Poll "EPA" cheat device

Would you still buy your TDI today after knowing about the latest EPA issue?

  • Yes, I would still buy it

    Votes: 134 59.0%
  • No, I would wait

    Votes: 93 41.0%

  • Total voters
    227
  • Poll closed .

cane929

Veteran Member
Joined
Jun 17, 2015
Location
FL
TDI
2015 GSW TDI DSG S
If you knew about the latest EPA "cheat device" issue before you bought your TDI car, would you still buy it or wait till issue is resolved?
 

FiveFilter

Well-known member
Joined
Sep 19, 2012
Location
Louisiana
TDI
2013
With all the issues already facing the TDI, especially the continuing HPFP elephant-in-the-room, and then this cheating heartbreaker, nope, they add up to dealbreaker.
 

Rico567

Top Post Dawg
Joined
Jun 13, 2003
Location
Central IL
TDI
2013 Passat TDI SEL Premium (Turned in 7/7/18)
I voted "yes." VW broke some EPA regulations, they didn't kick my dog. Our car still runs fine, and IMHO VW is still going to be around to support it. Other opinions may vary, of course, but you know what they say about opinions.......yeah, "everybody's got one."
 

CruisingWagon

Well-known member
Joined
Aug 15, 2015
Location
Indianapolis
TDI
2015 Golf SportWagen TDI S
Today is my one month anniversary of owning my 2015 GSW TDI S. I voted no because:

1. I'm very concerned about my resale value now.
2. I'm concerned about the performance of my TDI after a recall fix
3. I'm also concerned about the fuel economy after a recall fix

Last, but a bit less important, is that I touted how my little diesel wagon was a smart choice compared to the ugly little hybrids and high priced electric vehicles out there. Fuel efficient and low emissions, I said. Now I will get to eat humble pie in the office.
 
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Lightflyer1

Top Post Dawg
Joined
Sep 13, 2005
Location
Round Rock, Texas
TDI
2015 Beetle tdi dsg
1. If you don't sell it right now, resale value makes no difference. Why are you concerned about the resale value of a car you just bought a month ago? Something wrong with that picture.

2. Wait and see what happens.

3. Wait and see what happens.

Your diesel is still the cleanest thing around except for NOX emissions, sometimes.
Should have kept your mouth closed and just enjoyed your car. Those that brag often get to eat humble pie. If you are really concerned about 2 and 3 buy a Flaszilla and store your current tune. Have the fix done and then revert it back to this original tune. You can switch back and forth at will. Kind of like VW did. Until all the facts come out you should just drive and enjoy your new car. There will be time enough to worry later "if" need be.

http://www.fixmyvw.com/flashzilla-tune-loader/
 
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Dozenspeed

Top Post Dawg
Joined
May 1, 2012
I'm glad I have one and not in the market right now. Also glad it doesn't need inspection for another 22 months. I hope to keep her out of VW's hands until they buy if off me for dissection to figure out why it works so good. :cool:
 

CruisingWagon

Well-known member
Joined
Aug 15, 2015
Location
Indianapolis
TDI
2015 Golf SportWagen TDI S
I see opinions on here are not allowed if they differ from yours.

However, I make no apologies for disagreeing with you.
 

Lightflyer1

Top Post Dawg
Joined
Sep 13, 2005
Location
Round Rock, Texas
TDI
2015 Beetle tdi dsg
Opinions are allowed just not yours alone. Everyone else is entitled to theirs as well. Even if it differs from yours. The whole point of a forum is everyone gets to air their opinion.
 

srs5694

Veteran Member
Joined
Aug 22, 2014
Location
Woonsocket, RI
TDI
2015 Golf SE TDI, MT
My purchase decision (in late 2014) was neck-and-neck between a 2015 Golf and a 2015 Prius. If I'd known then what I know now, this scandal would have more than tipped the scale to the Prius.
 

