Rear wiper hose routing (mk4 golf)

rhskcdn

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Does anyone know where the rear wiper hose is routed in a MK4 Golf? I've developed a 'big leak' somewhere and I'm getting water down the drivers side interior where the CD changer is located.

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Randall
 

rickdick80

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I have the same problem in my '04 Golf. I have JUST (10 minutes ago) done the rear wiper rebuild, thinking that would solve my no-rear-window-spray problem. When I went to test it after doing the rebuild, I noticed the washer fluid leaking on my CD changer. Gar!

I'll let you know if I find anything further...
 

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I presume you mean its leaking somewhere in the boot but from the interior?

There are two bad connections that pop.
One at the wiper motor and one behind the brake light at the top of the boot lid actually inside the car. I had to pull it out to get at it.

Both popped on me and I though I had it fixed with the wiper motor one but it leaked more from the roof.

I had no idea there was another one but its located directly above the boot light in the roof in the Golf/Bora estate/Wagon.
 

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You can buy a hose from a dealer like 1stvwparts.com, but be forewarned -- what I got was not at all like the hose that is on the car. I just got a coiled hose that looked different, sort of corrugated, and did not have the necessary fittings on either end. One goes to the fitting on the washer reservoir, one goes to the wiper motor.

If this helps anyone:


I had problems with my original wiper, and after trying the repair, ended up replacing it with the whole new motor seen here. But due to taking the connection on and off a few times, the connector on the hose cracked, and it leaked. Attempts to fix it didn't work. I ended up doing this -- using a 1/8" to 1/4" vacuum line fitting from Advance Auto and a piece of 1/4" vinyl hose.

The vinyl hose probably wouldn't work to run all the way into the body of the car, though. The inside diameter is too big, and would take a while to fill up before it actually squirts. But maybe seeing this will give you ideas for maybe repairing part of your leaky hose, rather than trying to replace the whole thing.
 

Jamie jay

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i’ve got the same issue with a rear leaking window washer but mine is leaking on the passenger wheel well outside the car I don’t get no water in the car
 

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Take the inner plastic cover off of the hatch and check for leaks at the washer motor and along the washer fluid line. The most common MkIV issues are leaks at the metal piping that exits the motor to the washer jet, and leaks along the fluid line. It is a bit unusual to see the fluid outside of the car unless you are using a lot of fluid. There is also a sunroof drain in the area you describe.

This thread may have helpful pictures:

 

hskrdu

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Ok, no SR makes it easier to diagnose. When you pull the plastic cover off the inside of the hatch, look at the fabric insulation near the motor, you may find signs of the leak. In order for the windshield washer fluid to leak outside, it has to start inside and travel down, either from the motor or from the fluid line inside the C pillar, or other point, etc.

This post alone has some good helpers for you:

As many of you know, the rear washer of the Mark IV Golf & Wagon (and others) often develops a leak. Not only is the leak annoying, rendering the rear washer useless, but can lead to rust and damage to the washer motor, rust within the rear hatch and trunk, or damage to the electronics causing a multitude of other problems.


RainX orange tells me there's a problem! This pic is from the sound damping on the inside of the rear hatch trim. See below for removal.

This leak can usually be traced to three areas:
1) The brass tube that runs through the center of the rear wiper motor, from the lower washer fluid line to the washer spray jet, develops a crack, allowing fluid to enter the washer motor, the interior of the rear hatch, or the trunk. Indicators include weak spray or lack of washer fluid spray at the rear jet, or when the rear washer jet rotates with the wiper arm (it should be stationary, and pointed straight up).
2) A cracked, disconnected, or broken “upper” washer fluid line (under or near the driver side “C” pillar).
3) A cracked, disconnected, or broken “lower” washer fluid line (inside the rear hatch, under the plastic trim).
4) Other problems include cracks in the front washer reservoir, bad washer pumps, a leak at the front of the fluid lines, and clogged washer spray jets.

There are several good threads on TDIClub and other places regarding various fixes:

1) Replacing the rear motor with a new one (p/n 1J6955711C).
2) Removing the old motor and fixing with the official repair kit (p/n 8L0998711).
3) Removing the old motor and fixing with various DIY methods.
4) Fixing or replacing broken or leaking areas of upper or lower washer fluid line.

SEE post #12: I've linked the most useful threads which are connected to the problems and fixes above, plus some threads on the Avant mod.

After reading lots of threads from many different sites:
1) Don’t assume the leak is from the brass tube. Some series of VAG motors have other internal leaks, and some have an exterior leak where the base to the fluid tube exits the motor. Be sure to check the washer fluid lines. If you have a leak at the rear sunroof lines, these run right next to the rear washer fluid lines, but there’s no discoloration.
2) The repair kit, at apx $118 is nearly the cost of a new rear motor ($140), and uses the same brass tube which will eventually rust or fail.
3) Some owners (including TDIClub’s jmur, Herm, etc.) repaired the leak at the brass tube using DIY methods, other than the repair kit, such as stainless steel tubing, new brass tubing, rubber tubing, etc.
 

Jamie jay

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I DO NOT HAVE A SUN ROOF I HAVE THAKEN THE PLASTIC OFF THE BOOT AND EVERYTHING IS DRY TTHERE IS NOT WATER COMING UP IT IS RUNNING OUT OF THE WHEEL WELL
 

hskrdu

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Jamie, no shouting needed. Just like in Birmingham, all CAPS is not appreciated here. If you look at my post above, I said not having a sunroof makes it easier to diagnose. That means I read your post, as did all the others currently replying to help you, and acknowledged that you do not have a sunroof.

Next, shouting that you took the plastic cover off the interior of the hatch isn't necessary, but it would have been helpful to mention it earlier. Please post pictures of this area for us to help diagnose.

