Oil

[John Wesley Hardin]

I discussed this in a previous thread that I use 5-40 Shell Rotella in my TDI and used it in a 98 AHU and have for years. At Walfart Rotella is 24.00 bucks for 4 quarts . Valvoline sells a European blend for VW , BMW , Mercedes etc. 5 quarts for 27.00. which is a much better value. Anyone have any experience with the Valvoline 5-40 in their TDI ?

 

[CantWrite]

I use the Mobil 1 EP 0w-40 in my ALH’s, and switched to Valvoline EP 5w-40 in my BHW cause of the 505.01 spec. 5k miles in and have added 0. I plan to keep running it for that exact reason, approx 4 quart change leaving 1 quart for usage during the 10k interval. Value and meets specs

 

[John Wesley Hardin]

I use the Mobil 1 EP 0w-40 in my ALH’s, and switched to Valvoline EP 5w-40 in my BHW cause of the 505.01 spec. 5k miles in and have added 0. I plan to keep running it for that exact reason, approx 4 quart change leaving 1 quart for usage during the 10k interval. Value and meets specs

Did I tell you i put a windmill on my car haha just kidding . Great so the 505.01 exceeds standards for the ALH? You know surprisingly my Jetta does not leak and I very seldom ever have to add oil . Maybe a pint every 4500-5500 miles at 300'000 miles on the odometer. Im really surprised at the condition and appearance of the paint, body and frame. The Texas gulf Coast is an extremely corrosive environment and the salt air just eats cars up . So far mine is holding up quite well. Thanks for the reply

 

[CantWrite]

@John Wesley Hardin do you drive an ALH?

if so, I was thinking the Mobil 1 EP formula was cheaper than the Valvoline.

 

[John Wesley Hardin]

@John Wesley Hardin do you drive an ALH?

if so, I was thinking the Mobil 1 EP formula was cheaper than the Valvoline.

Oh yeah. 2003 1.9 VW diesel Jetta ALH engine with the mechanical fuel pump. Today @ Walfart I didnt see any Mobile 1 0-40. The other Mobile 1 oil I believe was higher . Thats why I mentioned the Valvoline 5-40. The description of my car is in my profile

 

[CantWrite]

I clicked on your name, didn’t realize I had to go a couple clicks further, my error!!

 

[John Wesley Hardin]

I clicked on your name, didn’t realize I had to go a couple clicks further, my error!!

I clicked on your name, didn’t realize I had to go a couple clicks further, my error!!

???

 

[John Wesley Hardin]

Did I tell you i put a windmill on my car haha just kidding . Great so the 505.01 exceeds standards for the ALH? You know surprisingly my Jetta does not leak and I very seldom ever have to add oil . Maybe a pint every 4500-5500 miles at 300'000 miles on the odometer. Im really surprised at the condition and appearance of the paint, body and frame. The Texas gulf Coast is an extremely corrosive environment and the salt air just eats cars up . So far mine is holding up quite well. Thanks for the reply

Actually it almost looks like new

 

[CantWrite]

Not sure..,... I’ll chalk it up to lack of brain power, or too much assuming. By your first post I assumed you had a PD. I guess many owners have ran T6 or TDT in their PD with good results. For some reason I thought you were running T6 in a PD and came across the Valvoline. Sorry for the mistake.

I’m not sure if 505.01 is backwards compatible to 505.00 specs. I assume so, and the VE is much more tolerable. I’d run almost any full synthetic 0/5w-40 diesel rated oil in it. But that’s a gross assumption on my part.

I am pretty sure the newer oils for common rails are not backwards compatible for VE/PD cars.

 

[John Wesley Hardin]

Not sure..,... I’ll chalk it up to lack of brain power, or too much assuming. By your first post I assumed you had a PD. I guess many owners have ran T6 or TDT in their PD with good results. For some reason I thought you were running T6 in a PD and came across the Valvoline. Sorry for the mistake.

I’m not sure if 505.01 is backwards compatible to 505.00 specs. I assume so, and the VE is much more tolerable. I’d run almost any full synthetic 0/5w-40 diesel rated oil in it. But that’s a gross assumption on my part.

I am pretty sure the newer oils for common rails are not backwards compatible for VE/PD cars.

I will look at the specss on the Valvoline next time I venture

Not sure..,... I’ll chalk it up to lack of brain power, or too much assuming. By your first post I assumed you had a PD. I guess many owners have ran T6 or TDT in their PD with good results. For some reason I thought you were running T6 in a PD and came across the Valvoline. Sorry for the mistake.

I’m not sure if 505.01 is backwards compatible to 505.00 specs. I assume so, and the VE is much more tolerable. I’d run almost any full synthetic 0/5w-40 diesel rated oil in it. But that’s a gross assumption on my part.

I am pretty sure the newer oils for common rails are not backwards compatible for VE/PD cars.