cevans

TDIClub Enthusiast, TDI Parts Ninja Vendor , w/Bus
Joined
Sep 24, 2002
Location
Hingham, MA
TDI
2015 Beetle Conv. TDI 6-Speed & 2006 E320 CDI
I think the question is missing a piece of information - how would the car be WITHOUT the unique programming. Worse MPG? If MPGs dropped by 5mpg or something ridiculous then no, I wouldn't get my TDI. Otherwise, I don't really care about the legal/regulatory battle here - I'm happy with the car, and I think the regulations on diesels are embarrassingly misguided and misinformed.
 

kirbfucius

Veteran Member
Joined
Apr 12, 2011
Location
Raleigh, NC USA
TDI
2011 Golf TDI
Nope, I love my '11 Golf and will be keeping it until the wheels fall off. However, my check engine light just came on and is showing an O2 sensor code. The car's still under warranty so that will be covered, but I'm a little concerned about what will happen to my fuel economy or power if there's a reflash already made.

On the other hand, North Carolina doesn't do emission testing on diesel engines for inspection, so once my extended warranty runs out I'll probably flash it and go from there.
 

Borsig

Vendor , w/Business number
Joined
Oct 22, 2009
Location
va
TDI
2015 Golf TDI SE, 2015 GSW SEL (buyback), 2011 JSW (sold)
Id wait until I see what the detune looks like - but I wouldn give my new one up for any trade at this point, as long as I can keep it from being detuned
 

Lightflyer1

Top Post Dawg
Joined
Sep 13, 2005
Location
Round Rock, Texas
TDI
2015 Beetle tdi dsg
Or a dead one for tampering with some jail time. I have a feeling a lot of the tuning places are going to be looked at shortly.
 

powerfool

Veteran Member
Joined
May 25, 2012
Location
Indianapolis Metro Area
TDI
None anymore
I am generally not worried about resale value as I intended to keep the car until the wheels fall off.

In regards to emissions, I wasn't entirely concerned with the emissions when I bought it because it is fuel efficient. Sure, the NOx is higher, but it uses less fuel and has lower CO2 based on the use of less fuel. The NOx may turn out to be a bigger deal over time, but perhaps that can be addressed, at least in part, through more frequent regen cycles and increased usage of DEF.

My concern is that we planned on acquiring a VW Cross Blue within the first two years of it being on the market, with the Cross Blue replacing our Passat's current usage and the Passat replacing our Jetta's current use. So, a couple of scenarios: 1) Delay in the release of the Cross Blue, 2) No diesel option for the Cross Blue, 3) or cancelled Cross Blue. I really liked the idea of Cross Blue for a number of reasons because it was still diesel, the passenger count matched our Traverse that we traded in to get the Passat, and the electric-only option for short trips... plus the overall fuel economy is slated to be even better than the Passat.

Now, it may be that the Passat continues to operate within its current capacity in our family and maybe a BMW i3 to replace the Jetta when that time comes. Then, maybe in the next 12-15 years when we plan to replace the Passat, maybe there will be new considerations on the market outside of VW diesels.
 

chaoscreature

Veteran Member
Joined
Sep 10, 2007
Location
vista, ca
TDI
2006 Jetta TDI Special Edition
My purchase decision (in late 2014) was neck-and-neck between a 2015 Golf and a 2015 Prius. If I'd known then what I know now, this scandal would have more than tipped the scale to the Prius.
The Prious is such a soul-less car to drive... it's really a shame the US doesn't get more small fuel efficient cars, our options kind of suck. Of the few fun AFFORDABLE cars that get 40+mpg, I think the VW TDI series is hands down the best in the US. I am going to hang on to both my TDI's for the time being, but will most definitely give the TDI a serious consideration when the time comes to replace one.
 

