Rocket Chip stage 3, How much power does it add?

[xDieselxTunerx]

How much horse power and torque does the rocket chip stage 3 add on a pd engine? I did a search and didnt get a straight answer

 

[IndigoBlueWagon]

I don't think Jeff will give you stage 3 with a stock turbo. Too much boost. BlueCTTDi got 152 HP and 240 ft/lbs. at the '06 New England Dyno Day with RC2 in an '04 PD. He ran it again this year with a VNT-17 and RC3 (I think) and got lower numbers but on a different (and very conservative) dyno.

Jeff is testing RC4 for PDs. That will require the VNT-17 or similar turbo (22+ PSI capability) as well. I'm guessing it will make 180/280 or thereabouts. But that's a guess.

 

[xDieselxTunerx]

I have seen on here a couple of cars that had stock turbos and they are running the RC3. Im just wondering if it is going to be a huge difference from stock?

I don't think Jeff will give you stage 3 with a stock turbo. Too much boost. BlueCTTDi got 152 HP and 240 ft/lbs. at the '06 New England Dyno Day with RC2 in an '04 PD. He ran it again this year with a VNT-17 and RC3 (I think) and got lower numbers but on a different (and very conservative) dyno.

Jeff is testing RC4 for PDs. That will require the VNT-17 or similar turbo (22+ PSI capability) as well. I'm guessing it will make 180/280 or thereabouts. But that's a guess.

 

[Bob_Fout]

Difference in power? Oh heck yeah.

 

[02DslPwr]

I have seen on here a couple of cars that had stock turbos and they are running the RC3. Im just wondering if it is going to be a huge difference from stock?

Most of the RC3s out there are running an ALH motor with RC3. Big difference from a PD motor running RC3. The PD motor with RC1 will get where an ALH motor is at RC2 or so, 145-150hp.

 

[hgeittmann]

Shouldn't this thread be locked with the message "Please contact the vendor for questions about specific products"

 

[02DslPwr]

Shouldn't this thread be locked with the message "Please contact the vendor for questions about specific products"

Amen, OP, all of your questions have been answered here before, or are waiting to be vocalized by Jeff's mouth.

Jeff is very hard to get ahold of as he is super busy. Send him an email and read through the forum while you are waiting, or call KERMA, kermatdi.com. They can get you set up with an alligator tune and provide the Q-Loader so you can install the software yourself.

Good luck!

 

[Honeydew]

Shouldn't this thread be locked with the message "Please contact the vendor for questions about specific products"

That would be consistant...

http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=194271

 

[xDieselxTunerx]

Trust me I have tried contacting jeff numerous of times but after waiting a month or so I thought I would as the people that actually had the chip.

Shouldn't this thread be locked with the message "Please contact the vendor for questions about specific products"

 

[KROUT]

That would be consistant...

http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=194271

Why the hell did they lock that one. I would like to know the specs also. Gues they wanted to avoid the heated arguments that would take place.lol

 

[VailPowder]

Amen, OP, all of your questions have been answered here before, or are waiting to be vocalized by Jeff's mouth.

Jeff is very hard to get ahold of as he is super busy. Send him an email and read through the forum while you are waiting, or call KERMA, kermardi.com. They can get you set up with an alligator tune and provide the Q-Loader so you can install the software yourself.

Good luck!

Thanks for for the support!

This thread is about RC3 and Jeff should be allowed to respond to the OP.

Bottom line is the PD engines respond really well to tuning and a tune from either of our companies will put a smile on your face!

 

[02DslPwr]

Trust me I have tried contacting jeff numerous of times but after waiting a month or so I thought I would as the people that actually had the chip.

If you arent happy with Jeff's service, try KERMA. Charlie, like Jeff, is always happy to help.

 

[tdisky]

Just to butt in...

Not to speak for Jeff, but I can tell you my results from this past New England Dyno Day. I got RC1+ in my 2004 PD Jetta, and the results were immediate, pronounced and endlessly entertaining. Dent Sport Garage's dyno had me at 232 lb-ft, and 113.9 hp (although from the graph the torque looks more like 228, but what do I know). Also, elsewhere on these forums Jeff posted to apply a 1.05 dyno diesel adjustment. Regardless of the numbers, the car pulls like a quick tractor; it's like the stock engine was lifted out, and a 2.8 was dropped in.

The guy who ran the dyno commented that he's rarely seen numbers like that just from a chip; the rest of the engine is bone-stock.

 

[IndigoBlueWagon]

The OP here is asking about results with RC3: members here have dyno'd their car with this tune and can provide a factual response based on their dyno. The other thread was about technical specifications of a product. I agree that those questions should be answered by the vendor. Asking what improvements a product provides and about users' experiences is at the core of what these forums are for, IMHO.

 

[Got Bearings?]

I don't think Jeff will give you stage 3 with a stock turbo. Too much boost. BlueCTTDi got 152 HP and 240 ft/lbs. at the '06 New England Dyno Day with RC2 in an '04 PD. He ran it again this year with a VNT-17 and RC3 (I think) and got lower numbers but on a different (and very conservative) dyno.

Jeff is testing RC4 for PDs. That will require the VNT-17 or similar turbo (22+ PSI capability) as well. I'm guessing it will make 180/280 or thereabouts. But that's a guess.

