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[atifvw]

We all like the cars that we drive but we don't have the balls typical Canadian behavior. If you like your diesel than stand up for it. If you don't than you shouldn't be on these forums. Lets be honest when I joined this group over 15 years ago it was not about emissions or govt regulations. It was all about engineering innovation and fun with least fuel consumption. I don't see a fight coming out from you folks to save the diesel technology. Hope you guys are not as lame as what I'm being told.

Yes you can keep fixing your **** for cheap, I am KRZY4DZL. Just trying to make a point wake up grow up. Do something. All I see here on this thread is a bunch cheap ass wanna be's trying to change the world without putting in an effort. Typical lame ass behavior.

There is no tdiclub going forward Fred. That is if you we don't change our mind set. Evolve please, deep message if understood.

 

[Reddok]

The writing is already on the wall for fossil fuel powered vehicles. Electric is the future. 1-2 years left of driving my TDI before it gets replaced by an electric.

 

[Ackilys]

The writing is already on the wall for fossil fuel powered vehicles. Electric is the future. 1-2 years left of driving my TDI before it gets replaced by an electric.

ditto to that, ill more than likely keep my tdi just for long ventures though unless they get more charging stations in through canada - because unfortunately i cant drive a tesla across country

 

[CmdrData]

I have seen lot more diesel on the road from other brands, even new neighbour has a benz diesel GLK, young asian couple. But with that said, diesel is dead for VW, even boss of VWoA says he won't push diesel anymore, so pretty much the same gows for Canada. I drive a gas suv now but in two years, I'll change over to a EV Model3.

 

[mjhandy]

I like my touareg tdi but not sure I'd get another VW. I'll stick with diesel cause I love the torque though an EV looks promising.

 

[TDIFred]

VW dropped the ball when they did not offer a diesel-electric hybrid. and then they got 'butter-fingers' and dropped lots more...balls.

 

[maxmoo]

I'd rather drive a diesel than a nuclear powered electric car!
http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=466020
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[clamb]

This forum changed some time ago.. used to be fueled (har har) by enthusiasts but now its mostly people looking to save a buck. There are still the odd enthusiasts lurking.. myself I don't bother posting much anymore. Oddly enough the CR engines seem to have the most promise from a tuning perspective.

On another note I am not sure what there is to fight for.. the cars were tuned to cheat the emissions tests which is obviously illegal. Most enthusiasts here will not have a care in the world about that as the systems are likely defeated anyways

 

[imo000]

The bean counters at VW make the rules not us. You can throw a hissy fit untill you turn blue and no one will care.

 

[TDI smile]

I'd rather drive a diesel than a nuclear powered electric car!
http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=466020
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I'll drive my DIESEL until the car or I'm on my last trip!

 

[imo000]

I'll drive my DIESEL until the car or I'm on my last trip!

You are new to this, the honeymoon will wear off soon. Most diesel owners 9nly have them because of the fuel efficiency. Now that the direct injection gas engines are near the diesel efficiency, diesel car sales will slow.

 

[krazykipa]

Yup, fuel efficiency (which is nullified by the money you need to put in to get these cars to actually go fast enough to be fun) was and is the primary motivator of diesel. Second, the promise of engine longevity. Torque for towing would probably come third.

Not that there's anything wrong with a fuel-efficient and durable engine, but when talking "engineering innovation and fun", why should you have to remove all the engineering innovations in order for the fun to begin?

Not to mention you can't even do skids in a FWD, what fun is that? My car is a commutermobile and nothing more, though I'm still trying to give it that lil' extra oomph for when I need to pass...

 

[TOPH R]

Electric cars will not be the full future, at least not in our lifetime, with fuel prices(electricity i mean), and the when people realize how harmful they actually are to the environment (electricity comes from some nasty places and sources) plus the time to charge...it ain't gonna happen overnight.

