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There was mention on the Jeep with the same engine getting around 30 on highway.
 

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OH, Buick is going exactly nowhere. It is HUGE in China, as a result it will live on here. Why huge in China? No idea, but, it is...

Yeah, I hear the ChinaBuick arguement all the time, but it doesn't hold water. The ones they sell there, they build there. They can call them and badge them whatever they want, has nothing to do with what they sell here. Heck, GM doesn't sell Opels here, either, but they do in Europe... and in the UK they sell the same thing, they just badge it Vauxhall.

GM can kill Buick off here and continue to sell them in China, they have really nothing to do with one another.
 

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It was the argument I read in Automotive News by those smarter than I, when they were deciding what divisions to kill and what to keep. Who knows what tomorrow brings for GM? Someone somewhere knows, but, they are not talking...
 

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Although, the other part of the ChinaBuick argument is why Buicks sell so well in China.

See, many Chinese don't want to buy their own brands. And, they see Buick as one of the best American brands, by my understanding (American being something to aspire to).

For that to work long-term, Buick needs to actually be an American brand.

In any case, I can see GMC slowly being merged into Buick - basically the SUV line. As far as pickups, not sure what GM will do - apparently the brand loyalty is such that many GMC buyers would rather buy a Ford or Dodge over a Chevy, so it could be quite painful for GM to discontinue the Sierra. (And, before you say, "discontinue Chevy trucks and keep GMC trucks", it apparently works the other way, too.)
 

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ive been watching this closely as the time frame they are supposed to come out lines up perfect for me for my next ride.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ram_(automobile)
keep in mind, Ram trucks are not the same trucks they used to be. Chrysler had a bit of a turn around a few years ago when the quality of their products were severely lacking. Ram broke off to solely build trucks after Chrysler allied with Fiat (Dodge to make cars only).

If you don't believe the quality has improved since 2009, heres a look at the awards they have won the past few years.
http://www.ramtrucks.com/en/2013/ram_1500/awards/


the diesel offerings from a few years ago from chrysler group used a mercedes diesel (the CRD). The motor being offered in the new Ram trucks and Grand Cherokee is made by VM Motori of Italy and has been in service in europe for a few years now and has been doing well based on what I can find.


we'll see what happens but i am very interested in this and also to see what GM does. on my deployments, there are a lot of those little Chevy Colorado/Ford Ranger sized pickups with the 2.5l diesel engines everywhere that are really cool and ive seen some talk of one of those ending up over in the states. needless to say, ill be keeping a good eye on it.
 

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The old Grand Cherokee was MB powered, but the new Grand Cherokee is VM powered. :)
Ha ha, understood, thought I'd clarify since it seemed like whitedog was responding to the previous post:

the diesel offerings from a few years ago from chrysler group used a mercedes diesel (the CRD). The motor being offered in the new Ram trucks and Grand Cherokee is made by VM Motori of Italy and has been in service in europe for a few years now and has been doing well based on what I can find.
He did say is but I'd read that as a reference to the GC that is available rather than the GC planned for future release. But let us not dwell on pedantics!

US Jeep diesels 2005-2014: VM Motori --> M-B --> VM Motori
 

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And the little Jeeps outside of the US (Patriot, Compass) were equipped with Volkswagen diesels. :p As was the Caliber and Mitsubishi Endeavor.

I think they use someone else's now.
 

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And the little Jeeps outside of the US (Patriot, Compass) were equipped with Volkswagen diesels. :p As was the Caliber and Mitsubishi Endeavor.
I think they use someone else's now.
Patriot has been removed from the Euro market. Compass has a Mercedes OM651 now. Caliber should have gotten that too, but Dodge left the Euro market in 2011... Endeavor doesn't exist in Europe, Outlander used to have VW diesel, later switched to PSA (Peugeot and Citroën both had badge engineered Outlanders).
The latest Outlander still uses a 2.2 diesel, no idea whether that's still the PSA unit or a homegrown one.
 

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Ah, yeah, I meant Outlander... I get those confused.

