replacing steering wheel with multifunction wheel

[blizzard60]

I've been away for some time. My mother died last thursday
Of course that i'm polite, and i'm realy happy for your reply. So thank you my friend for your help.

Karl, I'm really sorry for your loss! It was totally meant as a joke, but now I feel really bad

I hope things are turning around for you...

Cheers,
-Chris

 

[blizzard60]

blizzard60: Am I correct in assuming that you're using the Mk4 clockspring, with a modified airbag harness?
I'm planning out a hack that would take the LIN bus signal from the Mk6 steering wheel, and feed it into a microcontroller, which would then send bluetooth HID keyboard commands to an Android phone, allowing (almost) full control of the phone from the steering wheel.

Yes, MKIV MFSW/ESP clock spring (same thing) with highly modified airbag/steering wheel harness.

What you are planning sounds WICKED! Please keep us posted!

 

[bhtooefr]

http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=338807 is the thread I posted for that.

It might not even need to be a LIN bus signal, as someone in that thread pointed out - after all, I get access to the raw button signals in the steering wheel, so if I can get the Bluetooth signal to work from inside the wheel... may only need the clockspring fifth pin for backlight power or something.

 

[Karl Martin]

Karl, I'm really sorry for your loss! It was totally meant as a joke, but now I feel really bad

I hope things are turning around for you...

Cheers,
-Chris

Don't feel that Chris, how could you know?
Of course i'm extremely sad, if wasn't my mother i should be dead long time ago in a dark period of my life...
Thanks God i have a litle 4 year's old daughter who are the sunshine of my life and a good wife too.

About my questions i've posted before, those were to install in my car the entire system of the Golf MKIV multifunction steering wheel and then connect each button of the golf's 6 MFSW to the golf's 4 MFSW, if you know what i mean. My english is rusty

I put that project apart and i've made my own system who consists in make new buttons connect to a remote control inside the steering wheel, then pass 2 wires in the clockspring and connect a infrared emitor pointed to the rádio. And, you know? It work's

 

[kav1187]

Yes, MKIV MFSW/ESP clock spring (same thing) with highly modified airbag/steering wheel harness.

What you are planning sounds WICKED! Please keep us posted!

Hellooo....I'm soo glad I found this thread. I bought myself a mk6 MFSW to fit into my mk2 (which has mk4 engine/wiring loom) but found that wiring it up wasn't as simple as expected.

Blizzard, did your car already have MFSW or did you retrofit everything? Mine hasn't got it at the moment. I'd really appreciate it if you could put together a 'how to'

It would be good to wire up the buttons on the right so that I can scroll up/down on the trip computer as opposed to using the stalk but really I just want to be able to use the controls for the head unit.

So...I need the clockspring....a MFSW module from a mk4 (part #??) What other wiring will I need? The mk6 MFSW came with the airbag...is the connector the same as on the mk4?

Sorry for all the Qs but I'm a bit of a noob when it comes to electronics.

Cheers,
Kav

 

[graeme86]

If your wheel is going in a Mk 2, I presume you do NOT want the airbag connected anyway, as you won't have any of the proper control modules or sensors to fire it etc.

So the "airbag" in the hub should just be for show anyway and won't need to be connected itself in your case.

It will only be clipped on so the wheel looks nice.

You would still need the horn connection of course.

 

[kav1187]

Hi Graeme - thanks for the reply. I forgot to mention it also has the mk4 dash, electrics, modules etc....basically reshelled and made to fit into a mk2 so the airbags are connected

I've also got a JVC head unit which I assume will add to the challenge of getting the steering wheel controls working....although if it runs off a mk4 MFSW module then there should be a JVC steering wheel control kit available.

I'm such a mess

 

[bink_420]

My MFSW effed off last week, i scanned it and got...