Next, yes, we understood water is coming out of your wheel well, but you posted that your rear washer is leaking. That means you'll need to follow the fluid line from the exit point, which is the nozzle at the motor, back to the fluid tank, and since the fluid is exiting at the rear wheel, it's most likely at the rear of the car. That means removing the plastic cover at the hatch, which you shouted that you have done, and then the C pillar cover, etc. Unless you have diagnosed the problem incorrectly, these are the beginner steps.

Now, I know you read the thread I linked, but maybe you missed post number 12? That's the one that linked 17 threads, some of which discuss leaks along the washer fluid line. Of course, a google search will help also.

There isn't much other choice than to get a visual inspection of the wwf line from rear to front and find the leak- assuming your diagnosis is correct.
 

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You can buy a hose from a dealer like 1stvwparts.com, but be forewarned -- what I got was not at all like the hose that is on the car. I just got a coiled hose that looked different, sort of corrugated, and did not have the necessary fittings on either end. One goes to the fitting on the washer reservoir, one goes to the wiper motor.

If this helps anyone:


I had problems with my original wiper, and after trying the repair, ended up replacing it with the whole new motor seen here. But due to taking the connection on and off a few times, the connector on the hose cracked, and it leaked. Attempts to fix it didn't work. I ended up doing this -- using a 1/8" to 1/4" vacuum line fitting from Advance Auto and a piece of 1/4" vinyl hose.

The vinyl hose probably wouldn't work to run all the way into the body of the car, though. The inside diameter is too big, and would take a while to fill up before it actually squirts. But maybe seeing this will give you ideas for maybe repairing part of your leaky hose, rather than trying to replace the whole thing.
The white connector as shown in your image above is that the original connector for the washer hose or was that a connector you brought separately to fix your leaking washer hose? If you happen to know the name of that connector and where i could get one from that would be really appreciated as i have this exact problem at the moment and it's not been something that's been very easy for me to fix!
 

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I ended up doing this -- using a 1/8" to 1/4" vacuum line fitting from Advance Auto and a piece of 1/4" vinyl hose.
Last seen...
Mar 23, 2017

Don't think he will reply, but looks like the white part is simply a vacuum line adapter or reducer.... simply 1/8 to 1/4 from a local auto parts store
 

hskrdu

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Frugal hasn't posted in years, but as Zippy said, the white plastic piece in that picture is a generic adapter to connect the OE black VW line to the clear aftermarket tubing, which is tightened down by the silver metal hose clamp.
 

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I ended up doing this -- using a 1/8" to 1/4" vacuum line fitting from Advance Auto and a piece of 1/4" vinyl hose.
Last seen...
Mar 23, 2017

Don't think he will reply, but looks like the white part is simply a vacuum line adapter or reducer.... simply 1/8 to 1/4 from a local auto parts store
Thank your for your reply i really appreciate it. Not to be a pain but would it be possible for you to provide me with a link to the correct adaptor please? I'm new at this so I don't really understand sizes and diameters that well if am being honest with you.

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I just had a reply back from IDparts and they said

"Looking at the parts diagram the rear motor uses a snap in quick connector which is then secured with part number N0209022, which are OEM cable ties.

The quick connector can be found here: https://www.idparts.com/washer-fluid-pump-quick-connector-straight-gray-1j0955875p-p-14852.html

Any cable/zip tie should work! No need to pay the VW pricing up-charge for the zip ties.

It sounds like that quick connector blew off when the hose came off the pump.

Thank you!"

I'm not sure if that's the correct connector for my PD100 MK4 golf though what do you guys think?
 

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If IDparts says it fits MK4 Golf they are probably right. You could Google the part number to confirm.
If this part is correct https://www.idparts.com/washer-fluid-pump-quick-connector-straight-gray-1j0955875p-p-14852.html

which end connects up to the hose and which end connects up to the washer motor please see picture below. If you can tell me that i'll happily buy it but i couldn't work it out that's why i settled for the reducer method as described in this thread.


Thanks
 

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The end with the hose barb connects to the hose ;)
It’s pretty expensive to be fair on idparts for $31 and that’s not including any shipping fees and as I’m based in the UK it’s not worth it. On eBay the connectors are going for around £16 which I feel is still too pricey for what it is so I’m going to wait for the plastic reducer I brought. One end is 1/8” and the other end is 1/4” and on the other thread i was reading today this should work with a hose in between with some hose clips or zip ties. Should be here in a few days hopefully that works out or as a last resort buy the connector off eBay.

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You should be able to WALK INTO AN AUTO PARTS store and get the adapter for $2-3 USD...
Likely similar in GB. JUST ASK the parts counter/employee to find it for you. You have a description of it. No need to do everything online. Shipping costs for low cost universal parts tend to be 10x the cost of the part, so they are RARELY SHOWN ONLINE.
You have made things far more complicated than need be. A 5 minute fix with one or two trips to a local store has stretched far too long. Not a knock on you, but sometimes talking to a fellow car person, in person is incredibly useful.
 

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You should be able to WALK INTO AN AUTO PARTS store and get the adapter for $2-3 USD...
Likely similar in GB. JUST ASK the parts counter/employee to find it for you. You have a description of it. No need to do everything online. Shipping costs for low cost universal parts tend to be 10x the cost of the part, so they are RARELY SHOWN ONLINE.
You have made things far more complicated than need be. A 5 minute fix with one or two trips to a local store has stretched far too long. Not a knock on you, but sometimes talking to a fellow car person, in person is incredibly useful.
yeah i have a tendency to make a mountain out of a molehill lol. Thank you and to everyone else who has helped me i really appreciate it.
 
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