Sold my TDI - This is why......

lupin..the..3rd

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Rob_from_Elkmont said:
That is the biggest spread I have seen between RUG and diesel. Around my area, it varies between 10%-15% between the two, with diesel being more expensive of course.
Agreed, that's nuts. Here in DC, I pay $4.60 for diesel (B20 blend) and $4.20 for Premium gas. (I don't have any cars that take regular unleaded)

I agree that the gov't really should step in here and decrease the taxes on diesel fuel. They can increase the taxes on gasoline to compensate.
 

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lupin..the..3rd said:
I agree that the gov't really should step in here and decrease the taxes on diesel fuel. They can increase the taxes on gasoline to compensate.
That will never, ever happen. That would anger a mjority of voters. It's far asier tho piss off the diesel drivers; they're a minority voting block.
 

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RobbieTDI said:
another torrance station, and torrance is a "cheaper" area for fuel, see the mobil refinery in the background. i think the $5-6 step is going to go down even faster than it took us to get from 4-5.
I suspect this is due to Valero. Ie that prices in CA are sooo high for ULSD. Or such a large spread compared to other places. You know they have been having legal issues and had to shut down some plants there for unplanned maintenance...

Costs here are $3.75-3.79 RUG, and 4.49-4.59 ULSD. This is just near my home where prices are normaly a bit lower.

Bob_Fout said:
Bio cheaper than dino? That's almost unheard of. Seems like bio continues to be more than dino in most places. I'd *love* to find bio for cheaper than dino.
Yep this is true... All depends on the area. Just paid $4.25 for B100 in Houston as I said above prices here for ULSD are quite a bit more.

BTW was talking to a freind with a 2006 3 series BMW (16-20 MPG) she said she paid $4.39 for premium gas today in an expensive area....:eek: I almost laughed, but stoped myself, as not to rub it in, and then told her I only paid $4.25 and she knows I get good milage too, no need to tell her and rub it in more.

She then started asking me about how to calculate if taking the bus would be cheaper than driving to work... I said yes, sure let me help you with that. We also talked about riding a bike etc, or motorcycle. She only has a 7 mile drive to work.

FL2AK-tdi said:
We decided to just keep sharing my TDI. We're not going ot try to buy in a seller's market like that. The only reason there was a push for second car (from her, not me) was that my son is visisiting in June and she wanted the convenience. If we can get through June on one car (which, apparently we'll have to) then forget it, we'll jus stay a one car family.

I keep telling myself that this would have never happened at "my Honda dealership" that I worked at.
Well if you can then do stay a 1 car family. Much cheaper anyway you slice it.
 
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McBrew said:
I'm just wondering how the heck you get 40 MPG out of a Civic? My girlfriend's Civic gets about 30 MPG, and one of my father's friends has a Civic hybrid and gets 28 MPG.
My mom gets about thirty-five out of her early nineties Civic wagon. I'd be ashamed if I got less than thirty out of any Civic.

What I can't understand is why so many people criticize rather than sympathize. The guy says he want's another TDI, why tell him to ride a bicycle? I mean really, that's just plain obnoxious.
 
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with the record profits of every US oil company, i feel it is the government's duty to step in and start regulating. it is a monopoly of very few. The government regulates so many things that they shouldnt, its time they start with somethign they should.
From a few replies back above

REPEAT!!

The US GOV recoupes 49% of the oil companies profit as TAX!. They LOVE the oil companies making mucho dinero and doing the taxing for the GOV. The GOV is keeping gas lower than diesel so they can show the voters how much they are doing for the gas guzzling John Q. voter.

It will all change in 6 months as the Airline cry babies start to lobby the GOV's new admin. (after the elections)

-- so use the next 4- months to get a newer TDI for cheap
 

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FL2AK-tdi said:
It's far asier tho piss off the diesel drivers; they're a minority voting block.
And most of them can pass off the increase in cost to customers (shipping recipients, bus riders, cost of producing food, etc.). No one is really happy about that, but they'll pay it because it's incremental for them. As passenger-vehicle drivers, we're at the end of that chain.
 

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I did not buy my TDI just for the mileage.
I will get 500,000 miles out of mine so thats two gassers there abouts.

The other cars I looked at to buy would have needed premium fuel to run as my truck does so miles per gallon or the cost of gas to diesel is not of much importance to me.

If someone has to make payments and pay for fuel Insu ect I can understand that the cost of fuel can be the last straw that brakes the bank.
Its a shame too the TDI's are good little cars.
 

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2slowtdi said:
I did not buy my TDI just for the mileage.
I will get 500,000 miles out of mine

You'll be very fortunate to get 1/2 million miles out of one of these things. From the engine perhaps, but the rest of the car will crumble all around it. VW just doesn't make a quality product anymore.


2slowtdi said:
The other cars I looked at to buy would have needed premium fuel to run


Then, isn't that kind of your own fault for choosing a car not rated for regular gas? I can't believe that they even make 91/93 octane fuel anymore. I can't believe that anyone even buys it anymore.