Valvoline says on the container meets or exceeds 505.00 and 505.01

 

[dieseldonato]

Assuming vw specs follow any other mfg specs for engine oil or the api new oils are typically backwards compatible and after a time you pretty much can't find the older spec oil.
This is a list of the most current specs, as you can see they follow emission standards fairly closely and cover the oil classes before them.

Oil Categories

The American Petroleum Institute (API) is the only national trade association that represents all aspects of America’s oil and natural gas industry. Our more than 600 corporate members, from the largest major oil company to the smallest of independents, come from all segments of the industry.

www.api.org

It's also typical for any given brand of oil to meet multiple rating classes. Not inclusive to all oils, but many brands do. Whatever classes they meet should be listed on the bottle.

 

[oilhammer]

Oil Warz!!!!

More sequels than Rocky, Star Trek, Star Wars, and Sharknado combined!!!

 

[CantWrite]

Thanks for the clarification!! I was thinking more along the lines of weight vs the API certs.

looking I see there are some xW-30 weight oils for 505.00/.01 where it seemed all the common rails were xW-30.

I guess with my “old” mindset I’d be apprehensive to put a non 40wt in my VE/PD diesel. Then there’s the whole heavy 30wt vs light 40wt. The whole drive more worry less mantra comes into play. I’ll stick with a 40wt until they become obsolete. In 505.01 spec of course

 

[dieseldonato]

Thanks for the clarification!! I was thinking more along the lines of weight vs the API certs.

looking I see there are some xW-30 weight oils for 505.00/.01 where it seemed all the common rails were xW-30.

I guess with my “old” mindset I’d be apprehensive to put a non 40wt in my VE/PD diesel. Then there’s the whole heavy 30wt vs light 40wt. The whole drive more worry less mantra comes into play. I’ll stick with a 40wt until they become obsolete. In 505.01 spec of course

The 30wt oil is difficult to find on shelves around here. The few parts store that stock euro spec oil charge quite a premium for it. Since I have an old alh I'm just sticking with the 5w40 t6 Rotella I run in most my diesels.
Seems the newer small diesels across the board like the 30wt oil, but I suspect If it's anything like my experience other non vw
common rail diesels it's more a cold weather cranking issues then just a clearance issue. At any rate so long as the oil meets mfg specs it should be fine to run.

 

[dieseldonato]

Found this list, it's not up to date but close enough.

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[John Wesley Hardin]

Assuming vw specs follow any other mfg specs for engine oil or the api new oils are typically backwards compatible and after a time you pretty much can't find the older spec oil.
This is a list of the most current specs, as you can see they follow emission standards fairly closely and cover the oil classes before them.

Oil Categories

The American Petroleum Institute (API) is the only national trade association that represents all aspects of America’s oil and natural gas industry. Our more than 600 corporate members, from the largest major oil company to the smallest of independents, come from all segments of the industry.

www.api.org

It's also typical for any given brand of oil to meet multiple rating classes. Not inclusive to all oils, but many brands do. Whatever classes they meet should be listed on the bottle.

Thanks for the response. Prices are going up on everything so whenever I can, I will look for a better value. Shell Rotella used to be 19.96 for a gallon. MY TDI takes 5 quarts . You could buy an extra quart. but usually at that price Id just buy two gallons. Now Shell is at 26.00 and change a gallon. Its on sale now for less. Valvoline is 27.00 for a five quart container. Didnt see Mobile 1 . I buy my filter kits from IDparts .com the fuel ,oil, air and cabin for around 48.00 . Anyone know a better source ?

 

[backfast61]

A while back- I thought that I was able to beat IDPARTS price on LiquiMoly 5w-40 for my 06’ BRM Jetta-on the internet….! Until check out…
Come to find out -shipping was crazy high when I went to check out…
They are consistently the best as far as I am concerned especially with free shipping…

 

[dieseldonato]

Before this most recent purchase t6 Rotella 5w40 I could get for $17.00 (and some change) a gallon. Latest was $25.33 gal. The $17 gal price was buying in 5 gallon buckets. The $25.33 I had to buy a case of 3 one gallon Containers. My uncle is supposed to be getting me a price from his wholesale oil guy for mobile 1 and mobile delvac before the weekend. I have 5 diesels to keep oil in, truck, the tdi, 2 tractors and a generator. So I go through quite a bit just in them. Then add in the big block, (get the same 5w40 diesel oil) the expedition and the escape. The latter 2 get 10w30 and 5w20 respectively. I just keep a few gallons of the 10w30 and 5w20 on hand, but normally I have at least 10 gallons of 5w40 and I prefer to keep 20 or 25 gallons around. Seems oil change Intervals always hit one on top of another.
From being a heavy duty diesel mechanic and sitting through quite a few classes about oils and filters, I pretty much stick to oe filters or filters of proven quality. My cummins get fleet gaurd filters, kubota, gets kubota, (you get the point, yanmar get yanmar.) ID parts had all the oe filters for the jetta so, like you, I just ordered the complete filter kit to get started.
Figured it gives me a base line since I just recently got the car. Price was decent.
I'll likely get a case of oil and fuel filters eventually for it, I like to have spares on hand for everything. Normally you get case discounts as well. The car is in very good shape body wise, not hardly any rot on it, which is good for a North East car. So that case of filters won't go unused.