Gasoline direct injection comes NOWHERE near close to diesel efficiency and fuel mileage when driven in real world conditions.

I can beat the snot out of my diesel, go like hell, and still pull 40-50mpg.
Drive a gas car with any "spirit" and you will end up in the low to mid teens for fuel efficiency. Pussy foot it on the highway going 105...and you might touch the low 30's...woop dee doo. But again, step into the gas pedal once or twice and you can quickly turn 30's into 20's in a gasser...and have way less power.

Good riddance to bad rubbish I say, I can't wait for this place to clean up a bit.

The problem today is the attitude that a car is nothing more than a device to get you where you need to go.

I truly feel sorry for people that think like that, they aren't enthusiasts, and they don't get it.

 

[craig01b]

And if you look at the signature of most of the "enthusiasts " you will see they are still driving alh powered machines. I owned 2 of those in my time, and they both went well past 500,000 k,s. And yes, for most of us cars are a way of getting around. Alh powered vws were easy to mod, and fun to drive......but, for it to be a daily driver, and uber reliable, they are getting a little long in the tooth.

But, as individuals driving habits change due to retirement, or location. The glow of the fuel economy, along with the woes of newer owners with the affected machines and their problems has tarnished the brand for sure..... As for good riddance... It seems just a little harsh.

 

[imo000]

Electric cars will not be the full future, at least not in our lifetime, with fuel prices(electricity i mean), and the when people realize how harmful they actually are to the environment (electricity comes from some nasty places and sources) plus the time to charge...it ain't gonna happen overnight.

Gasoline direct injection comes NOWHERE near close to diesel efficiency and fuel mileage when driven in real world conditions.

I can beat the snot out of my diesel, go like hell, and still pull 40-50mpg.
Drive a gas car with any "spirit" and you will end up in the low to mid teens for fuel efficiency. Pussy foot it on the highway going 105...and you might touch the low 30's...woop dee doo. But again, step into the gas pedal once or twice and you can quickly turn 30's into 20's in a gasser...and have way less power.

Good riddance to bad rubbish I say, I can't wait for this place to clean up a bit.

The problem today is the attitude that a car is nothing more than a device to get you where you need to go.


I truly feel sorry for people that think like that, they aren't enthusiasts, and they don't get it.

You need to think like an average person to understand why the direct injection engine fuel consumptions are close enough to compete with diesel. The small direct injection turbo engines are very efficient. Efficient enough to call to call it diesel category. The average person doesn't drive like or cares about the car. This isn't new, has been like this for a very long time. Us gearheads look at the World differently so don't let that clowd your judgement. Small displacement direct injected turbo gasoline engines with large numer of valves and adjustable valve timing is and will be the competitor to the tdi. They cost less to buy so thst one makes them alot more attractive than beeing forced to buy expensive upgrade packages just so you can get the diesel engine. VW should offer the diesel in the base model too.

 

[steve6]

Electric cars will not be the full future, at least not in our lifetime, with fuel prices(electricity i mean), and the when people realize how harmful they actually are to the environment (electricity comes from some nasty places and sources) plus the time to charge...it ain't gonna happen overnight.

Gasoline direct injection comes NOWHERE near close to diesel efficiency and fuel mileage when driven in real world conditions.

I can beat the snot out of my diesel, go like hell, and still pull 40-50mpg.
Drive a gas car with any "spirit" and you will end up in the low to mid teens for fuel efficiency. Pussy foot it on the highway going 105...and you might touch the low 30's...woop dee doo. But again, step into the gas pedal once or twice and you can quickly turn 30's into 20's in a gasser...and have way less power.

Good riddance to bad rubbish I say, I can't wait for this place to clean up a bit.

The problem today is the attitude that a car is nothing more than a device to get you where you need to go.

I truly feel sorry for people that think like that, they aren't enthusiasts, and they don't get it.

