SSCTDO (TDI Club Secret Society of Chevy TD owners)

[Campbellonh]

So who's gonna start the next SSCCTDO (TDIClub Secret Society of Chevy Cruze TD Owners) thread. Or any other Non-VAG Group models for that matter.

OK, I think I will, but I will make it for just Chevy, since it seems they will be offering more than a Cruze TD. Plagiarizing is acceptable in a post, it seems, so here it goes.

This is an invitation to all members who are currently hiding in the shadows, too frightened by the VW fanaticism to show themselves publicly for who they really are - Chevy owners!

So I say fear not! Show your dual-brand ownership with pride! Post a picture! And stand up for what you believe in and join the TDIClub Secret Society of Chevy TD Owners.

Here is a picture of mine. I know, maybe not the best day to take a picture, I will post more when the weather is better.

 

[REDNECKDZL]

I secretly want a Chevy Colorado or GMC Canyon baby D-max

Does that make me a bad person?

 

[jnecr]

So when I see a Cruze on the street, how do I identify it as a diesel or not? Do the diesels have a TD badge? I've always wondered if the Cruze I'm looking at on the road is diesel and I just don't know it.

 

[DubFamily]

They have a diesel badge on the back:

Interestingly; as of right now there are more BMW owners in this thread than either Volkswagen or Chevrolet owners...

 

[vwgtiglx]

So when I see a Cruze on the street, how do I identify it as a diesel or not? Do the diesels have a TD badge? I've always wondered if the Cruze I'm looking at on the road is diesel and I just don't know it.

If you observe the wheels in the above picture of the 2014 Cruze Diesel, you would see that they were unique to that model for 2014-15 model years. The badge, you would need a microscope to see. Besides, the gas ECO model also has the same shape green emblem without the 2.0 TD on it.

 

[jnecr]

If you observe the wheels in the above picture of the 2014 Cruze Diesel, you would see that they were unique to that model for 2014-15 model years. The badge, you would need a microscope to see. Besides, the gas ECO model also has the same shape green emblem without the 2.0 TD on it.

Thanks I guess I'll have to start looking at their wheels more.

 

[jnecr]

Interestingly; as of right now there are more BMW owners in this thread than either Volkswagen or Chevrolet owners...

I still have my 2010 Golf TDI, haven't finished the buyback yet. I don't drive it around much anymore, but it's still ready for service.

 

[vwgtiglx]

Thanks I guess I'll have to start looking at their wheels more.

You might get a little dizzy if you try doing that when the car is moving.

 

[mrchill]

I keep my Tdis for car driving...but I have been driving GMC turbodiesel trucks for years. I may test drive the new cruz just for kicks...I didnt really like the original...but this one may be better.

 

[n1das]

I secretly want a Chevy Colorado or GMC Canyon baby D-max

Does that make me a bad person?

I wouldn't mind owning a Chevy Colorado with the diesel option. Does the baby D'Max use a timing belt, chain, or gears? After dealing with a timing belt failure in my 05 PD JWagen TDI back in 2009, I'm a bit gun-shy toward owning anything with a timing belt.

 

[vwgtiglx]

I wouldn't mind owning a Chevy Colorado with the diesel option. Does the baby D'Max use a timing belt, chain, or gears? After dealing with a timing belt failure in my 05 PD JWagen TDI back in 2009, I'm a bit gun-shy toward owning anything with a timing belt.

Timing Chain is used in the Colorado/Canyon.

 

[kjclow]

I secretly want a Chevy Colorado or GMC Canyon baby D-max

Does that make me a bad person?

Yes, it makes you a bad person. Just like me. I currently own an 07 canyon with only 60k miles on it, so I am having a hard time even starting the justification conversation with my wife.

 

[IndigoBlueWagon]

Good choice! Greg, our GM specialist, is adding Cruze products to IDParts daily. These cars are proving to be pretty durable and trouble-free. Hope you enjoy it!

Cruze has a timing belt. 100K mile interval.

 

[tikal]

Good choice! Greg, our GM specialist, is adding Cruze products to IDParts daily. These cars are proving to be pretty durable and trouble-free. Hope you enjoy it!

Cruze has a timing belt. 100K mile interval.

Good deal for the reliability feedback. How about Cruze diesel independent mechanics out there. I would assume the choices are very limited nationwide.

 

[k1xv]

Good deal for the reliability feedback. How about Cruze diesel independent mechanics out there. I would assume the choices are very limited nationwide.

Unlike BMW, MB, Audi and some VW dealers, Chevy dealers usually do not charge an arm and a leg for service, and they may know a little about diesels as they have been servicing Duramax trucks for years.

Plus, a lot of Bosch components, I assume.

 

[TDIMeister]

OK, I think I will, but I will make it for just Chevy, since it seems they will be offering more than a Cruze TD. Plagiarizing is acceptable in a post, it seems, so here it goes.

This is an invitation to all members who are currently hiding in the shadows, too frightened by the VW fanaticism to show themselves publicly for who they really are - Chevy owners!

So I say fear not! Show your dual-brand ownership with pride! Post a picture! And stand up for what you believe in and join the TDIClub Secret Society of Chevy TD Owners.

Here is a picture of mine. I know, maybe not the best day to take a picture, I will post more when the weather is better.

Happy that you've taken this up. An AWD Cadillac CTS-V wagon with a diesel and manual transmission might interest me.

 

[IndigoBlueWagon]

Good deal for the reliability feedback. How about Cruze diesel independent mechanics out there. I would assume the choices are very limited nationwide.

We don't know of any that specialize in the Cruze as of yet, but I don't think the car is that complex. Very much like a CR TDI. The engine is a bit of a Frankenstein creation of parts from various manufacturers, but it seems to work fine.