Mitsubishi is about ready to pull out of the market here.
 

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I would expect fuel economy of these trucks to reach 30mpg (us gallon) on the highway running 65. That is what the 5000-6000lb Mercedes 3.0L CDI's run easily enough, similar weight more aero but all wheel drive vs rwd. It will be really interesting to see them, can't wait! I imagine the dealers are going to get in deep sh** over them, an italian diesel engine just wait! Wierd, GM just bought a huge stake in VM motori, I wonder why Chrysler is bringing them and not GM. I wish they would worry about smaller diesels, Mercedes/Audi/VW already have good V6 diesels, we need smaller ones here that put fuel economy/cost of ownership ahead of power. Imagine if Ford had kept the Ranger going another year of two and dropped a 4 cyl diesel in it to refresh sales (it was $15k, charge $18-20k for the diesel and see what happens) yes an old truck but what else do you actually need in a truck of that size? I would happily replace my Jetta with a smaller pickup that is capable of similar FE.
I think most are going to find the 8speed trans very annoying, it is useless with diesel torque as it must interupt the power flow to shift, and it shifts a lot and is very annoying (have a 7 spd Mercedes cdi, terrible driving experience vs an old school cummins with 4 spd auto). Diesels like staying in gear and using low end torque, with too many gears this is not possible and takes a ton of extra fuel.
 

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VM Motori has been tossed around like a hot potato, as far as ownership.

The recent history alone...

1995, bought by Detroit Diesel
2000, Detroit Diesel bought by DaimlerChrysler
2003, Penske bought 51% of VM Motori
2007, Penske bought the other 49%, and then sold 50% to GM
2011, Fiat bought Penske's remaining 50%

So, VM Motori is essentially a GM/Fiat joint venture at this point. As I understand, the VM Motori 4-cylinders are the basis for the GM Family Z engine made in Korea.

Given that Fiat owns Chrysler...
 

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And the CKRA is based on something that dates back to... well, the same time period. Which in turn is very heavily based on something that dates back to 1974.
 

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Not quite here yet, but soon. We shall see how it does and its pricing. The same powertrain combo is a $2200-2600 upcharge over the Hemi in the Grand Cherokee.

Now if only Ram can increase the payload on their half tons to pull an 8k pound trailer and carry a family.
 
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Not quite here yet, but soon. We shall see how it does and its pricing. The same powertrain combo is a $2200-2600 upcharge over the Hemi in the Grand Cherokee.

Now if only Ram can increase the payload on their half tons to pull an 8k pound trail and carry a family.
Pricing is key for me. If they load up the truck with manditory options, they will not sell one to me. If they offer the engine in a tradesman package/price, I can see a whole bunch selling. Unfortunately Ram is only offering the v6 gas engine in a loaded up configuration. So if you want more mpg, you have to buy high profit options.
 

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A recent Ram 1500 road test with the new v6 gas engine, 2WD SLT shortbox no nav, etc had MRSP at almost $38k. Some say that's more than an optioned EB F150. Something's out of wack with Ram pricing. And with the new diesel it would be over $40k.
 

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If it is anything like the Grand Cherokee it should be mid to high 20's, maybe even 30mpg. Hope it is not an overpriced chee-chee laden platform.
 

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A recent Ram 1500 road test with the new v6 gas engine, 2WD SLT shortbox no nav, etc had MRSP at almost $38k.
See, I'm not even that old and I find that to be outrageous. Right around 2000 you could get a stripped down work truck Ram 2500 (vinyl floor, manual windows, etc.) for about $20k. I never thought I would live to see the day that fully optioned 2500 and 3500 pickups are going over $60k. My parents bought their house for $32,000!
 

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Towing capacity will not be any different from their existing 1500 trucks. This is because it will have the same transmission as their 3.6L gasser.
 

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Chrysler has their stuff together.
P.O.S. Ford diesels have given Ford a bad name. Chrysler already has a good diesel reputation due to the Dodge Cummins platform.
 
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