We are lucky here to have diesel cheaper than gas, in the USA that is not the case in any area (or almost all areas that I know if), so even though its less mpg gas is more appealing cause of the pump costs.

In regards to your last comment I don't look at my vw as anything but a commuter car, if i want to have fun with a car I drag the convertible vette out of the garage. Just because you own one does not mean you need to be a scene kid and rice the **** out of it. Sorry not a scene kid, an 'enthusiast'.

 

[j_martell]

I'll drive my DIESEL until the car or I'm on my last trip!

...me too....it's fun to drive, the torque is AWESOME (even bone stock), the noise....the great economy is merely a nice bonus

With only 100hp, you can drive "balls to the wall" and not get into trouble lol

 

[Snowman]

Widespread adoption of electric vehicles is still 10+yrs down the road. Battery technology has to come a long way. The charge cycle needs to be much faster, battery longevity needs to be longer and cold weather batter performance needs to be much better as well. It's simply not an option for the long distance commuter yet.

 

[Jlaasf]

Widespread adoption of electric vehicles is still 10+yrs down the road. Battery technology has to come a long way. The charge cycle needs to be much faster, battery longevity needs to be longer and cold weather batter performance needs to be much better as well. It's simply not an option for the long distance commuter yet.

Agreed. I'm nowhere near considering an electric vehicle myself. The range leaves a lot to be desired still. The rising cost of hydro in Ontario doesn't make me keen to spend the money on an EV, either.

As for enthusiasts on the site, I think in time that passes for any vehicle. My first car was a Ford Escort. I started on forums in 2000; the car was "relatively" new then. Tuners were playing (even on a Ford Escort!). But as these cars age, new technology gives us nicer, more powerful cars, the enthusiasts become fewer, further between.

I have 3 vehicles, and each serves a different purpose. The Jetta wagon has space for camping gear, kayaks, the dogs and gets good fuel economy. A 4x4 truck...well, it's a 4x4 truck. I was lucky enough to find an MK4 Supra, for my toy.

 

[TOPH R]

Direct injection gas engines are as imperfect now as when they were introduced...a technology that forces all the brands to pull intake manifolds to clean deposits...not awesome.

As for the enthusiast comment it was in reference to be being an automobile enthusiast...or a gearhead if you'd prefer.

The problem is there is a large number of people driving right now who are not any sort of mechanical enthusiast...and that's a shame.

For the record I will take my mk4 any day over a corvette for driving enjoyment...I'm not sure if that comment was there to impress, kinda felt like maybe it was supposed to.

Mk4 supra...well now I have a car boner...

 

[TOPH R]

I should add though...any kind of car driven for enjoyment...as opposed to just treating it as a tool...even a corvette...is a good thing

 

[Jlaasf]

As for the enthusiast comment it was in reference to be being an automobile enthusiast...or a gearhead if you'd prefer.

Fair enough - I guess I meant that I feel that those who are car enthusiasts will choose a car more performance capable than something like our TDIs. But, good point with somebody who just enjoys turning wrenches and working on their car as a hobby.

 

[craig01b]

"For the record I will take my mk4 any day over a corvette for driving enjoyment...I'm not sure if that comment was there to impress, kinda felt like maybe it was supposed to."


You obviously have not driven a new corvette....quite an impressive machine. Even the c5, as you shift out of second gear, as you blow thru a 100 mph, the roar of a v8 is a thing of beauty. Daily driver?.... no thanks, but fun....yes

 

[TOPH R]

I've driven a few, newest one was a couple years old...
Fast...yes
Build quality... Can't love it.

But thats just me.

 

[imo000]

I've driven a few, newest one was a couple years old...
Fast...yes
Build quality... Can't love it.

But thats just me.

If a car is fast, I couldn't give a rattsass about the build quality. MKIV is funner than a new Corvette?!?!?! Got a bit bedge blindness don't we?

