P2015, P2008 - Covered under emissions warranty?

joeyvans

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Good day!

I bought a "fixed" 2012 VW Jetta Sportwagen TDI nearly 3 years ago and it has been trouble-free since. I am sitting at about 73,500 miles and still have a couple years or about 20,000 miles left on the extended emissions warranty. I recently got a CEL, so I finally bit the bullet and purchased a VCDS. Amazing tool, BTW. I ran a scan yesterday and got 2 engine codes: P2015 (Intake Manifold Flap Position Sensor) & P2008 (Intake Manifold Flap).

After doing research, I see there is a bracket made by diesel geek that can potentially fix this issue. However, I believe the intake manifold would be covered/replaced by the extended emissions warranty. I did make an appointment with my local dealership since they are backed up to mid-September. But, I am looking for some peace of mind prior to my appointment. I am curious if others have had this exact problem and if it was covered by the extended warranty.

If it ends up being covered by the warranty and my intake manifold is replaced... would it also be prudent to purchase the diesel geek bracket to hopefully prevent the problem from happening again?

Thanks in advance! I haven't been very active here, but definitely use the search a lot to look up things.
 

DrGERTol

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@joeyvans -- The intake manifold is absolutely covered by the extended emissions warranty. When we bought our '11 TDI almost three years ago, it was sitting on a west MI dealer lot with P2015 & the MIL on. They had it repaired (under warranty) before they delivered the car to us in NW OH, and so far, no trouble from that sensor. --g
 

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A VW dealer replaced the intake manifold on my car for free under the terms of the extended warranty. I also read that the new manifold has some changes so that the same thing doesn't happen, but I don't know if that's actually true.

My 2010 MK6 Golf TDI was fixed about 5 years ago, 42K miles ago. I don't drive the car as much as I did when I commuted for years, first it was covid working from home and now I'm retired.
 
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joeyvans

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@joeyvans -- The intake manifold is absolutely covered by the extended emissions warranty. When we bought our '11 TDI almost three years ago, it was sitting on a west MI dealer lot with P2015 & the MIL on. They had it repaired (under warranty) before they delivered the car to us in NW OH, and so far, no trouble from that sensor. --g
Thank you for your response! This is good news!
 

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A VW dealer replaced the intake manifold on my car for free under the terms of the extended warranty. I also read that the new manifold has some changes so that the same thing doesn't happen, but I don't know if that's actually true.

My 2010 MK6 Golf TDI was fixed about 5 years ago, 42K miles ago. I don't drive the car as much as I did when I commuted for years, first it was covid working from home and now I'm retired.
That was going to be another question of mine... if the replacement manifold addresses the common flap issue. Since I can't get my car in for almost another month for diagnosis... then probably another period of time to get the part in... I am concerned that my DPF regens won't continue with the MIL on. But, I could be wrong about that. Thank you for the response! Much appreciated!
 

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At $64 I think I would let VW do the warranty repair and then add Dieselgeeks bracket to stop it happening again. With the warranty winding down it might be a good idea.
Thank you for your input... these were my thoughts exactly. Buy the bracket and install it for peace of mind after the warranty work is completed. It might be wishful thinking, but I'm hoping this car is still on the road when my 3 year old starts driving in roughly 12 years. :)
 

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... I also read that the new manifold has some changes so that the same thing doesn't happen, but I don't know if that's actually true.
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I suppose it's possible that the flap/sensor component are updated, but we would expect a revised p/n for the update -- as best I can tell, the VAG p/n for our intake manifold has always been 03L129711E with no supersessions noted in ETKA. My guess is that the thing just wears out over time -- and if our new manifold lasts another 100K+ miles, it won't be our problem the next time it throws a P2015. --g
 

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Be careful, Dealer may give you different answer that you have to pay for it, If that happens call VW of USA and they will tell Dealer that is under warranty.
Maybe but there are those who have been able to benefit through it. Read the warranty document and know what it says you are entitled to. Work the issue calmly, if needed.

Don't put the bracket on first, it may give them reason to deny. If your regens don't happen and it messes things up, they are on the hook for that as well, warranty. They will also owe you a vehicle the whole time they have your car, in the document. I hope it works out well for you!
 

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Be careful, Dealer may give you different answer that you have to pay for it, If that happens call VW of USA and they will tell Dealer that is under warranty.
Thanks for the heads up! I have seen other posts about this. If given any trouble at the dealership... they should be reminded that the extended emissions warranty specifically states that anything that causes a code is covered for free under the extended warranty.
 

