Power Service Fuel Additive

[racefan48]

After reading this site for a while, I have decided to start using Power Service at every fill-up. I typically don't let the tank run all the way to empty, and because of that I can't figure out exactly how much PS to use at each fill up, because the tank is typically between 1/4 and 1/2 full (math is not my thing).

That being said and the fact that I am a newbie with slightly obsessive tendencies, I was wondering if using more Power Service than recommended will harm the engine. In other words, if I use four ounces (the recommended amount per full tank-I think) will I put myself at risk of harming the engine?

Your input is appreciated.

Thanks!

 

[ruking]

No, not at all.

 

[dieseldorf]

Powerservice is added @ 400:1

No, not really. However, make sure you're using the silver bottle during the summer months...it's best not to use anti-gel when it's not needed.

Welcome aboard!

 

[MacBuckeye]

Used PS almost from day one in my 2009. All is well so far. Started using Stanadyne PF, but I think I will switch back to PS. Rust and lubricity seem to be the two evils with our fuel systems in our cars.

 

[GibMir1]

I too use PS every tank. In Illinois many pumps dispense b11 because of tax breaks. I use it for a cetane boost, and measure 100mL per full-tank refuel (slight under-dose). Remember silver in summer, white in winter.

 

[RebelTDI]

I had been using PS intermittently. Now that a 5% biodiesel blend is available I have switched to that. This has the advantage of staying within the guidelines in the owner's manual, for what it's worth. The issue of concern is lubricity and 5% BD blend takes care of that. Plus, you don't have to make an extra stop to buy PS and you don't have to mess with adding the PS. Whatever you are happy with!

 

[mdoaw12i]

I use PS, white in winter/silver the rest of the year...been doing so sincce i got the car mainly for lubricity, have 14k miles and all is well

 

[sgoldste01]

I announced yesterday that I started using PS in my 2010 Golf TDI with 3500 miles on it, to improve lubricity, in this thread:

http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=275180&page=24

People there are telling me about the risk to my warranty, that PS has never proven with data that lubricity is improved by using their products, etc.

It's no surprise, but it sure is hard to know who to believe.

 

[securityguy]

Steve, I, too, used PS in the Silver bottle religiously for the first few months of ownership until I read the Spicer Report and other posts on this site. The report demonstrated that PS did NOTHING for lubricity which is what all of us desperately need based on poor fuel quality in most of the states (some members claim they have received info from oil companies that their diesel meets/exceeds the required ratings for our HPFP and if they wish to really believe that than that's up to them). There are several others additives available that are FAR superior to PS which is why I stated what I stated on your other thread. Do your research and you will come to the same conclusion as many of us have and stop using PS. They may not all be locally available, which is not an issue although some folks make it out to be a big deal, and are easily obtained as I buy mine over the Inet.

 

[speed185187]

Ashless 2-cycle oil.

1oz per gallon of D2.

Been doing it since I bought my car and truck to help with lubricity.

 

[sgoldste01]

Ashless 2-cycle oil.

1oz per gallon of D2.

Been doing it since I bought my car and truck to help with lubricity.

How did you learn that 2-cycle oil improves lubricity? How did you learn what quantity to use? How do you know which brands are ashless?

 

[Honeydew]

How did you learn that 2-cycle oil improves lubricity? How did you learn what quantity to use? How do you know which brands are ashless?

That info is in the spicer report referenced earlier. Ashless is on the label. I use the same brand tested because it is the cheap walmart house brand. Prior to use in cars with DPF, owner should investigate sulfur content of 2-stoke oil to determine whether its use is safe for the emissions equipment.

 

[sgoldste01]

That info is in the spicer report referenced earlier. Ashless is on the label. I use the same brand tested because it is the cheap walmart house brand. Prior to use in cars with DPF, owner should investigate sulfur content of 2-stoke oil to determine whether its use is safe for the emissions equipment.

Is anyone with a CR TDI using 2-stroke oil as an additive?

 

[concours]

Power Service at 6 oz. per 14/15 gallon tank. Every tank for 352,000 miles. All original fuel system components are still in service.

 

[MacBuckeye]

Let's assume for a minute that PS has poor lubricity (per the Spicer report). I'll go back to what I posted in another thread.
After 32K miles and a clean bill of health....
1) My car is blessed with a good HPFP and good fuel system components.
2) I've purchased nothing but the best quality fuel (that's quesionable)
3) Using PowerService kept my fuel system from rusting & crapping out
4) Wasting money on additives that aren't doing anything
5) None of the above or All of the above

Lubrication and water seem to be the two evils we are faced with. I can only go by what has worked for me. I would love to think (and expect) any filling station across the USofA selling diesel would not harm my car.

I met an older couple last week driving a 2010 JSW. They had no clue about HPFP, lubricity, etc. etc. They just looked at me funny. Are they driving a ticking time bomb? I wasn't sure if I should warn them or just let them go on their way. The uninformed owner has no clue. Sometimes too much information can be dangerous and misleading. All of us just have to do what we each feel is the best for our cars.