 

[craig01b]

This was my old girl I rebuilt a few years ago.....sold it, and haven't replaced it with another toy yet.....smiles and thumbs up from other drivers was off the charts. MK 4 more fun.....not even in the same ballpark.

 

[tassolake]

is this post for real. I bought a brand new off the dealership floor 2006 TDI and have to say VW has screwed us all. I only let the dealership do all service until 155KM (Paid though the roof for such service) only to have the dealership and VW share they would not cover the cylinder that failed, Although I was 5KM short of the factory warranty. I then Pieced this stupid car together until it if hit 330Km, I spend at least six times more to fix this car then the fuel economy justified. I would have been way wealthier purchasing a camry with it's sub par fuel economy and let it die at about the 300Km mark then this stupid VW. I had to replace the rivets on the diff, because they failed (which is inexcusable, since the previous generation unit had a similar failure, so VW just puts in larger rivets that still fail, come on, who is the moron in Germany that sign off on this). I had the cam go three times, during my ownership (I changed the oil every 5Km, not the 16K the factory recommended).

At the end of the day VW has clearly produced a sub par product, scammed the world with false emissions and then continued to produced cars with faulty components. I pieced this car together for over 330Km (of which the last 200Km was excessive).VW engineering team should be ashamed.

I replaced my 2006 JettaTDI that I bought new, with a 1986 GM Cutlass with 62K Km (yes you read that right) no special tools, no Canbus, no mysteries electronics. I had to put a slosh of raw fuel down the carb, it had not started in over 20 years) and fired right up and passed the safety with the original 30 year old factory tires). VW has scammed it's fair share of owners, I will never ever be one again.

I loved the fuel economy of the TDI, but the repairs and many months spent on jack stands, more than negated any fuel economy. My prediction is VW will be bust within the decade because consumers will not put up with this crap (GM went bust for the same reason less than a decade ago, although I own one before this era).

My recommendation to this forum, run from VW and buy anything that is reliable. The diesel is a false god.

 

[Tsagoth]

Well Tasso I guess you had a worse lemon than I did. The car was an ok price I suppose but paying for dealer maintenance for a dozen years has far exceeded the price of the car. I don't know that it was a total waste though. I've got 498,000 km on it, never broken down anywhere and had pretty good fuel economy the whole time, even with the craptastic 01M, which failed at 232,000. I have no problem keeping the car and driving it into the ground, I'm sure it will outlive me.

As for fast, that's for the young guys. I've had the superfast sport bike, gone 250+kmh on a 400 series highway. It was fun, but that's in the past. Now it's comfort and style. This is my daily driver at the moment, when there's no snow:

 

[andy2]

And if you look at the signature of most of the "enthusiasts " you will see they are still driving alh powered machines. I owned 2 of those in my time, and they both went well past 500,000 k,s. And yes, for most of us cars are a way of getting around. Alh powered vws were easy to mod, and fun to drive......but, for it to be a daily driver, and uber reliable, they are getting a little long in the tooth.

But, as individuals driving habits change due to retirement, or location. The glow of the fuel economy, along with the woes of newer owners with the affected machines and their problems has tarnished the brand for sure..... As for good riddance... It seems just a little harsh.

Long in the tooth for sure but I don't mind just yet.I can fully understand the hurt of affected 09-current TDI owners.

I definitely feel more guilty of the emissions both visual and not that my daily driver produces.

 

[REDNECKDZL]

Loved my 01 ALH, the 06 does the trick for my gf

i enjoyed my 11 golf wagon, and if i knew what i know now i would have kept it, but it needed some DPF work

my 15 Jetta feels more like an appliance, but i do still love the torque, not sure what i plan to replace it with, but the GF with likely replace her 06 with my 15 jetta

the raw enthusiasts are out there, just fewer and farther between it seems, i don't think electric is the cure, but it would be interesting to see VW bring Skoda to NA, and make it it's diesel only brand, i wonder what that would do, i'd buy one, but i know it is just a VW in different clothing