01326- Control module for multi-function steering wheel (j453)
43-00 No communication

So i ordered a new 451 relay from the stealership and put it it in and STILL NOTHING i've taken the steering wheel off and looked inside, can't notice anything out of the ordinary. I'm out of idea's. I have an appointment on Friday at the stealership but i really don't want to resort to them. If anyone has any insight I'd really appreciate it. Oh and don't mind my join date, I'm not a "noob" with my car, I've been on vwvortex for years. Thanks!!!

 

[esilviu]

Yes, MKIV MFSW/ESP clock spring (same thing) with highly modified airbag/steering wheel harness.

What you are planning sounds WICKED! Please keep us posted!

Hello Blizzard60
Also I have a golf6 mfsw for a long time -almost 1year - and I want to install it in my 2005 vw bora which came w/o mfsw from the factory but with ESP --> means the clock spring is OK for connection. It will be very kind if you share with us the procedure on haw to make all the steering wheel multifunctions available.
THANK YOU

 

[esilviu]

[QUOTE Originally Posted by blizzard60
Yes, MKIV MFSW/ESP clock spring (same thing) with highly modified airbag/steering wheel harness.
[/QUOTE]

Hello Blizard60,
Would you please give us some hints on how you modified the loom in order to make your Golf6 MFSW to work in G4, do you still have the horn active on the SW with the modified loom?
Thanks in advance.

 

[M206]

anyone knows if the golf mk5/mk6 or leon2(1P/1P1) mfws could work with an Audi RNS-e navigation unit (old version) installed in a seat leon 1M (can bus 1.6)?

 

[ady2006]

Hello.
I want to show my retrofitting. Idea was to replace not only steering wheel but also multimedia unit with one more contemporaneous than older radio-cassette gamma.
I hope is not forbidden the link to other forums. Take a look at my retrofitting here

http://vwforum.vwforum.ro/topic/86259-instalare-volan-golf-6-gti-pe-platforma-b5-passat-b55/

You can use google translator from romanian language; if translation is too strange I will try to make a decent translation for you. Or you can ask exactly what you don’t understood.

 

[graeme86]

FIS-Smart?

Any more information on this please?

CAN or 3LB?

 

[ady2006]

For the moment is only 3LB. Planed also for CAN. But is not finished. Want to display RDS from AM radio, display radar information and eliminate some switches for drl, coming-leaving home and other.

 

[graeme86]

Thank you.

Nice wheel install too.

 

[Karl Martin]

Hello.
I want to show my retrofitting. Idea was to replace not only steering wheel but also multimedia unit with one more contemporaneous than older radio-cassette gamma.
I hope is not forbidden the link to other forums. Take a look at my retrofitting here

http://vwforum.vwforum.ro/topic/86259-instalare-volan-golf-6-gti-pe-platforma-b5-passat-b55/

You can use google translator from romanian language; if translation is too strange I will try to make a decent translation for you. Or you can ask exactly what you don’t understood.

What i great achievement. All the 12 buttons work? You did it all by yourself?
Do you think it is possible to work with my kenwood dnx5260bt?
I'm so happy to see this invention. Great. Congratulations

 

[Karl Martin]

I have also installed one think like that, but named fis-control, bought from zzottel. Do you think it may work with my radio and with my fis-control???

 

[ady2006]

Yes, all 12 buttons work. And yes, is 100% home-made, hardware and firmware is designed and made by me. Schematic is free but firmware is not open source and for the moment is not available for download nowhere. Is more for educational purpose. You can write you own firmware if you want. Information’s is a lot more than when I begin this project.



The device read key pressed using existing resistors placed into the wheel and external additional resistors wired to an analog to digital converter built in PIC 18F258. After detection of key, microcontroller transmit a NEC infrared code in concordance with correspondents key of original infrared remote.



This solution is applicable in every case when an infrared remote control is accepted by the head unit.

 

[Karl Martin]

OK, great.
That's my case.
Can you make one of this and sell it to me, if i gave you the infra-red remote control?

