OMG! VW may join NASCAR

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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Published: Saturday, November 21, 2009
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] Volkswagen program head in Homestead for NASCAR finale
[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]By Jenna Fryer
Associatedd Press
HOMESTEAD, Fla. — The head of Volkswagen's motor sports program is at Homestead-Miami Speedway, fueling speculation that the automaker is interested in joining Toyota as the second foreign manufacturer in NASCAR.

Top NASCAR officials confirmed to The Associated Press that Hans-Joachim Stuck met with the sanctioning body Saturday at the track. The officials requested anonymity because of the sensitive nature of the meeting.

Volkswagen officials expressed interest in entering a racing series, but indicated they are more inclined to pick a series that showcases technology, according to a person who attended the meeting but also requested anonymity. NASCAR features competition over technology.

A second option for Volkswagen could be the Grand-Am Road Racing Series, which is owned by NASCAR and currently uses foreign engine makers.

Earlier this season, NASCAR chairman Brian France said the sanctioning body is open to accepting new manufacturers into the sport. The only requirement is that manufacturers must have production plants in the U.S.

Volkswagen has a plant under construction in Tennessee, and the facility is scheduled to build midsize sedans in 2011. That coincides with NASCAR's tentative plans to replace carburetors on Sprint Cup Series cars with fuel injection.

NASCAR held a Nov. 3 meeting with representatives from all four current manufacturers, as well as engine builders from five race teams and two independent suppliers to discuss the potential move to fuel injection.

A move to that system apparently interests Volkswagen, whose $1 billion plant in Chattanooga would qualify the German manufacturer to compete in NASCAR.

France opened the door for more foreign participation in June when he admitted the sanctioning body has had continued discussions with interested automakers.

BMW, Honda, Hyundai, Nissan and Mercedes-Benz all have manufacturing plants inside the U.S. — the same criteria Toyota met when NASCAR accepted it into NASCAR in 2002.

"We have companies that are interested in particular in developing the North American market as robustly as they can," France said. "And we're all aware that there are lots of foreign manufacturers producing cars here in America. That was part of the rationale that Toyota used.

"We're the pre-eminent place in North America for car manufacturers to build their business with an auto racing group. We remain that and clearly there's some companies that are going to look at opportunities that may not have even been there in the past that could be presented in the future."

Allowing more foreign automakers into the sport could rankle hard-core race fans, who objected to Toyota and think NASCAR should include only American manufacturers. But the decline of the automotive industry has wreaked havoc on racing budgets, and most NASCAR teams either received cutbacks in funding this season or were cut off entirely.

Even deep-pocketed Toyota has had to reduce its spending, and the Japanese automaker is currently not taking on any new factory-supported teams.
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What would really be sweet here is for VAG to sponsor a car/team that has a diesel in it. I know that the flame front traversing issue would limit RPM's but it still would be fun to see an oilburner in the winners circle over a gasser.
 

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Leave it to the Volkswagen of America marketing gurus to jump on board a sinking ship. NASCAR has TV ratings trending lower over the past few years and plenty of empty seats in the stands. The advertising value of car manufacturers participating in NASCAR goes down with every race.
The "stock" cars are built on a common car of tomorrow architecture complete with carburetored rear wheel drive V8 drive trains. Does VW build a car that even remotely resembles this drive train configuration? Adding fuel injection does not even begin to make up for the differences between NASCAR and the real stock cars.
Since the fans can not identify the cars being raced as stock, they loose interest and the reason for a manufacturer to be involved is diminished- the current problem NASCAR is facing.
 

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ALMS is the only NA motorsport that fits VW's demographic. Cabs and tube frame "prototype" ****boxes do not fit. The thought of it makes me want to puke.
 

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Would that V8 be a Bentley 6.75 l? If that thing can be deduced in displacement to 5.7 l imagine the possibilities. It could give Michael Schumacher a ride in a NASCAR V8 Passat and the France family the reason to build a super speed way in Germany. Drives 'em wild in Wolfsburg and Chattanooga...
 