 

[John Wesley Hardin]

Before this most recent purchase t6 Rotella 5w40 I could get for $17.00 (and some change) a gallon. Latest was $25.33 gal. The $17 gal price was buying in 5 gallon buckets. The $25.33 I had to buy a case of 3 one gallon Containers. My uncle is supposed to be getting me a price from his wholesale oil guy for mobile 1 and mobile delvac before the weekend. I have 5 diesels to keep oil in, truck, the tdi, 2 tractors and a generator. So I go through quite a bit just in them. Then add in the big block, (get the same 5w40 diesel oil) the expedition and the escape. The latter 2 get 10w30 and 5w20 respectively. I just keep a few gallons of the 10w30 and 5w20 on hand, but normally I have at least 10 gallons of 5w40 and I prefer to keep 20 or 25 gallons around. Seems oil change Intervals always hit one on top of another.
From being a heavy duty diesel mechanic and sitting through quite a few classes about oils and filters, I pretty much stick to oe filters or filters of proven quality. My cummins get fleet gaurd filters, kubota, gets kubota, (you get the point, yanmar get yanmar.) ID parts had all the oe filters for the jetta so, like you, I just ordered the complete filter kit to get started.
Figured it gives me a base line since I just recently got the car. Price was decent.
I'll likely get a case of oil and fuel filters eventually for it, I like to have spares on hand for everything. Normally you get case discounts as well. The car is in very good shape body wise, not hardly any rot on it, which is good for a North East car. So that case of filters won't go unused.

Ill stick with IDParts for now. Seems like the best value at the time. You get in a bind and have to use the local auto parts store they hose you

 

[John Wesley Hardin]

A while back- I thought that I was able to beat IDPARTS price on LiquiMoly 5w-40 for my 06’ BRM Jetta-on the internet….! Until check out…
Come to find out -shipping was crazy high when I went to check out…
They are consistently the best as far as I am concerned especially with free shipping…

Thanks for the response

 

[BobnOH]

Blend means it's not full synthetic. Stick with the T6 5w-40. I picked up some T6 15w-40 to top mine off, could not find the 5w-40.
Technically the VE engine do not require anything real special, but we all like to run full synthetic, 10k mile (or more) OCI.

 

[turbobrick240]

The Valvoline "European" line of oils is full synthetic.

European Vehicle Full Synthetic - Valvoline™ Global

Valvoline European Vehicle Full Synthetic Motor Oil is designed specifically to meet and exceed the demanding requirements of most European gasoline and diesel engine manufacturers. Our exclusive formula uses top wear additives, premium antioxidants and added detergents to fight wear, resist oil...

www.valvolineglobal.com

 

[John Wesley Hardin]

Blend means it's not full synthetic. Stick with the T6 5w-40. I picked up some T6 15w-40 to top mine off, could not find the 5w-40.
Technically the VE engine do not require anything real special, but we all like to run full synthetic, 10k mile (or more) OCI.

My bad its not a blend I said a blend ,its full synthetic. Its called European Vehicle. Mercedes, VW,BMW,

 

[John Wesley Hardin]

The Valvoline "European" line of oils is full synthetic.

European Vehicle Full Synthetic - Valvoline™ Global

Valvoline European Vehicle Full Synthetic Motor Oil is designed specifically to meet and exceed the demanding requirements of most European gasoline and diesel engine manufacturers. Our exclusive formula uses top wear additives, premium antioxidants and added detergents to fight wear, resist oil...

www.valvolineglobal.com

Thanks for that info. Great post

 

[AlexBenjamin]

Thanks for that info. Great post

There is so much to learn in the automotive industry.

 

[BobnOH]

 

[KLXD]

What's the difference between synthetic and full synthetic?

 

[rocky raccoon]

OMG He said "Oil".
There is so much to learn.

 

[markdave]

I discussed this in a previous thread that I use 5-40 Shell Rotella Nox Vidmate VLC in my TDI and used it in a 98 AHU and have for years. At Walfart Rotella is 24.00 bucks for 4 quarts . Valvoline sells a European blend for VW , BMW , Mercedes etc. 5 quarts for 27.00. which is a much better value. Anyone have any experience with the Valvoline 5-40 in their TDI ?

Not inclusive to all oils, but many brands do. Whatever classes they meet should be listed on the bottle.

 

[Tdipwr11]

Use whichever one you like that meets the spec