PD recall

[911Targasc]

I apologize that this is slightly off topic here but I need to talk to Pumpe duse owners.

I am looking in to getting a diesel so I can run biodiesel in it. B100 is the plan, not petro at all. My eye was on the '05 Passat TDI PD because here in th US thats the most powerful TDI I am aware of that is not residing in an SUV. Here is the question: I have been hearing that there are problems with running bio, or at least with 100% bio in the pumpe duse motors (possibly due to extremely high pressures in the injectors causing plasticizing of the fuel on the injector tips). Does anyone know anythign about this?
Thanks!

 

[PDJetta]

Perhaps. I think the real issue is that its quite possible to get a bad batch. The PDs can not handle that. What I do know is that its possible to make biodiesel that has contaminants in it. Namely methanol, glycerine, and water left over from manufacturer, and not to mention particulate matter (especially if you are using old fryer oil). The PDs are much more sensitive to these contaminates, AND components are way more expensive (like injections). I'm not sure what kind of quality control you can get with biodiesel. I'd imagine if its PURE biodiesel, it may not be a problem, but you have to be 100% sure you are getting nothing else.

--Nate

 

[danielttt]

I took it in last week. Took about 3 hours for everything. New pump looks identical to old one except for a green dot of paint. Lynch Imports in Daytona Beach did it all and were very nice to deal with.

 

[Dick_Larimore]

I have the web version of the Bently for the Passat, and according to it the valve cover does not come off to remove the tandem fuel pump. First, the fuel lines to and from the fuel pump are removed at the fuel filter. A Mighty Vac is used to suck the diesel fuel from the tandem pump. Next, the vacuum and fuel lines are removed from the pump. Once the lines are off, 4 bolts are removed and the pump pulled off. Assembly is done in the reverse order. The Mighty Vac is then used to pull fuel back thru the pump from the fuel filter and the job is done. A tech in a hurry would likely skip the process of removing the fuel from the lines and let it pour out on the back of the engine. I have two Passat '05 TDIs and one had the Luk pump replaced last Thursday. It now sports a green mark on the new Luk pump. The other Passat has a Bosch pump and did not need replacement.

 

[Tom Servo]

I haven't read through the entire thread yet but thought I'd post a quick reply - had my recalled 05 Golf taken care of with the last oil change (the last one the dealer will do, yay!) and they replaced mine... But I didn't smell fuel before, now I do! I hope it was just messy technicians and not a bad install!

Will check it out tonight. :/

 

[TDINJ]

Tom/Zach - I had mine replaced today also. They probably spilled a little while taking the other pump off. I could smell raw diesel on mine afterwards too.

Some fuel had spilled down on top of the transmission on my Jetta. I wiped it off with a paper towel and then took it to a spray wash. After spraying the engine it was fine. Just look it over and make sure they put the fuel lines back on correctly and that they aren't leaking where they've been reattached at the fuel pump.

I get so nervous when a dealer touches any car of mine...

 

[GettysburgTDI]

I had my 05 PD in for the recall about 2 weeks ago. The service department was Sheratt Volkswagen in Hagerstown, MD.

He had a replacement pump ready for me, but after inspection, he said mine wasn't one of the bad ones and didn't need replacement. He also said most of the others that have been brought in to him did need to be replaced. Interesting. Wonder why mine was ok?

 

[whitedog]

As noted above, the first thing I did was open the hood and check before I left the lot. When I found the fuel splashed all over, I had them correct the situation. I know all too well that the dealer won't get paid for more than flat-rate, but I also know that it is important to take care of the customer. The shop will likly be getting their normal shop rate (if not more) in reimbursment for the Warranty work, so they are making a profit. Two minutes on the wash rack is a good investment.

In hindsight, maybe what I should have done was driven home, then called them and told them I smelled raw fuel. Made them make the time to look at it again and wash it off.

 

[GettysburgTDI]

The shop will likly be getting their normal shop rate (if not more) in reimbursment for the Warranty work, so they are making a profit.

When I took mine in, the service technician mentioned that Volkswagen of America wasn't reimbursing any of the service departments for labor.

 

[whitedog]

When I took mine in, the service technician mentioned that Volkswagen of America wasn't reimbursing any of the service departments for labor.

I'm not sure how VW is structured, but the dealer isn't the one paying the cost of warranty work that was caused by a fault at VW or their supplier.

 

[TDI66]

Does anyone have a list of affected VINs for Jettas. I think I saw it posted somewhere here before, but I can't find it again. I just picked up my 05 Jetta yesterday and I mentioned the pump recall to the service manager and he said that they would check it out at the first service (I'll be servicing it myself, but whatever). He didn't seem concerned about it saying that they had not seen any leaking at their dealership (Capilano, N.Vancouver). It's not that I don't trust him, it's just that... well... I don't trust him.

 

[bjmarler]

Call VW of America. They will look up your VIN for you.

 

[Sooch]

I just spoke to the dealer to set up an appointment on my 05 Golf. It's due for the 5K oil change, and I figure I better have the dealer do the first one. The folks at Clearlake VW say it is subject to the pump recall, so we'll see how they do. I also threw a MIL code for glow plug 3 or something...didn't really look at the vag-com that closely since I just wanted to check to make sure it wasn't going to destroy anything. I'll report back when the work is done.

 

[supton]

Sooch, check and make sure that they use 505.01 oil! Ask them before you let them touch it, I don't remember the VW part number but the oil *must* be 505.01 compliant!

 

[Sooch]

Thanks for the reminder. Actually about a week after I got the car I stopped by this dealer and asked for 2 quarts of oil. They gave me the right stuff, passing test 1. I'll be sure to double check though!