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I corrected my original post sorry for the confusion... I realized it have to be the Bentley...
I haven't met a VW owner-let alone a Bentley owner-that would pay to go to a NASCAR race or watch one on TV for more than 5 minutes.
A Bentley in NASCAR! I can't wait for the Top Gear review and test drive.
 

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Nice to meet you and congratulations! You now know a VW TDI owner who enjoys Nascar! And yep I pay to go to those races!
 

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NASCAR outlived its usefulness, ironically, around the same time it exploded in popularity. As one player in a wide range of American racing where several disciplines enjoyed a decent following, it was interesting. As the 800 pound gorilla that has destroyed the rest of the US racing scene by replacing such frivolities as technological innovation and driver skill with music videos, fireworks and overhyped WWE-style storylines...not to mention forcing me to stop and explain slowly and carefully to everyone who finds out I like auto racing that not all racing is rednecks in flying bricks with pictures of headlights stuck on them driving flat-out in a circle for 4 hours at a stretch...it's just an irritation.
 

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Idiots.
This looks like phase one of their "reinvent VW of America for broader appeal" (while simultaneously homogenizing what makes VW appealing to their base) plan. They should start by reinventing their dealer network. Then work on their cars' reliabilty. Then bring the Polo rather then investing in an "American" car to fit between the Jetta and Passat. Hopefully their CBEA sales will underscore their incorrect assumptions about what Americans want right now. Then see if they still need to reinvent themselves.
 
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Mikey,

You hit the nail on the head. Bill France sold NASCARs soul to the highest bidder and the dumbing down of stock car racing commenced. But the public is getting wise to the chicanery; tickets remain unsold and ratings are down. When NASCAR crashes and burns what should replace it? A show room stock (or close to it) "run what you brung" series or something else?
What would work for VW here?
 

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What a bunch of Martini drinking dinks! I would have thought that TDI owners were smarter than these comments have been! You folks go watch some of that wonderful F1 racing, now there's some technologically inspired racing, Boring!!!!!
 

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Massracin said:
What a bunch of Martini drinking dinks! I would have thought that TDI owners were smarter than these comments have been! You folks go watch some of that wonderful F1 racing, now there's some technologically inspired racing, Boring!!!!!
Alright...
Although a few have taken a chance to bash NASCAR's racing, this is about whether this is a wise move for VW.

Whether you like NASCAR should be irrelevant, but what most of us have been doubtful of is whether this is a good proposition for VW financially.

Do you think it is?
And what do you think are the motives for wanting to join an American racing organization?
 

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Massracin said:
What a bunch of Martini drinking dinks! I would have thought that TDI owners were smarter than these comments have been! You folks go watch some of that wonderful F1 racing, now there's some technologically inspired racing, Boring!!!!!
I've had pink in the center and gray on the outside dogs at Martinsville, fried chicken at Darlington, a burger at Michigan, don't remember what at Bristol and Talladega, but no martinis:D
 

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F1 has its own considerable problems keeping fans and sponsors. Neither racing series is is developing technically relevant technology to the car manufacturers core business. Things like fuel efficiency and emissions are things mostly ignored by race teams but critical to a manufacturers success.
Lastly, it is true that in F1 races the winner gets the lead early and keeps it whereas in NASCAR the lead changes during the course of the race. This is due to rule differences between F1 and NASCAR. NASCAR has many more cautions causing the race to become several shorter consecutive races. The France family likes this as it makes for more excitement for the fans.
 

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F1 and IndyCar used to be exciting. I loved to watch the road courses.
 

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Now for a little reality:

UPDATE:
VW says they are not interested in NASCAR. But are looking at bringing their VW, Audi and Lamborghini brands to Grand Am and that is why they were in Homestead talking to NASCAR, which owns and runs Grand Am.(11-22-2009)
 

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I won't even comment on NASCAR's descent into hell since the early 90s. CART was the best open wheel series ever until Tony killed it. Current Indy Car is crap and American Open Wheel is never coming back, it's over.

