solicitiing opinions: jsw vs passat wagon

bigEZ

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hi,

i have an '05 passat wagon. love the car. i'm at 78k miles, and i'm to the point where i will soon have to replace the bs module, a $3000 job or so (that's counting the timing belt change).

while i love that car and will pay for the upgrade, i've been recently thinking about the sportswagen. mainly, i miss having a manual transmission, and the sportswagen could fill this desire for me.

so, i'm soliciting the opinion of those in this forum who have had or have driven both. do you prefer one over the other? what about the size/cargo capacity? handling? for those of you who have switched, would you do it over?

any opinions and insight are appreciated. thanx!
 

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The VW dealer didn't want me to put any more miles on the Subaru I was trading in, so he took the car and gave me a Passat Sedan as a loaner for 3 days while waiting for the bank to cut my finance check.

The Passat was quite nice, tight, quiet and quite Luxe. It felt like a very expensive car. I was looking forward to my little Sportwagen with a stick, but was afraid it would seem cheap and vanilla in comparison.

Nope. The Jetta is as quiet, its ride is as supple (if not more so), the handling is sharp and everything looks and feels like a much more expensive car. The TDI performs about as well as the gasV6 on the loaner.

The main difference I see is in the front seats. On the Passat, they were quite roomy, with good support but not much bolstering. On the Jetta they are quite a bit narrower, with bolstering not only on the bottom but also the back. I find them perfectly comfortable, especially on longer drives, but larger people may not.

Other than that, I don't think a Passat to Jetta move will seem like a step down at all.

P.
 

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bigEZ said:
hi,

i have an '05 passat wagon. love the car. i'm at 78k miles, and i'm to the point where i will soon have to replace the bs module, a $3000 job or so (that's counting the timing belt change).

while i love that car and will pay for the upgrade, i've been recently thinking about the sportswagen. mainly, i miss having a manual transmission, and the sportswagen could fill this desire for me.

so, i'm soliciting the opinion of those in this forum who have had or have driven both. do you prefer one over the other? what about the size/cargo capacity? handling? for those of you who have switched, would you do it over?

any opinions and insight are appreciated. thanx!
Iv'e owned both a 2.0T 2008 Passat wagon and 2010 JSW TDI. If you can live with the automatic and the lesser fuel economy, the Passat is the better car. It's bigger, built better, has way more storage space*, and quite honestly, I felt that even the base model had better thought out options than my fully loaded JSW TDI. the Passat can also be had much more cheaply than the JSW TDI.

If you can't live without a stick like me, then you will not be happy with any car that does not have one.

That bieng said, the JSW TDI is still a great little car that gets great mileage, handles well, has an acceptable level of power, and is probably the last german stick shift wagon that you can buy in this backward country. I do not recommend the pano sunroof, though. If I wanted that much noise and groaning while I drive, I'd keep my mother-in-law in the car.

* I know that the specs on the JSW TDI says it has more storage volume than the Passat. maybe if you fill it with water, then that's true. If you fill it with actual things that you'd carry in a car, there's way less room in the Jetta.
 

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I like them both, but honestly the B5 is still a more substantial car. Just more "substance" to its underbody and such. Sucks that we had to get a slushbox though, I feel your pain there :mad: .

But, the A5 and A6 are still no tinkertoy, and certainly have their merits with regards to some of the different features you can get on them if that is your sort of thing (Bluetooth, Dynaudio, etc.).

I personally am not nearly as much of a fan of the current wagons as they changed the shape of them so much that I do not think they have the utility the older cars did (this goes for both A and B segment cars, but the current B segment cars do not even have a diesel engine option for us, so....).
 

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thanx for the responses. i've been perfectly happy with the passat except for the transmission. while fine on the hwy, the car just feels like a dog in the city. it's too quirky. even with RC2 -- which has helped things out tremendously -- city driving is not a very pleasant experience.

what about ride and handling? anyone have any insights there? i've always felt the passat rides like a tank and is supremely smooth on the highway but tends to wallow more than i would like on turns. how does the jsw do with cornering? i'm not looking for a sports car, obviously, just curious.

i'm going to test drive a jsw in a couple of weeks when i get the time. if i like the car and can get the money i want out of the passat, who knows. if i keep the passat, i'll be coming to see you in july, oilhammer. the car's not too noisy, yet, but i'll definitely be taking care of the bs/oil pump conversion soon if i keep it.
 

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I prefer the RC1 tune with the BHW myself. Better overall driveability. I also have my TCM recoded to 1134.

A set of Billies will transform the handling of the car, too, if you choose.
 