2slowtdi said:
If someone has to make payments and pay for fuel Insu ect I can understand that the cost of fuel can be the last straw that brakes the bank.
Its a shame too the TDI's are good little cars.
 

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FL2AK-tdi said:
You'll be very fortunate to get 1/2 million miles out of one of these things. From the engine perhaps, but the rest of the car will crumble all around it. VW just doesn't make a quality product anymore.
Seems like it's quite the opposite. Most Mk5's dont have any problems at all. Mine has never given me any trouble. Seems the mk4's had electrical problems, and once a car starts to have problems, it doesnt seem to stop. It seems this is no more an issue with the Mk5's. Maybe you should get a new one with a warranty and not worry about it.




FL2AK-tdi said:
Then, isn't that kind of your own fault for choosing a car not rated for regular gas? I can't believe that they even make 91/93 octane fuel anymore. I can't believe that anyone even buys it anymore.
Dude, I cant even believe they make 86/87 anymore! It is such crap gas. I put shell v-power (93) in every vehicle I've owned, whether it required it or not. It prevents detonation while keeping valves clean. And most premium cars require 93, along with sports cars. The most interesting cars on the road run 93... you're right, we should get rid of them. :rolleyes:
 

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The later MK IVs are bulletproof. FL2AK is unlucky to have an earlier MK IV.

Yup, higher octane allows higher compression ratios, IIRC that can lead to a motor with lots of power or lots of MPG.
 

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SootFoot said:
About 2 yrs ago the soy bean processing plant in Owensboro Kentucky, which is one of the largest in the country for pressing soy bean oil, was in the news because they were going to start making bio-diesel as a side product.

I have not heard anymore of it. That place is only 30 minutes drive from where I live.
i haven't heard anything myself :confused:
 

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velociT said:
Seems like it's quite the opposite. Most Mk5's dont have any problems at all. Mine has never given me any trouble. Seems the mk4's had electrical problems, and once a car starts to have problems, it doesnt seem to stop. It seems this is no more an issue with the Mk5's. Maybe you should get a new one with a warranty and not worry about it.
I can't see how you can even consider a MK5, or even a MK4, for 1/2 million mile durability, they've been around for what, 3 years (MK5) or 10 years (MK4)? Come talk about those 15 years from now if and when there are any left on the road. At the average of 15k miles per year, it will take 33 years to amass 500,000 miles; so history will prove this point sometime about 2030, or sooner the way these things break.

velociT said:
Maybe you should get a new one with a warranty and not worry about it.
Never happen.




velociT said:
you're right, we should get rid of them. :rolleyes:
Agreed! =) lol
 

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NFSTDI said:
What I can't understand is why so many people criticize rather than sympathize. The guy says he want's another TDI, why tell him to ride a bicycle? I mean really, that's just plain obnoxious.
I agree, it's ridiculous. There are some guys here that childishly reject anything that introduces doubt as to the soundness of their personal TDI decisions. Emotion and passion take over. It's tantamount to being brainwashed and frankly, shows a weakness of reasoning ability.

Anyway, there are a lot of cars nowadays (and in the past) that are every bit as economical (even moreso) than the TDI when one considers the total cost of ownership. Some find it difficult to digest that fact...
 

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Bob_Fout said:
FL2AK is unlucky to have an earlier MK IV.
Yeah, what he said. Except that there are others here who have much newer Jetta's and have the same experiences/feeling as I do.

Bob_Fout said:
Yup, higher octane allows higher compression ratios, IIRC that can lead to a motor with lots of power or lots of MPG.
Interesting, my gilfriends total pos 1985 Acura with God knows how many miles on it got 30-32 mpg in the city on 83 octane-and for $0.50 a gallon less too!

Wait a tic, isn't that close to my TDI mileage? For even $.50 a gallon more? Hmmmm.
 
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I never knew they had 83 octane, did you mean 87 or do they actually have 83 octane in some states.
 

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2slowtdi said:
I did not buy my TDI just for the mileage.
I will get 500,000 miles out of mine so thats two gassers there abouts.
What year is your TDI and how many miles do you have on it so far?
 

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Robbie I bought my Golf dec 07 and watch the Loves truck stop in okc go up in price every day. like Bogart said "You makes your choices and you takes your chances" Good Luck
 

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Just bought a TDI, instead of a Honda or Prius

And the reason is that if you are driving in town, lots of stop and go, don't buy a TDI. If you drive 90 miles to work once a week, (a round trip is 180) and have lots of road miles, it's way nicer to drive a TDI than any of the current crop of higher mileage cars. And it's probably cheaper. While you might go about 40 MPG in a Civic Hybrid, once on the road you are probably averaging close but not quite a TDI, and it's a terrible car to drive compared to the Jetta. None of my friends that have one like their cars. But enjoy for now (you can always sell it!).