I have RC3 on an otherwise stock motor (ALH - boostvalve added). The difference is NIGHT AND DAY!!! It made for an otherwise lethargic car to a lil peppier one. I should have some dyno's numbers here in the coming weeks too.

 

[IndigoBlueWagon]

As 02DslPwr wrote, RC3 for an ALH is different from RC3 in a PD, which the OP has. RC3 for a PD runs, IIRC, about 22 PSI boost. That's a lot on a KP-39, although there are a few cars out there that seem to be doing OK with it.

 

[hgeittmann]

The OP here is asking about results with RC3: members here have dyno'd their car with this tune and can provide a factual response based on their dyno. The other thread was about technical specifications of a product. I agree that those questions should be answered by the vendor. Asking what improvements a product provides and about users' experiences is at the core of what these forums are for, IMHO.

You can pick nits if you want, but the fact is that both Kerma and RC offer products that aren't fully documented on their websites. Each vendor must have reasons for doing so. If one thread asking about the specifics of a product gets locked, then treat the other vendor product threads the same. Otherwise the core of what this forum is for becomes biased (or even more biased, as tuning boxes, Upsolute, et.c. don't get fair treatment here).

I love this forum, I read it every day, and I've purchased products from most of the vendors that participate here. But lately it has largely devolved into commercials for vendor products. I own a TIVO for a reason!!!

 

[sleze]

I also wished that there was one central place where we could look at the numbers of each upgrade. Jeff's site hasn't been updated in 2 years. That said, once I got my RC2, his service is INSANELY good.

Getting on the list is hard but it is worth the hassle to get there.

 

[KROUT]

I think they dont post hp numbers for a resaon. Lets say he list rc3 as giving 40 hp gain. One car with rc3 may get a 40 hp gain and the next may only get 30hp. Then you have people crying that they did not get what was advertised, when it could simply be the differnece between diferent dyno's.

Look at Kermas site his turbos say it will support xxhp but does say that it will give xxhp. It very smart of them to do it this way. Then nobody crys when they dont get xxhp from whatever the mod is.

I definatly dont agree with locking a thread and saying ask the vender. Although kerma is very easy to get on the phone and he will explain every thing to you.

I have been here a long time and nothing is any different than it was 5 years ago. The biggest differnce is there are more products offered by more venders and non venders(because they pick and chose who they give vender status to).

You can pick nits if you want, but the fact is that both Kerma and RC offer products that aren't fully documented on their websites. Each vendor must have reasons for doing so. If one thread asking about the specifics of a product gets locked, then treat the other vendor product threads the same. Otherwise the core of what this forum is for becomes biased (or even more biased, as tuning boxes, Upsolute, et.c. don't get fair treatment here).

I love this forum, I read it every day, and I've purchased products from most of the vendors that participate here. But lately it has largely devolved into commercials for vendor products. I own a TIVO for a reason!!!

 

[IndigoBlueWagon]

You can pick nits if you want, but the fact is that both Kerma and RC offer products that aren't fully documented on their websites. Each vendor must have reasons for doing so. If one thread asking about the specifics of a product gets locked, then treat the other vendor product threads the same. Otherwise the core of what this forum is for becomes biased (or even more biased, as tuning boxes, Upsolute, et.c. don't get fair treatment here).

I love this forum, I read it every day, and I've purchased products from most of the vendors that participate here. But lately it has largely devolved into commercials for vendor products. I own a TIVO for a reason!!!

It sounds like you're raising three points here:

1. Vendors are purposely not providing data on their products
2. Moderators are inconsistent in which threads they lock
3. The OP is planting a question to promote Rocketchip.

I pointed out how I think this thread is different from the one you referenced, but I'm also inclined to think that the moderator simply hasn't seen this one yet, not that s/he has made a decision not to lock it. And as a vendor, I'm happy for people to post their experiences (good and bad) about products I sell. It helps customers make better decisions and is an important feedback loop for me. And third, it never occured to me that the OP was a Rocketchip 'plant' or something like that. Maybe I'm naive.

And I don't have Tivo. I just shut the TV off.

 

[VailPowder]

I think that Krout and Peter make some very good points here!

Meaningful horsepower claims are not easy to make, since there are so many variables.

Our community is filled with individuals and each car and owner are unique. Cars may have similar upgrades, but few are exactly the same as another.

I don't think the OP was trying to promote anyone, he's at that stage where he's looking into options and seeking answers.

Do mods lock down threads arbitrarily? I don't think so... Mods lock stuff when they get out of hand, and they show a great deal of tolerance.

Do vendors purposely not provide data?

I think so, but not in a bad way. I think the forum is not really the place to to talk detail after detail....it can stir up a hormet's nest. This is better handled in communication between interested parties and vendors outside of the forums.

But new products, fresh dyno data, 1/4 mile times, useful feedback on products, theories, questions etc. are all fun to talk about. So I don't see any easy place to draw the line. The main thing is whether we can discuss things in a pleasant and productive way.

This thread is about power increases using RC3 on a PD motor. I don't think the OP is playing a transparent game to plug RC, he's just looking for info.

 

[LNXGUY]

I think all the hp ratings are just an educated guess anyhow. Some cars make more, some make less, but they should all be 'around' that number...