Premium Diesel Map, 50 Cetane minimum

Cosmo's UNA

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Has anyone established a data base, even an informal one?
Here are three in Central Virginia, all are Southern States, all are 50 cetane.
Stevens City, VA, 5784 Valley Pike
Staunton, VA, 650 Lee-Jackson Hwy
Lexington, VA, 645 Waddell St and South Main
 

jayb79

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Any station advertising 50 cetane is just that advertising. They only have to meet the minimum and there are no testing standards for anything other than that. It's not like gasoline. That's why you can't find any list. This is only my opinion as I have never been able to find any facts on higher cetane values only minimums.
 

Cosmo's UNA

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Someone started a thread ten or more years ago on the subject. I'm going to directly contact a distributor here in central VA. My 03 gets +2 mpg with the 50 cetane. You know damn well if a station was charging for premium gasoline and giving you regular at the pump there would be trouble in river city. Too bad individual state's weight and measure certifications don't (or do they?) keep track of cetane values!
 

dieseldonato

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So long as the fuel meets minimum valve (I think it's 40) no one cares what the rating is from the scale and measure department. While higher cetane is bennificial, most stations arnt going to put a "premium" diesel out there and not charge extra for it.
 

milktree

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Can anyone explain in science/technical terms why higher cetane increases torque/power/fuel economy?

Do the engines have some sensors that can tell what the burn rate of the fuel is and adjust injection timing to take advantage of it?

My understanding is that higher ctane fuel will ignite at lower energy levels, (kinda the opposite of octane rating) but once it's igniting, the flame front will travel the same speed.

Is it just that because the fuel ignites sooner the power pulse is sooner, and pushes on the piston sooner?
 

ZippyNH

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It's important to know that most diesel in the USA is produced for use in trucks...they consume that VAST MAJORITY of it...
The engines in trucks actually do better (mpg wise) with lower cetane...
So unlike Europe with lots of diesel cars, it's unlikely you will ever find "premium" diesel in North America that's anything other than "cleaner" or has a little bit more additional additives added.
Wikipedia and UTube University is your friend.
From Wikipedia
Generally, diesel engines operate well with a CN from 48 to 50. Fuels with lower cetane number have longer ignition delays, requiring more time for the fuel combustion process to be completed. Hence, higher speed diesel engines operate more effectively with higher cetane number fuels.

So essentially diesel fuel in the North America is typically produced for use in trucks that typically run at much lower RPM than small displacement car engines.
Some additives do improve cetane, but generally they are cost effective from a mpg perspective, even if there are other benefits...the CN improvement is just a freebie
 
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milktree

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It's important to know that most diesel in the USA is produced for use in trucks...they consume that VAST MAJORITY of it...
The engines in trucks actually do better (mpg wise) with lower cetane...
Wait, are you saying that trucks fare better with lower cetane fuel than cars, or than with higher ctane?

I'd believe that trucks benefit less from higher cetane than cars do, but not that they actually perform better with lower cetane.
 

ZippyNH

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Trucks do well with lower cetane... within reason of course.
Remember running a 13-16 liter (even 18) 6 cylinder is different than much higher rpm 4 cylinder.... large ships diesel engines with cylinders you can physically stand in that are diesel and often run heavy bunker oil that's so thick it must be heated to be pumped...I don't even wanna know what that stuff would test at, 😂
The difference isn't huge, but remember trucking is a game of pennies per mile and companies work hard to maximize mpg .... 2 tenths of a mpg is huge...some rigs even 10 years ago would occasionally get 10 mpg at 80,000 lbs. I've done it going across i-90 regularly hauling bottles Poland spring water and kegs of sam Adams beer. Sure....the HIGHER cetane fuel, either from the pump or thanks to an additive was better and easier driving but the the numbers didn't lie, even the "safety department" (catch all for most things) steered people get fuel at certain places... Irving in the NE typically has a interesting seasonal shift..so winter fuel there was generally avoided unless it was going to be extremely cold (they typically blend #1+#2 for winter rather than treating it)
Now was the better mpg cause there was slightly less power so people couldn't get their foot into it? Perhaps. Was it because the fuel was heavier so had more BTU? Very likely.
But the basics are...the typical VW TDI engine will always be running somewhat worse than ones in Europe running fuel that's tailored to them...there just isn't enough cars using diesel to refine "premium" diesel other than retailers dumping a bottle of additional additives in and saying premium.
Buy your fuel at reputable high volume sellers, keep your filter fresh and IMHO use a lubricity additive if you have a cp-4 pump. Beyond that drive more, worry less, enjoy your car.
 

Canary5.0

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Someone started a thread ten or more years ago on the subject. I'm going to directly contact a distributor here in central VA. My 03 gets +2 mpg with the 50 cetane. You know damn well if a station was charging for premium gasoline and giving you regular at the pump there would be trouble in river city. Too bad individual state's weight and measure certifications don't (or do they?) keep track of cetane values!
I saved this as a favorite years ago. Maybe the thread you mentioned.
 
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