Just relax and enjoy.
 

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wjdell said:
I never knew they had 83 octane, did you mean 87 or do they actually have 83 octane in some states.
Higher altitudes mean less octane is required . An example of this is @ 5,000-7,000 in the thiner lower O2 air 85 oct is equal to 87 oct . The less O2 in the air the lower the octane rating needs to be .

On the front range of Colorado 85 is RUG and in the mountains 83 is RUG .
 

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Dang, RK beat me to it.....

I have never seen anything less than 85, though.....even at gas stations at 7500 ft.

I notice it a lot too, gas cars knock and ping a whole lot less up there.....
 

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mannytranny said:
Dang, RK beat me to it.....

I have never seen anything less than 85, though.....even at gas stations at 7500 ft.

I notice it a lot too, gas cars knock and ping a whole lot less up there.....
I've seen 80 Octane. There is an FAA-approved Supplemental Type Certificate to use it in piston-powered, general aviation, aircraft.
 

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velociT said:
Maybe you should get a new one with a warranty and not worry about it.
vw warranty isn't worth the paper its written on. and I wouldn't let them work on my car anyways.
 

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redtdi966 said:
I'm thinking that the next 6 months will be a great time to buy a diesel as the diesel fuel climbs.
This is a good time to buy a used TDI.
 

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tdibigd said:
What year is your TDI and how many miles do you have on it so far?

I only have 108,000 miles so far.

I had my last vehicle 16 years, a Isuzu Trooper until someone offered more money than it was worth, at 250,000 miles.

Its all about taking care of things when its needs to be done not putting it off.
 

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FL2AK-tdi said:
I've seen 80 Octane. There is an FAA-approved Supplemental Type Certificate to use it in piston-powered, general aviation, aircraft.
FL2AK,
There's a little bit of a misnomer there between aviation and automotive octane ratings. Although they use the same word (octane), the numbers are calculated differently between the two. In reality, 80 octane AVgas is the exact same as 87 octane car gas.

I was looking into getting an STC for my plane a while back and found out the info. After everything was said and done I decided against it because of the whole ethanol scare.:(

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octane_rating
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avgas
 
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FL2AK-tdi said:
You'll be very fortunate to get 1/2 million miles out of one of these things. From the engine perhaps, but the rest of the car will crumble all around it. VW just doesn't make a quality product anymore.




2slowtdi
Not if you take care of it.
I had six Vw's well one was a Audi but the last one was a 1982 Scirocco
that I got new and had only six mo's , thats when VW had problems..
twenty one years later I have found that my VW is a good car.





Then, isn't that kind of your own fault for choosing a car not rated for regular gas? I can't believe that they even make 91/93 octane fuel anymore. I can't believe that anyone even buys it anymore.





I don't think so.
The Acura RSX-S type maybe the only one that did not need high octane.
The Mini Cooper S , Subaru WRX, Mercedes 230 Kompressor all needed high octane.
Most cars that come from the EU have small motors and need high octane to get the Hp and mileage they need at the price they pay for fuel.
The Seat 850 that I learned to drive in needed high octane with its 850cc motor.
 
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tdibigd said:
I agree, it's ridiculous. There are some guys here that childishly reject anything that introduces doubt as to the soundness of their personal TDI decisions. Emotion and passion take over. It's tantamount to being brainwashed and frankly, shows a weakness of reasoning ability.

Anyway, there are a lot of cars nowadays (and in the past) that are every bit as economical (even moreso) than the TDI when one considers the total cost of ownership. Some find it difficult to digest that fact...
Agreed, well said. I don't understand why some people here will fight to the grave that the TDI is the absolute uber car for everyone. It's everyones personal choice that needs to be made. Fact of the matter is that for a lot of people that just want to get from point A to point B, a TDI is not the best option when you consider total costs. In fact, I find myself thinking along the same lines. I plan to keep mine since it's paid for, but we're driving the wifes Focus a lot more these days since it is basically cheaper to run and maintain at this point (with diesel costing ~ $0.80 cents more than RUG).
 

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2slowtdi said:
I don't think so.
The Acura RSX-S type maybe the only one that did not need high octane.
It was an Integra and I have fuel receipts to back that claim.

TDI owners consistently underestimate or derate the fuel economy of other cars, especially the Hondas.
 

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rydogg said:
FL2AK,
There's a little bit of a misnomer there between aviation and automotive octane ratings. Although they use the same word (octane), the numbers are calculated differently between the two. In reality, 80 octane AVgas is the exact same as 87 octane car gas.

I was looking into getting an STC for my plane a while back and found out the info. After everything was said and done I decided against it because of the whole ethanol scare.:(

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octane_rating
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avgas
That explains why it was always referred to as "80/87." I always refer to RUG, both in here and in general, as 80/87. It suprising how many TDI owners are aviation people.

BTW, how much was that STC and how much is 100LL these days?
 
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