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Just wanted to let you know that I am in a similar dilemma although I am starting with neither (Toyota Sienna). I am test driving the JSW but fear that going from a van to the JSW will simply feel too squished. I have wanted a Passat since 1992 when I bought an Accord wagon because there were no sunroofs in Passats available (and I had no idea how good an aftermarket one could be; I got one in my 2000 Odyssey and the job was perfect and they used Hollandia sunroofs) and I swore my second car would have one. But, that TDI mileage is very seductive... So.. If the JSW won't cut it, I am going to wait for the Passat TDI and hope it comes before much of 2011 goes by.

Sundowner's info is much appreciated.
 

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I test drove the JSW and PW back to back not long ago. Other than the drive train difference, they feel like twins. The B5.5 feels like a much more substantial car. I also like the under stated elegence of the B5.5- somewhat minimalist, but very well made. In a way the B5.5 reminds me of the 80's MB diesels- solid comfort, but not a lot of bells and whistles.
 

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We have both

We have both wagons. I sold an 02 Jetta Wagon to get the 09 wagon. Here are a few comments

1. On the 09 Jetta wagon, I like the DSG and the engine is great. Space is smaller. Engine is quieter, stronger, and more efficient. I like the Sirius radio and added on Fiscon bluetooth.

2. The Passat wagon is bigger, heavier, and more substantial. I wouldnt mind driving it for five more years. I wish they put the new engine in this Passat or any year Passat. I do not like the sunroof, it leaked once. I do not get great mileage in the city, about 28. But for long trips on the highway, I get 36 to 38 mpg.

3. I Believe the suspension on the Jetta Wagon is better.
 

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Felicity said:
Just wanted to let you know that I am in a similar dilemma although I am starting with neither (Toyota Sienna). I am test driving the JSW but fear that going from a van to the JSW will simply feel too squished. I have wanted a Passat since 1992 when I bought an Accord wagon because there were no sunroofs in Passats available (and I had no idea how good an aftermarket one could be; I got one in my 2000 Odyssey and the job was perfect and they used Hollandia sunroofs) and I swore my second car would have one. But, that TDI mileage is very seductive... So.. If the JSW won't cut it, I am going to wait for the Passat TDI and hope it comes before much of 2011 goes by.

Sundowner's info is much appreciated.
We have a '07 Sienna & '10 JSW. JSW replaced a '96 2 dr Civic. Commuter car & family van. Commuter can (with JSW upgrade) comfortablly carry both kids + dog in back on weekends. But...for moving furniture, 5+ people, family trips with dog+luggage, the minivan wins hands-down. I wish wife would drive a commuter and we would rent a van/truck as needed...but it doesn't fit with our lifestyle.

The point of my post is...if you have/need/want a van and try to put a JSW in it's place, you will be dissapointed. The JSW is a fine car, flexible, utilitarian, can haul a bunch, great economy, great build quality...but recognize it for what it is...a 1.5 ton wagon, not a 3 ton van. Don't expect it to pull the same duty as the van, because it cannot.

Cheers
 

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oilhammer said:
Yeah, that is why I keep a Vanagon in the oilhammer stable. :D
I learned to drive/took my 1st driver's test on a '78 VW pop-top van in '85. I believe it was the year or so before they started calling them "vanagon"s. My JSW is my 1st VW since. Took the '78 around the country in both directions...clockwise and counter...Mom was a teacher...summers off...camping all the way. The 260 hp all-power v6 of the Sienna is nothing like the 4-cy 110 hp '78 with neither power steering nor breaks...and marginal A/C. Lovin' the JSW TDI.


BTW...what is "A set of Billies "? from an earlier post? I guessed tires but Google didn't get me far...
 
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JKC_NC said:
...nothing like the 4-cy 110 hp '78 with neither power steering nor breaks...and marginal A/C.
That's not bad for a 'Type 2' microbus. Many of the earlier ones had 1600cc engines that made something like 65hp, the same engines shared with the Beetles.

0 to 60? Yeah, eventually. :)

As I recall, the engines in later busses like yours were higher-power ones essentially shared with the Porsche 914.
 

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That's not bad for a 'Type 2' microbus. Many of the earlier ones had 1600cc engines that made something like 65hp, the same engines shared with the Beetles.

0 to 60? Yeah, eventually. :)

As I recall, the engines in later busses like yours were higher-power ones essentially shared with the Porsche 914.

Well....I just made up the 110 hp thing...I have no idea about the actual power, but it was tons less than wife's sienna.... The VW microbus poptop had nearly horizontal steering wheel, a long-shafted 4-speed stick, a full-sized spare on the nose no power nothing (ac, breakes, windows), but did have in-built CB radio. We broke down every trip, but managed to get running each break-down in a day or so.....

good memories......hiking down the grand canyon 12th b-day....
 

