irishrob
Veteran Member
It is interesting to see what TDI owners are thinking about as it relates to the emissions nightmare and future ownership of their diesel VW.
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Scandal poll
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JSWTDI09
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If you really want to know, read this thread: http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=448053
Have Fun!
Don
Have Fun!
Don
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- 2002 TDI (ALH) with 513,000 km. First Owner and very happy... No Problems, never left us stranded on the Highway. Average useage is about between under 4 ltr. and 5 ltr. Normal longdistance travel: 4.1/100
I'll drive and drive.... One of the best fun cars I had in my Garage from over 40!
dyvyd
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Scandal comment . . . for what it's worth (maybe not much)
Although i voted that i'll wait for the recall, get it fixed & decide later, in all likelihood the only reason i'd consider getting rid of my 2010 TDI (i also have a '98 w/ 277 K miles on it) would be if the fix denigrates performance or fuel economy substantially. VW is no different than GM (ignition switch defect that actually killed some people) or Ford (the Pinto gas tank horror story) in that they are all driven by the sick corporate ethos of the late 20th & early 21st century that they must continually distribute (& ideally increase) dividends to stockholders and/or increase bottom line profits & net worth at all costs. The public collective memory seems to me to be about 30 seconds these days-- fed by the same poor collective memory of most of the mainstream media--so although no one is being killed (at least directly) by VW's deceipt (though i heard recently that someone is claiming 2 people died as a result of this--that seems preposterous to me) it's the only thing in the discussion. As for the environmental impact, nitrogen oxide is a far less damaging pollutant than carbon tailpipe emissions from gassers, including hybrids when running on their gasoline engines. Seems to me that second generation (ligno-cellulosic) biofuel which matches petroleum based fuel efficiency but burns with far less noxious emissions would be a good transition to cleaner cars.
i am still happy to drive my TDI. . .
Although i voted that i'll wait for the recall, get it fixed & decide later, in all likelihood the only reason i'd consider getting rid of my 2010 TDI (i also have a '98 w/ 277 K miles on it) would be if the fix denigrates performance or fuel economy substantially. VW is no different than GM (ignition switch defect that actually killed some people) or Ford (the Pinto gas tank horror story) in that they are all driven by the sick corporate ethos of the late 20th & early 21st century that they must continually distribute (& ideally increase) dividends to stockholders and/or increase bottom line profits & net worth at all costs. The public collective memory seems to me to be about 30 seconds these days-- fed by the same poor collective memory of most of the mainstream media--so although no one is being killed (at least directly) by VW's deceipt (though i heard recently that someone is claiming 2 people died as a result of this--that seems preposterous to me) it's the only thing in the discussion. As for the environmental impact, nitrogen oxide is a far less damaging pollutant than carbon tailpipe emissions from gassers, including hybrids when running on their gasoline engines. Seems to me that second generation (ligno-cellulosic) biofuel which matches petroleum based fuel efficiency but burns with far less noxious emissions would be a good transition to cleaner cars.
i am still happy to drive my TDI. . .
irishrob
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My vote is to wait and see what happens
ugenetoo
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Interesting take on all this foolishness:
http://canadafreepress.com/article/...il&utm_term=0_d8f503f036-040c67c85e-297721473
http://canadafreepress.com/article/...il&utm_term=0_d8f503f036-040c67c85e-297721473
Powder Hound
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- '00 Golf 4dr White 5sp, '02 Jettachero 5sp, Wife's '03 NB Platinum Gray auto(!)
I was asked today (1st time, really) what I thought about the emissions from my car, and my reply was, "I don't know and I don't care." That brought a smile to the face of the man that asked. I then added that I really want a smoke switch for the jerks who love to ride my bumper at night in their SUV or truck knowing they are blinding me. I said I'd really like to blow a huge soot cloud at those drivers, and they really liked that.
Cheers!
PH
Cheers!
PH
Powder Hound
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- '00 Golf 4dr White 5sp, '02 Jettachero 5sp, Wife's '03 NB Platinum Gray auto(!)
Good article, thanks for the url, ugenetoo. I love it when people point out the absolute and utter stupidity displayed by agencies of the gub'mint. Hence the #3 biggest lie: "We're from the government and we want to help you."
