PITA and also very expensive. (I talked to the technician he said the emissions test is automatically sent to the state and the removal of a cat would automatically render the car unregistered) He didn't seem to know what a dpf was though...
 
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