 

[Campbellonh]

Unlike BMW, MB, Audi and some VW dealers, Chevy dealers usually do not charge an arm and a leg for service, and they may know a little about diesels as they have been servicing Duramax trucks for years.

Plus, a lot of Bosch components, I assume.

My experience with the local Chevy dealer here so far has been very positive, especially compared to the VW dealer. We did have a sensor go bad, and were about 1000 past the warranty and they said since it was so close they would cover it anyway, not to worry.

 

[ssamalin]

We don't know of any that specialize in the Cruze as of yet, but I don't think the car is that complex. Very much like a CR TDI. The engine is a bit of a Frankenstein creation of parts from various manufacturers, but it seems to work fine.

The new Cruze diesel has sophisticated technology such as improved injection systems that make it not only efficient but quiet. It's going to be a sensation.

Quoting GoFaster:

"The GM diesel indeed has a relatively low compression ratio (16:1). Most late model diesels are in this range, VW included, GM larger diesels included.

Multiple injection strategy is also now commonplace in general but I'm sure they have added refinements and worked on the calibration ... a lot. The capability of using multiple injection shots is not new but injectors that can open and close faster and computers that can process signals faster have increased the number of multiple shots that can be given - evidently they are now up to 10. This adds more tuning flexibility (good) but taking advantage of that tuning flexibility in the best manner ... is not easy to figure out.

Variable displacement oil pumps with electronically controlled pressure/volume regulation are in several late model engines (and transmissions), not just this one. In the old days, oil pumps had a fixed displacement and there was a pressure relief valve with a fixed setting and both the displacement and the pressure relief valve setting had to be set to worst-case conditions, but this wastes power because an unnecessary amount of oil is being pumped to an unnecessarily high pressure and a lot of it spilled out of the relief valve. The new oil pumps are an eccentric vane design and in some cases an electrical solenoid valve regulates the pressure that it self-adjusts its displacement in order to achieve. The pump only pumps what it has to and only to the pressure that it has to. There is still a relief valve but the idea is that much less goes through it. This makes a real difference. (Automatic transmissions are starting to use pumps like this, too.)

http://stackpole.com/powertrain-syst...nents/systems/

Variable-vane turbochargers are not new, either, but a lot of the trickery is in the control systems and the calibration.

The drag coefficient of the Cruze is 0.28, which helps. (note that the big impressive number is the highway number; the city number isn't anything special)

The GM engine is smaller displacement than the TDI engine that VW sold in North America and smaller than what Mazda is bringing. Less friction, less area for heat transfer in the cylinders - it all helps.

It surprises me that the manual has a highway rating so much better than the automatic does - that's not the norm nowadays. And this is GM's new-fangled 9-speed automatic (which is different from the ZF-derived transmission that Chrysler uses). I don't know much about the GM 9-speed."

 

[IndigoBlueWagon]

I was referring to the '14-15 Cruze. And as GoFaster states several times, none of the technology in either the older or new engine is particularly unusual. FWIW my '93 M-B has a .29 drag coefficient. Only driving and time will tell how well the Cruze diesel performs.

 

[ssamalin]

I was referring to the '14-15 Cruze. And as GoFaster states several times, none of the technology in either the older or new engine is particularly unusual. FWIW my '93 M-B has a .29 drag coefficient. Only driving and time will tell how well the Cruze diesel performs.

The 17 is said to be distinctly quiet, acheived by as GoFaster said "Multiple injection strategy is also now commonplace in general but I'm sure they have added refinements and worked on the calibration ... a lot." It seems to be an exciting new level of diesel tech, more so that it's served up by Detroit. Chevy may be putting together that Fiat or whatever from the Cruze with their Duramax smarts. All sounds like good news for a change.

 

[IndigoBlueWagon]

I guess we'll see how quiet it is. I believe the engine is from Italy.

 

[kjclow]

I remember reading that the canyon diesels use special engine mounting dampeners to help keep the noise and vibration out of the cab. maybe the new cruise is using some of the same technology.

 

[ssamalin]

I remember reading that the canyon diesels use special engine mounting dampeners to help keep the noise and vibration out of the cab. maybe the new cruise is using some of the same technology.

I read that it was the injection refinement that led to more efficiency and quiet. Maybe using dampeners too.

 

[German_1er_diesel]

I guess we'll see how quiet it is. I believe the engine is from Italy.

Isn't this the same 1.6 diesel we are seeing in various Opels now?
Consistently noisiest in every comparison test I've seen.

Unless they are throwing more sound insulation at the Cruze than the Astra, the "whisper diesel" thing is just marketing.

 

[IndigoBlueWagon]

Isn't this the same 1.6 diesel we are seeing in various Opels now?
Consistently noisiest in every comparison test I've seen.
Unless they are throwing more sound insulation at the Cruze than the Astra, the "whisper diesel" thing is just marketing.

This. Hearing the engine will tell.

 

[k1xv]

Maybe the interior is equipped with a Bose noise cancelling system

 

[ssamalin]

Isn't this the same 1.6 diesel we are seeing in various Opels now?
Consistently noisiest in every comparison test I've seen.
Unless they are throwing more sound insulation at the Cruze than the Astra, the "whisper diesel" thing is just marketing.

Same, but now has better injector technology that quieted it for the new gen.

 

[GoFaster]

The 1.6 showing up now has been around in Europe for a while. "Whisper diesel" is the marketing folks working overtime. Most newer diesels are pretty quiet compared to how they were a few years ago ... everyone else has access to the technology, too. But some of the gasoline direct-injection engines have a touch of similar diesel-like clattering, as well.

"Quiet" is relative. Take any modern diesel and park it beside a 1990s-era 12-valve Cummins ... it's quiet.

 

[booty]

The TD Cruze is out there now. Found this one under $21,000
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/detail/696929890/overview/