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[fastpete]

Just to share, I went to a ford, Hyundai, and Kia dealer to look at cars in the Jettas class and they all kinda turned a blind eye to any special deals for TDI owners, outside of the normal incentives.

I think im staying VW I really like the car and the turbo 4 gas motor mileage is pretty good. All the others I drove had a cheap feel to them.

Mines a 2013 Jetta 144K 0 issues, and cant pass up the deal I faxed my docs about 14 days ago, accepted on day 3, waiting on a offer been about 10 days.

 

[PacCoastFwy923]

It'd be a hoot if you bought a new Jetta and then the emissions cheat reported this week turns into something real and that car goes through a buyback.

I'm not putting that out there as a warning or anything, just musing. We looked at the Passat and CC as replacements and maybe would have if the deal was right.

 

[nattyboh2027]

Would you consider Subaru? Bang for the buck with them coming standard in AWD, despite MPG performance

 

[Cayman]

Subaru's burn oil and eat headgaskets ($3k repair)

 

[k1xv]

Why lease a car if you can buy a VW, and then sell it back to them several years later for more than you paid for it?

 

[ses310]

Just to share, I went to a ford, Hyundai, and Kia dealer to look at cars in the Jettas class and they all kinda turned a blind eye to any special deals for TDI owners, outside of the normal incentives.
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FWIW, I put a post in about my experience following up on the current Hyundai deal for VW TDI owners here:

http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=468747&page=4

Just got the Sonata hybrid yesterday. Very nice car so far, though it's not as much fun to drive as our '15 golf tdi. I does have a lot going for it, though, and the limited edition trim upgrade has a lot of features our golf doesn't, like leather, heated and cooled seats, heated steering wheel, etc, etc. So with the buyout on our tdi, we will basically just be trading one for the other financially....so long as you don't take the second ding for over 2k in sales tax into consideration

 

[bubbagumpshrimp]

Subaru's burn oil and eat headgaskets ($3k repair)

That was supposedly significantly reduced by the 2004 model year and pretty much eliminated with a new head gasket design in 2011.

I'm thinking about getting an Outback. I'll likely go with the 6 cyl (doesn't have the head gasket issue).

On the Outbacks...I see a LOT of them for sale in the 90-110k range (the common head gasket failure range is 80-120k). Anyone that's considering one of these had better get a pre-purchase inspection and ask the mechanic specifically if they can see any indication of head gasket issues.

 

[fastpete]

Thanks for the replies, Im going to drive a Mazda 3 and 6 tonight never thought about that one. I like the looks. Otherwise might stay VW

 

[cwescapexlt4x4]

Subaru - that would be 2014 ^^ and yes that issue is no longer an issue.

 

[halfast3]

Subaru - that would be 2014 ^^ and yes that issue is no longer an issue.

And, I understand 2014 was also the last year you could special order a loaded Outback with the 6MT. Some friends did. It would be a cool if you could find one.

 

[coolbreeze]

And, I understand 2014 was also the last year you could special order a loaded Outback with the 6MT. Some friends did. It would be a cool if you could find one.

Hers is a 12 premium:

https://www.carmax.com/cars/subaru/outback/2012/13809930

 

[Rico567]

That was supposedly significantly reduced by the 2004 model year and pretty much eliminated with a new head gasket design in 2011.

I'm thinking about getting an Outback. I'll likely go with the 6 cyl (doesn't have the head gasket issue).

On the Outbacks...I see a LOT of them for sale in the 90-110k range (the common head gasket failure range is 80-120k). Anyone that's considering one of these had better get a pre-purchase inspection and ask the mechanic specifically if they can see any indication of head gasket issues.

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My brother's old Outback (so old it was labeled "Legacy Outback" on the hatch) failed around 140K, so it lasted a bit longer. As far as eliminating the problem.....well, according to some discussion I read on the Subaru forums, that's a story that's been around for a while, too. The Subaru people will say "Yes, they had that problem, but it was eliminated in 20XX." Then the 'XX' moves forward as those cars get more miles on them. It's by no means clear that the underlying problem with the head gasket failure in these boxer engines has ever been corrected. Reading the forums, there are many theories.....

 

[IFRCFI]

Subaru's burn oil and eat headgaskets ($3k repair)

Old, old info, Bro.


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[IFRCFI]

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It's by no means clear that the underlying problem with the head gasket failure in these boxer engines has ever been corrected. Reading the forums, there are many theories.....

The Boxer (3.0 I-6) engine wasn't the source of the head gasket problems. The turbo 4 was.

The Boxer was a solid engine. I put 200K on a 2002 LL Bean Outback. Now it will leak oil around the valve cover and spark plug gaskets. A new kit every 100K fixes that. And the inner CVs literally cook from the heat of the cat and exhaust manifold placement.

Loved the car. Wish I still had it. Great to get to the slopes.



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[kutch]

Going back just a few years...
I had a 1990 Subaru Legacy, first year they came out. Front wheel drive only (awd optional at that time).
Ran it till 273,xxx miles. Sold it after hitting a deer and continued seeing it on the road for a year or so afterwards.
Had a 1998 legacy gt that was not so good. Seemed they shortened the piston skirts to free up some mass and created an engine that made piston slap noise a common place thing.
A 2005 saabaru aero- (wrx in Saab clothing). That was a fun little wagon. No issues no problems at all in three years of ownership.
Newer design, i hope all is well cause that's the direction I think I'll be going.

 

[Rico567]

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Had a 1998 legacy gt that was not so good. Seemed they shortened the piston skirts to free up some mass and created an engine that made piston slap noise a common place thing.
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This move (drastically shortening the piston skirt) made for a variety of problems, depending on the car and other variables. In SAAB engines, it resulted in so much blowby that the recommended oil & oil change intervals produced sludge monsters (Toyota had big sludge problems at one time, don't know if it was from the same cause). The answer that was worked out for SAABs was to absolutely go no further than 5K between oil changes, and use only Mobil 1 0W-40 full synthetic. I have been using this regimen since 2001, and no issues. Our elderly SAAB 9-5 wagon has almost 190K on it, and apart from a head gasket about 10K back, still burns no oil, original turbo is fine.

 

[evantful]

I have two different friends that have owned a 2008 Impreza (and that friends father who purchased a 2008 impreza at the same time) and a 2014 Impreza.

The 2008 had a head gasket failure at 90k miles, a catalytic converter failure 76k. His father had the catalyzer converter fail, along with a host of other issues. Calipers having to be pre-maturely being replaced, etc

The 2014 just had its entire long block replaced (under warranty atleast) due to massive oil consumption.

 

[IXLR8]

I had a '92 Outback, I put just over 100K miles on it, no issues. The dealer did recommend re-torquing the head at the 20K service, which I had done. Maybe that helped, maybe I just didn't drive it long enough for issue to show. If we stay in New England, I will be looking at a Subaru as a replacement car. If we move south, Mazda, Hyundai and Volvo are on our short list.

 

[Jimbabwe]

Two Subarus in the family, an '03 Outback with over 190k miles and an '07 Impreza Sport with over 200k. No head gasket issues, stock drivetrains throughout on both, both still chugging along fine. However, due to the CVT, Subaru is no longer an option as a replacement for me.

 

[newbeetleman]

Subaru's burn oil and eat headgaskets ($3k repair)

Yep, they are notorious for this! That said, some VW burn oil just as bad.

I bought a 2010 Passat gasser as a replacement and love it. Very roomy compared to my 2009 Jetta, and I am getting 36 mpg.