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I took a '73 Bug, rebuilt it and made it into a Baja Bug, so I know of what you speak. Loved that car. I'm surprised you had A/C. I didn't even have heat! :)
 

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The '1600' Transporter was last imported in 1971, and that engine made 60hp (SAE gross) or about 46hp (SAE net, which is what we go by today). And while the 1.6L continued as a standard engine in other markets well into the '80s, we never saw them again. 1971 was also the last year we saw commercial type Transporters here (thank you, Chicken Tax :rolleyes: ).

In 1972, the 1.7L Type 4 engine (from the 411/914) was fitted to all US-bound T2s, and it made 63hp net. A year later, a bump to 1.8L (went to a little larger bore, but still had the 66mm stroke which was why these engines were rather torqueless down low compared to the 1.6L with a 69mm stroke). In 1975, as well as 1974 CA/automatic T2s, they added Bosch L-jet EFI thankfully to replace the troublesome twin carbs of the first Type 4 engines. Both twin carb and EFI 1.8L make 65hp net.

In 1976, they went ahead and placed a detuned version of the 2.0L Type 4 engine, from the 914 2.0, in the T2. It only made 67hp, but with its signifigantly longer stroke had considerably more low end torque, with a peak of 105. However, the tiny valves placed in the heads (vs. the giant ones in the 914 as well as 912E) kept its revs lower. The 914 2.0 made 85hp thanks to those bigger valves, different higher compression pistons, and a different camshaft. But that engine also never had to move a box through the air ;) .

In 1978, they added hydraulic lifters for export models (USA/Canada) as well as some other markets. The Transporter engine of choice in Germany was still the 1.6L. In 1979, they changed the exhaust ports on the heads, which meant the entire exhaust system was a little different, and since in 1980 the T3 came out, which was totally different again, it made the 1979 exhaust parts unique and quite expensive.

The T3 (called the 'Vanagon' here, for van-wagon) used a modified 2.0L Type 4 engine still making 67hp, and they sold that here through the first 4 months of the 1983 model year, then giving way to the 87hp 1.9L "waterboxer" engine (another story). The T3 was also available with a diesel, but that was only sold here from 1981 through 1983, and is essentially a detuned 1.6L diesel engine from the FWD cars, layed on its side, making 48hp (yeah, THOSE are slow).

My 2.0L 1982 Vanagon can cruise comfortably at 70 MPH all day long, and can be asked to go to 80 if needed to pass someone but I rarely push it that hard. It does lose some steam on the hills, but I have used it frequently to tow cars and carry some really heavy loads (stuff that would bend a Sienna in half). Of course, I have done a few mods to its engine when I overhauled it a few years ago, but it still probably only makes 80hp or so.

The only "issue" with it is that it has no air conditioner, it never had it, and even when they did it was just a lame added on thing that was not very good anyways. Got great heat so long as you are moving, though, and is the nicer GL trim level with 2-tone paint, velour seats with inlays in the doors, etc. :p
 

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We purchased our wagon the Feb and are pleased after a number of trips the longest NY to Florida . To me it all comes down to your driving needs and mostly fuel costs and resale value.We drove both vehicles back to back and the Passat meets our needs and so far could not be happier. Mileage has been good HW 33 but I still have my 98 Jetta TDI with 250 k.I had a hard time with the price of TDI sportswagon verses the Passat wagon there was not much difference in price and more standard obtains with the Passat for maybe 1k and we were able to get 1.9..
 

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I debated the same question...

...and made the switch from an '05 TDI wagon to '10 JSW TDI just last night.
My experience with the Jetta is obviously very limited. But the manual trans is great, I missed that when I sold my '96 TDI wagon to get the '05.
The ride is quite a bit sportier - less body roll and steering input is more direct. The interior is definitely smaller, not a whole lot, but there are fewer places to stow things up front. The seats are firmer with more side bolstering; the seat bottoms actually seem kind of hard. The sound system is pretty flexible, with lots of choices for input. The huge sunroof is a nice feature; I wonder how durable its mechanism (and the screen's) is.

Rod
 

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rod,

thanx for the input. would you mind giving me an update after a few weeks of use? my schedule is keeping me from getting to the dealership to test drive one, so in the meantime i'm trying to gather as much info as possible.

from everything i'm hearing so far, it sounds like the jsw is smaller in the backseat and that the front seats are firmer/narrower than the passat. if anyone has any input on the cargo space, passat wagon vs jsw, i would appreciate it. that is one of the main things that would factor into my decision, although i'll prolly finally break down and get a cargo box for up top (always been meaning to with the passat but never have).

thanx again for all the input!
 