F1 is still the best brains, best drivers, best engineering, most creativity and quickest lap times. Nothing has changed there except a pulling in of the budgets.

Now for VW. Since TDI cup is aligned with ALMS and Audi has a history of running LMP 1, it makes no sense for VW to consider running a dumbed down Daytona "Prototype". I seriously doubt if that will happen, unless it's an expansion of the racing program. Audi returning to ALMS LMP 1 and a gasser GTI factory assault on World Challenge would make a lot more sense than becoming involved with the Frances and NASCAR.
 
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owr084 said:
Volkswagen officials expressed interest in entering a racing series, but indicated they are more inclined to pick a series that showcases technology, according to a person who attended the meeting but also requested anonymity. NASCAR features competition over technology.
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Volkswagen has a plant under construction in Tennessee, and the facility is scheduled to build midsize sedans in 2011. That coincides with NASCAR's tentative plans to replace carburetors on Sprint Cup Series cars with fuel injection.
Volkswagens had some models with Bosch fuel injection in the 1960s. And NASCAR is still using carburetors 40 years later.

If VW wanted to compete in NASCAR, they could have purchased Chrysler and put a VW badge on the front of a Dodge.
 

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Diesel_Mikey said:
NASCAR outlived its usefulness, ironically, around the same time it exploded in popularity. As one player in a wide range of American racing where several disciplines enjoyed a decent following, it was interesting. As the 800 pound gorilla that has destroyed the rest of the US racing scene by replacing such frivolities as technological innovation and driver skill with music videos, fireworks and overhyped WWE-style storylines...not to mention forcing me to stop and explain slowly and carefully to everyone who finds out I like auto racing that not all racing is rednecks in flying bricks with pictures of headlights stuck on them driving flat-out in a circle for 4 hours at a stretch...it's just an irritation.
I like racing. All types of racing with motor racing being at the top of the list. But, when is the last time a show or commercial has inspired anyone to run out to the store and buy that product?
 

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Massracin said:
Nice to meet you and congratulations! You now know a VW TDI owner who enjoys Nascar! And yep I pay to go to those races!
That makes at least 2 of us!
 

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VLS_GUY said:
Mikey,

You hit the nail on the head. Bill France sold NASCARs soul to the highest bidder and the dumbing down of stock car racing commenced. But the public is getting wise to the chicanery; tickets remain unsold and ratings are down. When NASCAR crashes and burns what should replace it? A show room stock (or close to it) "run what you brung" series or something else?
What would work for VW here?
You have to consider the economy when referring to lower ticket sales or else the relativity is lost. NASCAR isn't going down the tubes by any means of the imagination. No offense but some of you are really speaking without thinking outside of your own preferences or experiences. Some of us are gearheads that like a variety of motorsports as well as other mechanical things that are not soley focused on VWs. Some folks are just mechanicaly driven and get their fix in a variety of ways. Be careful not to stereotype or lump all TDI owners into your particular "melting pot".
 

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Massracin said:
Now for a little reality:

UPDATE:
VW says they are not interested in NASCAR. But are looking at bringing their VW, Audi and Lamborghini brands to Grand Am and that is why they were in Homestead talking to NASCAR, which owns and runs Grand Am.(11-22-2009)

THAT is even worse. guess that with pug bit-chinin at the aco about the r15.3 vag will just go somewhere else to play autosports. grans am is just nascar on a much smaller scale. tube frame tdi's? tube frame lambos" does vw have a clue what grand am is anyway?.
 

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Jack_Berry said:

THAT is even worse. guess that with pug bit-chinin at the aco about the r15.3 vag will just go somewhere else to play autosports. grans am is just nascar on a much smaller scale. tube frame tdi's? tube frame lambos" does vw have a clue what grand am is anyway?.
The mention of Grand Am does induce waves of nausea. We need a projectile vomiting smilie.
 
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