Mike_04GolfTDI

Top Post Dawg
Joined
Nov 19, 2003
Location
Richmond, BC, Canada
TDI
Mine: 2019 Golf R DSG, Wife's: 2015 Golf Comfortline TDI
Today is my one month anniversary of owning my 2015 GSW TDI S. I voted no because:

1. I'm very concerned about my resale value now.
2. I'm concerned about the performance of my TDI after a recall fix
3. I'm also concerned about the fuel economy after a recall fix

Last, but a bit less important, is that I touted how my little diesel wagon was a smart choice compared to the ugly little hybrids and high priced electric vehicles out there. Fuel efficient and low emissions, I said. Now I will get to eat humble pie in the office.
If they stop selling TDIs, your resale value should go up. There are fanatics who want them and will pay, even if it's irrational.

Your performance probably won't suffer. For the 2015+ cars equipped with the AdBlue system they can probably just increase the usage of AdBlue fluid. The 2009-2014 models are the ones people should be more concerned about. They don't have AdBlue, so it's not as simple as using more reagent. Don't know what they'll do about those ones, but probably nothing anyone will like.
 

TDI2000Zim

Veteran Member
Joined
Jul 23, 2010
Location
NJ
TDI
VW hat meinen '14 Passat TDiSE getötet.
If they stop selling TDIs, your resale value should go up. There are fanatics who want them and will pay, even if it's irrational.

Your performance probably won't suffer. For the 2015+ cars equipped with the AdBlue system they can probably just increase the usage of AdBlue fluid. The 2009-2014 models are the ones people should be more concerned about. They don't have AdBlue, so it's not as simple as using more reagent. Don't know what they'll do about those ones, but probably nothing anyone will like.
If they stop selling our 2009-2015 models, that means that there is no trade in value (dealers can't sell them forward), and that the entire fleet may end up in the scrap heap.

The best alternative is to negotiate with the EPA, down-tune the cars, and treat the buyers with consolation prizes (a 10-20% discount on a new VW).
 

cloud09

Well-known member
Joined
Aug 1, 2009
Location
Florida
TDI
09 Jetta TDI
There is still not any other car that comes close to the VW TDI Jetta or Passat performance, quality, and mileage for the same price. If I were in the market to buy now and VW was able to still sell TDIs in the US, I would use the bad news to negotiate a better deal on the purchase. Just think if VW did not make this terrible mistake, none of us would be driving TDIs today. Even worse, some might be driving priuses!

Hard to understand how BMW could make the X5 diesel CUV compliant with US emission standards and VW couldn't do it with lighter, more aerodynamic cars, without cheating.

Sent from my Nexus 10 using Tapatalk
 

CruisingWagon

Well-known member
Joined
Aug 15, 2015
Location
Indianapolis
TDI
2015 Golf SportWagen TDI S
If they stop selling TDIs, your resale value should go up. There are fanatics who want them and will pay, even if it's irrational.

Your performance probably won't suffer. For the 2015+ cars equipped with the AdBlue system they can probably just increase the usage of AdBlue fluid. The 2009-2014 models are the ones people should be more concerned about. They don't have AdBlue, so it's not as simple as using more reagent. Don't know what they'll do about those ones, but probably nothing anyone will like.
Thanks Mike. I appreciate your much friendlier response.
 

BigCE

Active member
Joined
Jul 7, 2015
Location
Alberta
TDI
2015 Jetta
I honestly don't understand why people are loosing there minds over this?

Emissions on diesel engines specifically EGR and DPF systems are incredibly harmful to the engine. I always wondered why VW had such a small failure rate compared to other diesel manufactures dealing with the same EPA guidelines.

I for one was happy to hear the news, "genius" was the first thing that came to mind. Good job getting away with it since 2009 kudos. Second thing that came to mind was I now need to avoid the dealer more than ever because guaranteed they will be forced to re flash everybody's computer to "fix" the issue which will make all the emissions systems work overtime and you will begin to see failures left right and center. Mileage will also suffer undoubtedly.

So to answer the poll would I have bought my car with this knowledge prior, the answer is I would have bought one sooner.
 
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