real world EVs review

kjclow

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2010 JSW TDI silver and black. 2017 Ram Ecodiesel dark red with brown and beige interior.
That's what I get for not proof reading! Fixed it now.
 

Rob Mayercik

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NJ, U.S.A.
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2002 Jetta GLS, Baltic Green/Beige
Most trucks I've owned, I've always thrown about 100 pounds of sand in the bed for a smoother ride. Helps in winter and rain for traction too. If you get stuck somewhere, you've already got the sand too. My fil used to say that that the only thing four wheel drive did for you on ice was to get all four wheels spinning.
Funny you should mention this - the earliest car I remember my mother driving was a '78 Fairmont wagon with an I-6 motor. My dad would load 200lbs or more of play sand in the back of that thing every fall she had it besides putting the studded snow tires on it, because that car was so light in the rear it would fishtail on a dry dirt road in the height of summer.

My dad used to say something similar about 4WD: Just because you can go in the snow with 4WD, doesn't mean you can turn or stop."
 

Daemon64

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Tyngsborough, Massachusetts
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2022 Polestar 2 BEV - Current, 2021 Q5 55e PHEV - Retired, 2015 Q5 3.0 TDI - Retired, 2013 Golf TDI - Retired
So update. Drove P2 238 miles on Friday. EA charger 110 miles into trip had 2 completely offline 1 person troubleshooting another and the last one with a line of like 5 cars. Left right away and found a "62.5" kw charger at a gas station 15 miles up the road. But that's 62.5kw at 1000v.... sooooo it was 30.8kw at 400v since most cars are 400v, with a handful at 800v. That charging stop cost $10 for 15kwh and took 30 minutes... ( .67 / kwh or .237/mile of charge, car was averaging 353wh/mi and total battery is 75kwh ). It was 80f out we had the air on set at 76deg on eco climate, and I was driving an avg of 68mph for reference.

I get to repeat this trip again with all the same chargers today. Let you know how it goes later but my guess is more of the same.

Can't wait to get back into a diesel--> 22 mo and counting left on the lease.
 

gearheadgrrrl

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Buffalo Ridge (southwest Minnesota)
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'15 Golf DSG, '13 JSW DSG surrendered to VW, '03 Golf 2 door manual
The lack of charging on road is going to kill electrification- Last weekend did an 800 mile 3 day road trip through rural western Iowa and Missouri, didn't see a single charger. Was hauling a motorcycle, so electric range would have been down to around 200 miles and required some out of the way routing to find chargers along I-29. This weekend made a 400 mile day trip to MSP from southwest MN, charging would have added a couple hours to this 15 hour trip and gotten me home long after dark, probably need a motel too.

Conclusion: The low population density in rural America won't support the cost of maintaining chargers out here, even if state and federal grants pay for them. Biofuels are a better option for reducing GHG out here.
 

gulfcoastguy

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TDI sold, Mazda 3 purchased
I was telling my ID4 to chill out, that we had plenty of range. I mean it was showing 32 miles left when I got back home and plugged in. Of course it is warm weather now and the ranges are probably at their yearly maximum.
 

03TDICommuter

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So. Cal
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01' NB, 5spd
That charging stop cost $10 for 15kwh
For my eGolf that would be a little over 60 miles for 15KWH. My TDI Beetle has been getting 49 MPG lately and diesel is $4.43/gal here in overpriced CA.

I do like my eGolf. I don't like what SoCal Edison charges me for eletricity ($0.32/KWH), I don't like the 85 MPH top speed, and I don't like the 120 mile freeway range.
 

03TDICommuter

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So. Cal
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01' NB, 5spd
$0.32/kWh!! :eek: That's almost 3x what is is WA!

-J
I was thinking the same thing- crazy how close WA and OR are with MUCH cheaper power.
Yep, totally getting screwed here. The $0.32 is all-in. Take my bill and divide by the total number of KWh used.