PH
PH
bubbagumpshrimp
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lol. A lady in my office was giving me crap last week. I told her to keep it up and I'll get it tuned so that it rolls coal like an old big rig.
dubStrom
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- 2003 A4 Jetta (sold), 2010 JSW (sold), 2013 Passat 6MT traded for 2014 JSW with 6MT-TOTALED in November 2016, 2003 ALH 5MT conversion (sold), wheezing 2015 GSW/DSG and a new 2021 Tacoma Access Cab 4x4 p'up
The torch and pitchfork crowd is alive and well over on the emissions thread (Don's link in post #2). Seems that we gained many new forum member's whose sole ambition is to rant on that thread. Counterproductive in my opinion.
I am much more concerned about the survival of the company so I can find parts when I need them.
So my answer to the poll is that I DO actually care, won't get the fix, and will drive it as long as I can.
I also agree with Dyvyd on the NOx versus carbon dioxide question. I have no problem with NHTSA ratcheting up the average fleet mpg requirements, but meeting the EPA's newer limit simultaneously is at odds with that goal.
Access to smaller TDI engines would also help reduce ALL emissions. I'd be happy with a 1.4L TDI, or even a 1.2L 3 cylinder version. Bluemotion, and regenerative braking, too. If you burn less fuel, you produce less emissions, even with higher ppm in that volume of gases emitted. It is a fact that applies to the big i6 and V8 diesels-more emitted gas volume at lower ppm NOx = less emitted gas volume at higher NOx, roughly speaking. Maybe 40x is much more, but you get the point. 40mpg is a lot more than 15mpg.
And what is lost on all of this controversy are other important facts. For instance, extraction of oil from tar-sands involves burning fuel just to extract it. I wonder how those processing emissions (and the CONTENT of those emissions) compare to TDI tailpipe emissions. Using less oil (gasoline, diesel, etc) seems much more important to me in the long run.
I am much more concerned about the survival of the company so I can find parts when I need them.
So my answer to the poll is that I DO actually care, won't get the fix, and will drive it as long as I can.
I also agree with Dyvyd on the NOx versus carbon dioxide question. I have no problem with NHTSA ratcheting up the average fleet mpg requirements, but meeting the EPA's newer limit simultaneously is at odds with that goal.
Access to smaller TDI engines would also help reduce ALL emissions. I'd be happy with a 1.4L TDI, or even a 1.2L 3 cylinder version. Bluemotion, and regenerative braking, too. If you burn less fuel, you produce less emissions, even with higher ppm in that volume of gases emitted. It is a fact that applies to the big i6 and V8 diesels-more emitted gas volume at lower ppm NOx = less emitted gas volume at higher NOx, roughly speaking. Maybe 40x is much more, but you get the point. 40mpg is a lot more than 15mpg.
And what is lost on all of this controversy are other important facts. For instance, extraction of oil from tar-sands involves burning fuel just to extract it. I wonder how those processing emissions (and the CONTENT of those emissions) compare to TDI tailpipe emissions. Using less oil (gasoline, diesel, etc) seems much more important to me in the long run.
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^I'm with this guy^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
pugman
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I don't care what they decide to do since the wife and I will continue to drive our TDI's till they just won't go anymore!
Wife's: '03 Jetta TDI Wagon auto w/265,000 miles
Mine: '03 Jetta TDI Sedan 5sp w/275,000 miles
Both just getting broken in.
Wife's: '03 Jetta TDI Wagon auto w/265,000 miles
Mine: '03 Jetta TDI Sedan 5sp w/275,000 miles
Both just getting broken in.
Moots
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KAT90 said it best. End of story.
CNGVW
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where did all the Good will links go and post???
Did VW make a call!!!
Did VW make a call!!!
sdeck
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- 2003 Jetta, 253K, 01M, DLC520s, VNT-17(sold); 2014 Passat SE 6M, 61,000 miles (Feb 16 buyback date)
Need a fourth option- nothing but drive it unless Big Brother forces me to get it "fixed". Then I'll un-fix it with a tune.
I'm with KAT90- Drive More, Govern Less
I'm with KAT90- Drive More, Govern Less
Slurry Pumper
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I have many other things about my TDI that I am concerned about that will take priority over some smog that the car produces. I will continue to drive it until it dies or until they tell me I can't register it anymore.