 

[El Dobro]

I was looking at the Spicer report yesterday and noticed that it's from 2007. Is there an update?

 

[Elfnmagik]

Is there an issue to be concerned regarding opened bottles of PS that have to be stored? I've got a bottle of both white and silver that have been opened for about a year.

 

[Lex4TDI4Life]

How do you know which brands are ashless?...

Ashless 2-stroke is labelled TC-W3 on the bottle.

 

[sgoldste01]

That info is in the spicer report referenced earlier. Ashless is on the label. I use the same brand tested because it is the cheap walmart house brand. Prior to use in cars with DPF, owner should investigate sulfur content of 2-stoke oil to determine whether its use is safe for the emissions equipment.

I'm looking at the Spicer report right now, and I don't see anything about 2-stroke oil. I see user motor oil, but don't see 2-stroke oil.

 

[Honeydew]

It's there, look again:

7)Super Tech Outboard 2-cycle TC-W3 engine oil
Unconventional (Not ULSD compliant, may damage 2007 or newer systems)
HFRR 474, 162 micron improvement
200:1 ratio
16.64 oz/tank
$1.09/tank
13)Used Motor Oil, Shell Rotella T 15w40, 5,000 miles used.
Unconventional (Not ULSD compliant, may damage systems)
HFRR 634, 2 micron improvement
200:1 ratio
16.64 oz/tank
price: market value

 

[TooSlick]

Have you looked at the additive chemistry of a TC-W3, two stroke oil, particularly in terms of phosphorus & sulphur content? Might not be the best thing for a DPF equipped engine....

TS

 

[Fobulous]

Should i start adding this stuff to my 2010 Jetta?

I found Power Service on Amazon

http://www.amazon.com/Power-Service..._1?ie=UTF8&s=automotive&qid=1276620839&sr=8-1

IS the above the correct one to get?

 

[sgoldste01]

Should i start adding this stuff to my 2010 Jetta?

I found Power Service on Amazon

http://www.amazon.com/Power-Service%C2%AE-Diesel-Kleen-Additive/dp/B002NV4XXE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=automotive&qid=1276620839&sr=8-1

IS the above the correct one to get?

Yes. Use the stuff in the silver bottle in the summer, and in the white bottle in the winter. The white bottle contains an anti-gel additive which you don't need right now.

 

[SIN-TDI]

Fob, I was perusing the local advance auto parts and it was a few dollars less for the same bottle. Might want to look local. i'm at 1/2 a tank myself in my new '10 tdi and wondering if i should get some or not.

i'm no gear head and have never owned a diesel or used fuel additives ever before. so im sitting on the fence on this right now.

 

[Lex4TDI4Life]

Just curious, how is the water separator on the CR fuel filters?

Given the right tolerances, I would be hesitant to put in any additive that emulsifies water. Better to use a demulsifier and help the fuel filter's water separator to do its job. If cetane and lubricity is what you're after, I would use B2/B5, if available.

 

[nj1266]

Just curious, how is the water separator on the CR fuel filters?

Given the right tolerances, I would be hesitant to put in any additive that emulsifies water. Better to use a demulsifier and help the fuel filter's water separator to do its job. If cetane and lubricity is what you're after, I would use B2/B5, if available.

As far as I know, the CR does not have a water separator in the filter assembly. The early ones had that screw on the top of the filter assembly cover, but on later CRs the screw was removed. My 2010 TDI does not come with one. In one of the Stanadyne papers, they mention the use of water separators with their products since Stanadyne is a demulsifier.

 

[sgoldste01]

As far as I know, the CR does not have a water separator in the filter assembly. The early ones had that screw on the top of the filter assembly cover, but on later CRs the screw was removed. My 2010 TDI does not come with one. In one of the Stanadyne papers, they mention the use of water separators with their products since Stanadyne is a demulsifier.

Precisely why I won't put Stanadyne Performance Formula in my 2010 TDI, even though it does a good job improving lubricity. Don't want to create a new problem at the same time I'm fixing another problem. I would use Stanadyne's Lubricity Formula, though; I don't believe there's any demulsifiers in that product.

 

[Elfnmagik]

DanG144 and I did a filter change on my '09 this past weekend. It's the second change. The first was at 20k and this one at 32k. We also removed the canister and detached the center fuel column. There was no water that we could detect collecting in the canister nor in the fuel that was removed from it. There were however metal flakes visible on the filter. I've used PS since the beginning and as of late last year began using a mixture of B100/PS to make B2 in the tank.

 

[Plus 3 Golfer]

Here's actual test data on PS lubricity. These tests show DK and DFS lower untreated fuel to well below 460 microns at a treatment ratio of 1:1000 - 1:1500.

 

[40X40]

Should i start adding this stuff to my 2010 Jetta?

I found Power Service on Amazon

http://www.amazon.com/Power-Service..._1?ie=UTF8&s=automotive&qid=1276620839&sr=8-1

IS the above the correct one to get?

You can also find it at:

Walmart
Auto parts stores
Truck stops
Farm supply stores
Marine supply stores

Bill