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Maybe but there are those who have been able to benefit through it. Read the warranty document and know what it says you are entitled to. Work the issue calmly, if needed.

Don't put the bracket on first, it may give them reason to deny. If your regens don't happen and it messes things up, they are on the hook for that as well, warranty. They will also owe you a vehicle the whole time they have your car, in the document. I hope it works out well for you!
Thanks for the input. My plan is to wait until the warranty work is completed to install the bracket. Like you said... I shouldn't do anything to jeopardize that warranty. This is the way.
 

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Just wanted to follow-up and share a conclusion here.... as well as a question. Since I never cleared the codes for the intake manifold issue, my local VW dealer was able to confirm this when the car was brought in this past Tuesday. They received the part yesterday and installed/tested today. It has been fixed under the extended emissions warranty, no questions asked. Thank you all for your help!

Picking up tomorrow, and going to request part numbers of what was replaced. I'm not sure if anyone knows the answer to this question, but if the part number supersedes the original part number.... should I still consider adding the diesel geek bracket? Or, will the bracket no longer be compatible with a potentially updated intake manifold?
 

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Just because the number changed doesn't necessarily mean it was because they fixed or changed something dealing with this issue. You would need to find out what changes were made specifically. Might be hard to do. May be some posts here about it as there have been some to get this same kind of work done. I would add the bracket for insurance, especially if you are low on warranty. If it happened again would you like to cough up the cash for the fix.
 

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You would need to find out what changes were made specifically.
Agreed. Which is why I posed the question here. My concern is that the bracket isn't compatible with a potentially updated part. I will reach out to Diesel Geek and see if they know the answer to my question. Thanks
 

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Picking up tomorrow, and going to request part numbers of what was replaced.
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I would expect part numbers to be listed on the repair invoice (charged as warranty), at least that's been our VAG experience.
Re the bracket retrofit, I would also expect that your new intake manifold should last another 10+ years before it wears out again. --g
 

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Just wanted to follow-up and share a conclusion here.... as well as a question. Since I never cleared the codes for the intake manifold issue, my local VW dealer was able to confirm this when the car was brought in this past Tuesday. They received the part yesterday and installed/tested today. It has been fixed under the extended emissions warranty, no questions asked. Thank you all for your help!

Picking up tomorrow, and going to request part numbers of what was replaced. I'm not sure if anyone knows the answer to this question, but if the part number supersedes the original part number.... should I still consider adding the diesel geek bracket? Or, will the bracket no longer be compatible with a potentially updated intake manifold?
Is the bracket cheap enough to buy & try?
Is it returnable maybe less shipping?
 

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I paid $70.99 for the diesel geek add on part which they say will take me 15 minutes (LOL) to install. It's due to arrive today and I'm all set w/ a #30 torx and hemostat clamp (to grasp the spring) to install. I am under the impression that it will cancel the P2015 code announced on my OBD11 reader.
 

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My install took "15 minutes". Plus about another 45 minutes to retrieve the spring when it got away from me.
Fortunately, it dropped onto the engine splash shield, but there was momentary panic when it slipped from my needlenose pliers and shot into the engine bay.
I ended up using a set of locking forceps to hold onto the spring while reattaching it.
 

Art van Law

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My "15 minute" install took about 1.5 hours, but that includes looking at all the vids on the diesel geek site and being meticulous in every phase of the procedure. I used a hemostat to insure the little "do nothing" spring didn't slip away. The most difficult part of the reinstall was to get the black plastic arm to snap back on. I used Vaseline, and it took a mighty push, which I feared might break the plastic...but it went back on w/ a resounding "snap." After the install, and upon starting the engine, the CEL and P2015 code was still on my scangauge-e. I then drove, and after a mile I used the erase function of the scangauge-e to clr the code. After another 2 miles, the code remain cleared. I intend to drive a lot more and will report back.
 

Art van Law

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Prior to starting out on a 120 mile drive today, my scangauge-e reported "No codes, 6 not ready." At the end of the long drive it reported: "No codes, 2 not ready." I guess that's progress? At no time did the cars' CEL illuminate.
It's too early to accurately assess the mileage effect, but my average mpg today was 44 mpg, and based on my experience, it should have been closer to 51mpg for the 95% hwy drive at 58 - 64mph.
 

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IIRC, my install was about 10 minutes. Just take the bottom bolt out, not both. ;)
 
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