 

[ady2006]

M8, sorry, but this project was not designed for commercial purpose. And this question is reflected into adjustment procedure.
--Steering wheel with additional resistor is in essence a 1-wire keyboard. And is subject of typical nonlinearity of this type of keyboard.
--Analog to digital controller built-in microcontrollers is far away from datasheet promised linearity.
--Resistor tolerance and operational amplifier transfer gain influence also key reading

If your steering wheel is not very, very closed to my, is a great possibility that microcontroller cannot read properly key pressed.

In this version of firmware, is necessary to calibrate keyboard manually. That presume a good voltmeter, pic programmer, infrared monitor, pic compiler, skills to manipulate decimal to hex number, and, of course, the source code of firmware.

 

[Karl Martin]

my steering wheel is the same as yours...
But i understand... Thanks anyway

 

[bhtooefr]

Karl Martin: If I'm reading ady2006's posts correctly, I think he's actually directly reading the buttons in the steering wheel, rather than decoding the LIN bus output of the steering wheel's controller. So, slight vendor changes in the steering wheel may (shouldn't, but may) affect how it works, depending on how he did it.

 

[ady2006]

Yes, bhtooefr, you’re right. And this happened because I buy steering wheel without steering wheel key controller 5K0.959.542 (don’t confuse with steering column controller 5K0.953.549). I don’t have this controller, which originally read keys :

 

[dremd]

FYI This is is by far the best post in this entire thread.
Pictures are not needed. I will post some notes in a minute.

UPDATE: I now have Wiring Diagrams for adding the MF steering...

T18c Pin - color/stripe - function
1 - orange/brown - CAN Low (in 2002+ cars that use 451 relay and CAN)
2 - - no connection
3 - orange/brown - CAN High (in 2002+ cars that use 451 relay and CAN)
4 - black/white - Cruise related, clip on to wire from T10s/4 or T10s/7 from signal stalk, or tap-in to T10e/3 (connector in water-tight box)
5 - lavender - REM wire for remote control of radio, to T20/11 "green" connector behind radio head unit, not needed when using 451 and CAN
6 - green/purple - K-wire (diagnostic wire) T16/7 in instrument panel wiring harness, (OBDII port), below inst. panel, left
7 - - no connection
8 - red/yellow - Cruise - tap-in to T10e/2 in water tight box
9 - brown/yellow - connect to horn relay, S1/6 (bottom left on relay panel, marked "53"), cut wire that is already connected there (it currently goes to T5b/3 on steering wheel) leaving a stub of a few inches from S1/6, and crimp T18c/9 to the stub of S1/6
10- brown - Ground, 1 in instrument panel wiring harness (Brown wires above clutch)
11- - no connection
12- black/red - 12V switched, connect to Fuse 5 in fuse panel (7.5 Amps) When connecting, you should splice this T18c/12 wire AND the wire from T5b/3 that you cut from S1/6 above together into the wire from Fuse 5. Therefore 12V switched from Fuse 5 should go to the middle of T5b/3 on cancelling ring AS WELL AS pin 12 on T18c-- T18c/12 does NOT need this w/ CAN (451), BUT T5b/3 STILL DOES!
13- red/green - 12V power, connect to fuse 40 in the fuse-panel but if you don't do that, you should use an in-line fuse
14- red/grey - Cruise - tap-in to T10e/9 in water tight box
15- grey/blue - ILLUM wire - tap in to T3c/3 in instrument panel light dimmer switch... Not needed w/ CAN (451)
16- blue - Cruise - tap-in to T10e/1 in water tight box
17- - no connection
18- yellow - Horn, T5b/1 on cancelling ring (at steering wheel) you will probably have to add this wire, it is on the far right of the yellow T5B/1 connector on the steering column as you are looking at the steering column.