SCE just did a change to net metering too - pretty much doesn't make sense to get solar anymore unless you also get battery storage.
 

turbobrick240

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maine
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2011 vw golf tdi(gone to greener pastures), 2001 ford f250 powerstroke
It looks like Ford is going to adopt Tesla's NACS charging port for their EVs going forward. That's a big deal, and just the first domino to fall leading to NACS truly becoming the North American charging standard, imo.

 

tikal

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Southeast Texas
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2004 Passat Wagon (chainless + 5 MT + GDE tune)
^^^^
turbobrick240, it is a step forward indeed.

For exclusively city driving, are the prices of used (and even new) GM Bolts tanking to the point of being competitive against a used similar ICE vehicle to keep long term (8 to 10 years)?
 

turbobrick240

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^^^^
turbobrick240, it is a step forward indeed.

For exclusively city driving, are the prices of used (and even new) GM Bolts tanking to the point of being competitive against a used similar ICE vehicle to keep long term (8 to 10 years)?

I haven't priced out used Bolts, but they must be a bargain based on the low price of the new ones. If the used Bolt has only had one owner, it's also eligible for a decent rebate/tax break. I would think they'd be a superb city car.
 

turbobrick240

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Following the Ford announcement about their NACS plug adoption next year, Freewire has announced that they will be adding NACS plugs to their chargers next year as well. Electrify America is already using Tesla battery storage at many locations- I wonder how long before they add NACS cords to their stations.

 

gulfcoastguy

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Following the Ford announcement about their NACS plug adoption next year, Freewire has announced that they will be adding NACS plugs to their chargers next year as well. Electrify America is already using Tesla battery storage at many locations- I wonder how long before they add NACS cords to their stations.

If they won't maintain their existing chargers , what difference does it make. I just wish that Tesla would sell me an adapter so that I could use the Superchargers.
 

turbobrick240

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If they won't maintain their existing chargers , what difference does it make. I just wish that Tesla would sell me an adapter so that I could use the Superchargers.
I think it would mainly just be another indicator that NACS is on a path to displace CCS as the favored charging standard for automakers selling cars in N. America. Tesla wants to be able to control which of their stations are available to other manufacturers, but maybe VW comes to a similar arrangement as Ford. In which case you'd probably get the adapter from VW.

Edit: I just came across this outfit that's working on a CCS to NACS adapter.

 
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turbobrick240

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All of the Tesla Model 3s, including the standard range rear drive, qualify for the full $7500 federal tax credit again. Pretty sure the standard range is still using the CATL LFP battery, but they may have switched back to Panasonic ternary.
 

gmenounos

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Watertown, MA, USA
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'99.5 Golf GLS, '01 Jetta GLX Wagon (TDI conversion)
All of the Tesla Model 3s, including the standard range rear drive, qualify for the full $7500 federal tax credit again. Pretty sure the standard range is still using the CATL LFP battery, but they may have switched back to Panasonic ternary.
Wow, I was about to tell you that was no longer true, but I just checked their web site and it's back to $7500 for the RWD standard range. That car is temporarily down to $37,830 for ones already in stock before any tax credits. The long range AWD that I bought (EPA range of 358 miles) is no longer available and has been replaced with one with a different battery that has a range of 333 miles. They seem to be switching batteries a lot this year. Anyway, not regretting my purchase, but a great deal for anyone getting the RWD now, especially if you can get a federal or state tax credit or rebate.
 

turbobrick240

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Wow, I was about to tell you that was no longer true, but I just checked their web site and it's back to $7500 for the RWD standard range. That car is temporarily down to $37,830 for ones already in stock before any tax credits. The long range AWD that I bought (EPA range of 358 miles) is no longer available and has been replaced with one with a different battery that has a range of 333 miles. They seem to be switching batteries a lot this year. Anyway, not regretting my purchase, but a great deal for anyone getting the RWD now, especially if you can get a federal or state tax credit or rebate.
I don't know if that range change represents an actual change to the battery or just the way they're rating it. Must be a little confusing for those who bought a standard range 3 in the last couple of months. Not sure where they stand with the credit.
 
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