 

[supton]

3 weeks and still no pump... You'd think if they knew they had to replace x pumps, they'd have sent over x+1k pumps! It's on backorder or something.

 

[PDJetta]

That's right up there with the 45 days it took the dealer to get glow plugs for my PD to replace one that went out at 9,000 miles. They were backordered!

--Nate

 

[jc7349]

I waited to run thru two tanks of fuel to gauge how the new injectors and glow plugs performed. Cold weather starts have definitly improved, less rough running. Fuel milege appears to be the same 46 MPG. It's hard to tell but I think there is slightly less power (torque), but it very hard to tell since they had the car for over a week. And I was driving another type of car during this time.

 

[Sooch]

Took the car in this morning for the pump recall, a MIL indicator, and the 5K oil change. They replaced the #2 glow plug, and the pump. The new pump still has a black plastic cover, so the reasonable question is did they really replace it like it says on the service ticket? Who knows, since I didn't have a chance to mark the old one. The new plastic cover appears to have a hump where I don't remember there being one before, or I could be imagining things. The car does smell like a diesel now, and I can see that some hoses have been moved. The used the proper oil says the part number, and they did overfill it by a half a quart...typical. They also placed the engine cover with the visible side down on something, so there are some scuffs. That's an amateur mistake in my opinion. It took them almost 5 hours, so that concerns me a bit, but they did have some trouble narrowing down the glow plug since when I read the code it said #3.

However, i'll be damned if it doesn't seem like the clutch grabs higher now and might be slipping a bit when punching it in 5th at 2K rpm. I'll give it the drive to work tomorrow to confirm or deny my fears, but it definately feels different. I am going to be so pissed if they screwed up the clutch. It doesn't look like much fuel was spilled, and there is plenty of dirt still there so they didn't wash the engine before or after working on it. I will be forced to do it myself since I don't trust many people when it comes to real mechanical work. Would VW reimburse me if the dealer confirms clutch slip?

 

[PDJetta]

Is it possible they spilled enough fuel to migrate between the engine and transmission and soak the clutch disc? The TSB states to suck the fuel out of the pump with a vacuum pump first so there are no spills. If the clutch disc got diesel on it, I'd imagine it will evaporate within a few days and this will be a non issue. Crappy workmanship if this is what happened. Another reason I do all my own work, unless its warranty work. And then I get real anxious when I take the car to the dealer.

--Nate

 

[TDINJ]

That kind of dealer crap is utterly not acceptable - although so common place at the same time!

I would have raised hell in the service manager's office!

Agreed from above, I do all of my own work, and when I can't, I look for referrals (from here) to really good independent mechanics. Too bad warranty work has to be carried out by the stealerships.

They spilled fuel in my engine compartment too but I wiped it up myself because an hour.5 in the dealer shop was too long!

 

[Sooch]

I will be under the car this weekend to make sure they didn't mess anything up with the skidplate, etc. The clutch seems to be getting back to normal, but I am hesitant to say that it is just like before I took it in. I'm usually pretty particular about how mechanical stuff "feels" during use, so i'm certain that something is different. I couldn't get it to slip on the way to work though, so maybe it was just a bit of fuel, or more likely coolant. There is that large radiator hose just over the tranny/engine gap, and they definately moved it.

I have not taken one of my cars to a dealer for anything other than a diag run for years, and this is just one more example of why. I would rather no dealer ever touch my cars, and now that I have the first oil change on record, they'll probably never see me again.

 

[ivan1977]

right on! I took my car in to have the pump replaced too. They also fixed the coolant loss of every three days too. but like you posted before I'm pretty darn sure that it's the same pump even thou the service invoice says that they replaced it. I did not mark it but i have not cleaned my engine bay yet and it looks just as dusty as before. I wonder if i can call VWOA and get the s/n of the original part that was installed on the vehicle? Well tomorrow I'm going to raise hell att the stealership. I've read most of the replacement pumps that are LUKs have the green line and black spot. Well i'll keep the forum posted.

 

[Fahrfuwerfuelen]

I've read most of the replacement pumps that are LUKs have the green line and black spot

There should be a green paint dot on the replaced pump. You might also see a black X as well.

See pic.
replaced pump

 

[ivan1977]

all right folks i'm reviewing my invoice and it tells me that FP Number for the pump is 038-145-209-E. My question is that the BOSCH PUMP? There is one further up on the thread that has the same P/N except for the "E". The one still intalled on the car is a "LUK". I Know the dealer is cheating the heck out of my investment and taking VW money. Any one out there have something diffrent?

 

[khale]

I have not gotten a recall letter on my 2004 Wagon (10/2003 build date). I was just checking the pump and now it looks like it is starting to leak. I wiped off a small area just to be sure, but I will be calling the dealer in town next week. I purchased it at another dealer an hour away because the local ones did not have any wagons when I got mine. Hopefully I will not get the shaft. At least the parts department is on the ball.

Thanks

 

[yamsTDi]

You could also call VWoA and verify you are not part of the recall. I called just to be sure that my car wasnt included in the recall.

 

[Long_Range]

Smelled fuel today. Looked at the pump but could not see any leaks their. However there is a fluid that smells like and looks like diesel on my clutch housing and adjacent areas below this fuel pump. Also a wet spot on my garage floor. 13,737 mile on unit. Time for an appointment. Oh well I needed my tires rotated anyway.

 

[Sooch]

I have that same part number listed on my invoice as Ivan1977, and my replaced pump is still a LUK.

On the color markings, does anyone know what a light green dot and a blue X means?

 

[Fahrfuwerfuelen]

See my post about 4-5 up from this one. These markings are used to signify these pumps have the correct bolts and are to be used under the recall.