Some more info:

451 is the newer relay that you use with 2002+ cars with CAN Bus. 452 is the older relay that you use with 1999, 2000, and 2001 cars that use 3LB (12V Switched, Illumination, and the REM wire). T18c is the connector (pictured below) for the 451 or 452 relay in the relay panel. T5b is the connector on the cancelling ring where the steering wheel attaches. T10s is in turn-signal stalk, T10e is in white Water-tight box in the plenum chamber on the driver's side. I got to it by laying the driver's seat all the way back and lying upside down with my head under the dash and my legs on the headrest. It was a pain in the butt (and the lower back), but I'd rather do that than removing my windshield cowling to access the white water-tight box from the top-side. I used gel-filled wire-taps to "tap in" to the wires in T10e, rather than cutting them and re-crimping.

Here is the origial signal stalk on a car WITHOUT MF steering...

Here is the T18c connector wired for the 451 relay with CAN (missing pins 5, 12, and 15). This configuration would be used with the 451 relay for cars that use CAN...

Here is the left half of the wiring diagram for T18c...

And here is the right half...

Hope this helps!

Wes

 

[dremd]

I just completed the install, some notes.
1) the Kufatec harness that I received was in no way correctly wired, the wires are labeled, but the pin they were connected to was only correct in 2 cases on an 18 pin connector.
Had I realized this ahead of time I would have saved the better part of a day.
2) the Kufatec instructions are engrish, They would be accurate had the wires been in the correct place, only missed 1 wire which is the horn relay connection, which they intend to be connected at the steering colum on the pin that is removed from the clock spring (you then replace it with a wire/ pin from the Kufatec harness.
3) the water box T10 is a royal pain to access, I tried taking about 1/2 of the dash apart and couldn't get to it, I know some people can, I ended up opening the water tight box, way way easier in my book.
4) the water box looks at first glance like it will reaseal with no sealent added, look closer, it will not.
5) if in doubt read the post I quoted above, fantastic.
6) if you have an early car don't green / purple / pin6 of mfsw relay to the back of the radio as advised by the Kufatec instructions. Your radio will get stuck in safe mode and it will not come out even with the correct code until the wire is removed. I left it disconnected with no I'll affects.
If you don't misplace trust, should be a sub 1 day job.
Pic of Kufatec instructions again note that Kufatec harness is all gray(every wire), is mislabeled and can screw you if you don't realize that ahead of time.
Oh, btw, I didn't receive these instructions with my harness, had to wait 3 months + for harness, then had to argue repeatedly to get this document, so here it is for all.

 

[zukikat]

I have a 12/00 built 2001 Jetta without the MFSW option and the MFSW with all related bits that I bought off the vortex (no idea what year/model it came out of) included a 450 relay, not a 451 can-bus or 452 early years version as described in the quote 2 posts above.
Is it likely that the 450 relay is even newer than the can-bus 451 version so I must sell it and get a 452 version relay to fully install the MFSW or might the 450 relay i got actually work on my 2001 Jetta anyway?

 

[graeme86]

450 appears to be an old version of 452

 

[M206]

sorry but i didn't find a clear reply to my question:

what about the dual stage airbag (mk6) with single stage airbag (mk4) compatibility??

i read in other forums that even if the airbag warning light on cluster will disappear with the modified wirings, there are no guarantee that the airbag will explode in the right way in case of crash..

have someone tried and can tell for sure that it'll work without risk??

otherwise, do you think it's possible to replace only the steering wheel of an mk6 and keep the mk4 airbag on it??

 

[graeme86]

The Jetta Clasico in Mexico is still the Mk IV style but now has a Mark 6 wheel, so one may presume their airbag is compatible:

MY2012 Multifunction version (different airbag shape of course):

Weird how they have now removed the rheostat for the dashlights though.

 

[ady2006]

MK6 airbag is not dual stage. MK5 airbag is dual stage. Wiring is different MK4--MK6 but easy to modify and this modiffication do not affect functionality of airbag.
Howewer, any modiffication is on your own risk, without any guaranties.