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Never had a Passat wagon, just the 05 Passat TDI sedan. It is a great touring car. Longer wheel base, similar to the old Audi A6. Very comfortable. Great back seat. 5 speed auto was great. OK in town. Moved on to the 2010 Golf wagon or JSW down south. Tons of room. Yes seats are a little tighter, driving position is a little tighter,DSG is snappy, I would never consider a manual now. Rear seat a little tight, but with the rear seats down it is all I need. Bikes, golf clubs, junk…..If the A3 wasn’t so expensive I would think that is all I need. Love it.
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bigEZ said:
rod,

thanx for the input. would you mind giving me an update after a few weeks of use? my schedule is keeping me from getting to the dealership to test drive one, so in the meantime i'm trying to gather as much info as possible.

from everything i'm hearing so far, it sounds like the jsw is smaller in the backseat and that the front seats are firmer/narrower than the passat. if anyone has any input on the cargo space, passat wagon vs jsw, i would appreciate it. that is one of the main things that would factor into my decision, although i'll prolly finally break down and get a cargo box for up top (always been meaning to with the passat but never have).

thanx again for all the input!
the cargo spaces are "different" between the Passat and JSW. the JSW technically has more storage volume in the cargo area than the passat, but only if you intend to fill the car with water. the JSW has buches of cubbies and storage trays in the back that the Passat does not, and that's where the volume advantage comes from. The raw cargo space area above the deck line and between the wheel wells is much larger in the Passat. It really depends what you typically carry about with you. Coming from an 08 Passat, I sometimes curse unholy fits at the JSW cargo area on long family trips becuase bulky bags do not jive well with the trunk area. But I also am very pleased with the hidden cargo areas under the floor deck of the JSW. They do come in handy, but don't be fooled by the brochure volume numbers
 

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sundowner, are you comparing the jsw to an 08 passat wagon or an 04-05 passat wagon? the b6, as i understand it, is bigger than the b5.5. i've read alot of different posts/reviews that say the jsw is just about as big as the b5.5 wagon. but the shape of the cargo area would of course have an impact on real-world storage. that's what i'm trying to figure out.
 

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bigEZ said:
sundowner, are you comparing the jsw to an 08 passat wagon or an 04-05 passat wagon? the b6, as i understand it, is bigger than the b5.5. i've read alot of different posts/reviews that say the jsw is just about as big as the b5.5 wagon. but the shape of the cargo area would of course have an impact on real-world storage. that's what i'm trying to figure out.
I'm comparing to an 08 wagon. My JSW is without any doubt bigger than my neighbor's B5.5.
 

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Sundowner said:
I'm comparing to an 08 wagon. My JSW is without any doubt bigger than my neighbor's B5.5.
Hmmm, I have my doubts about that. Passenger space feels bigger to me in the 5.5 vs JSW. When I test drove the JSW, I thought that the JSW felt like it was in between the A4 wagon and 5.5. The 5.5 has a significantly longer wheelbase and feels a bit wider. Maybe I missed something? I like the size of my 5.5. The JSW seemed just a little too small. A study of interior dimensions should be revealing. Storage bins are definitely much superior on the Jettas- door pockets, glove box, spare tire well. I also miss the sunglasses holder vs grab handle above driver's door. Passat seats are definitely more comfy. JSW is an excellent value. I have concerns about the emissions complexity of JSW.
 

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Hmmm, I have my doubts about that. Passenger space feels bigger to me in the 5.5 vs JSW. When I test drove the JSW, I thought that the JSW felt like it was in between the A4 wagon and 5.5. The 5.5 has a significantly longer wheelbase and feels a bit wider. Maybe I missed something? I like the size of my 5.5. The JSW seemed just a little too small. A study of interior dimensions should be revealing. Storage bins are definitely much superior on the Jettas- door pockets, glove box, spare tire well. I also miss the sunglasses holder vs grab handle above driver's door. Passat seats are definitely more comfy. JSW is an excellent value. I have concerns about the emissions complexity of JSW.
A lot of people have concerns about the emissions complexity, including the freaky double EGR system and the DPF that the manual intonates might need a $2k replacement at 120k miles.
or it might not.
or it might be 100k miles as per the dealer's service schedule.
or it might not.
but if you do replace it at 120k or 100k miles, then you MUST replace it at 220k or 200k miles, depending on which literature you read. that part is certain :confused:

I don't get that. Regardless, it IS a fun little car. I do miss the power advantage of the 2.0T, but it's nice to fill the car up only twice a month.
 
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I reviewed the dimensions on the B5.5 and JSW. The dimensions and interior measurements are nearly identical- I'm surprised. The 5.5 has a little more passenger volume and the JSW a bit more cargo space. 5.5 is 250lbs heavier and 5" longer overall + 5" more wheelbase. The 2 certainly differ in driving experience.
 
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