NOT MINE: For sale 2000 Golf manual trans [TDI, of course] with only 48k miles!

[UhOh]

https://www.truecar.com/used-cars-for-sale/listing/WVWGF21J7YW354719

Let the fun begin!

 

[Lug_Nut]

Speedo is primary in kph, smaller text is mph, cloth seats with seat heaters, Canadian import?
Door card fabric is coming loose from backer board, driver's seat bolster shows more foam failure than expected for <50k miles, Is that a vinyl steering wheel?, audio system is listed as "factory",
Really nice detailing job, but I have doubts on mileage. Am I jaded and claiming 'sour grapes'? Or have I seen enough dealership slight of hand to be justifiably suspicious?

 

[hskrdu]

Cloth seats with heat were available with the winter package. The rubber steeling wheel is correct. Agree with doubts on mileage, based on seat, front carpets, and dealer distrust. I'd rather it have miles that reflect weekly use and a solid maint history.

 

[Bradm]

Even if milage was correct, still not worth
17k

 

[P2B]

Did it cost that much new?

 

[Nuje]

Doesn't take a whole lot (like 20min at most) to make any of these cars show 48000 miles; while we're there, why not just make it 4800 - or 480?
Either of those are as realistic as that 48000 judging from the look of the fabrics. My dad's Mk4 that he paid $$$ to get detailed last year - looks about the same, only the driver seat is in much better shape. At 350K km.

 

[Nuje]

Posting the VIN here again, just so if someone punches it into Google, this thread maybe comes up.
WVWGF21J7YW354719

It's possible to read the mileage off of the ECU, while (as mentioned above) super-easy to change the cluster. The ECU can, of course, be altered, too, or swapped out entirely, but if anyone is looking at purchasing this car (a) $4000 is a far more reasonable price; and (b) tell the seller that you plan to have the mileage verified prior to purchasing. And see what their reaction is.

 

[hskrdu]

Did it cost that much new?

I think my '03 was stickered over $18k, as a GLS with all options. I'd say this one should be priced at $6-$7k, based on the body and overall condition. There are lots of 5M Mk4 TDIs on FBM priced even higher with rusty wheel fenders and 250k miles. Of course, subtract a little on this one for missing two VW symbols on the hubcaps and leaving the WWF reservoir open. The horror.

 

[CanadianALH]

That’s pretty pricy. It looks nice but most vehicles do with a nice detail. I’d be looking into the history for sure and verifying the mileage. These cars usually weren’t bought by people who didn’t drive and wanted a garage ornament. Maybe it is but I’d be doing my homework.

 

[UhOh]

My wife's 2003 if it weren't for the dings in the front and rear bumpers is in far better condition and it's got over 240k miles; and, of course, it's maintained by a pretty knowledgeable mechanic [me] <clears throat>.

Folks caught most of what I saw. Wheel covers? I don't think I've seen any coolant overflow tank look that crappy with so few miles. I wish people would stop slapping glossy crap all over parts, esp engine parts- to me that's tacky (and probably feels like it). Hard to tell where the oil [leaks] stop and the "detailing" stuff start.

Pictures are hazy. Likely intentional. If a car is REALLY nice (look at specimens on Bring A Trailer, look at what kind of pictures people include) you want high quality pictures to show it off.

If the TB hasn't been changed then it's certainly due. That's a chunk of change to toss on. For asking prices like this there should be ZERO issues and the car should look like it's almost brand new (this one does not).

For myself, I'm more lenient on exteriors because when you're behind the wheel (which is WHY you buy cars, unless you're a collector) it's only really what you see from there that's all that important. Interiors are a big deal for me.

 

[STDOUBT]

You'd have to PAY me $16k to drive through Seattle....

 

[UhOh]

You'd have to PAY me $16k to drive through Seattle....

It's why I almost never drive South! (it seems to only get worse the farther south one goes)

 

[Lug_Nut]

Pictures are hazy. Likely intentional. If a car is REALLY nice (look at specimens on Bring A Trailer, look at what kind of pictures people include) you want high quality pictures to show it off.

I saw that too so I went to the dealer's own site and there are the same, but clear, non-pixelated, images. Some resolution loss in the image transfer to TrueCar?

 

[UhOh]

Yeah, pics on dealer's site a better, though still not enough to swallow the asking price. And it really makes me miss my Golf.

 

[oilhammer]

Some items "age" no matter if the car is sitting still or driving down the road. Lots of the adhesives on the trim bits, for instance, just don't hold up. Headliners, door trim inserts, the VW logos on the wheel covers, etc.

 

[northern diesel]

https://www.truecar.com/used-cars-for-sale/listing/WVWGF21J7YW354719

Let the fun begin!

This is unrelated - being a BEW wagon and private seller of course - but here’s a listing from Nelson BC that is also quite pricey!
Mind you Canadian duckets.

Volkswagen wagon 2006 Diesel | Cars & Trucks | Nelson | Kijiji Classifieds

One owner woman , German model , Standard transmission, 55-60 miles per gallon , never winter driven , always garaged …..67,000 kms Excellent condition ! Canyon BC 250-428-9425

www.kijiji.ca

But them are some low kms!!!
I’m not going to lie- i kind of want it- but could import a decent 4 motion wagon from Germany for half that asking price.

 

[CanadianALH]

This is unrelated - being a BEW wagon and private seller of course - but here’s a listing from Nelson BC that is also quite pricey!
Mind you Canadian duckets.

Volkswagen wagon 2006 Diesel | Cars & Trucks | Nelson | Kijiji Classifieds

One owner woman , German model , Standard transmission, 55-60 miles per gallon , never winter driven , always garaged …..67,000 kms Excellent condition ! Canyon BC 250-428-9425

www.kijiji.ca

But them are some low kms!!!
I’m not going to lie- i kind of want it- but could import a decent 4 motion wagon from Germany for half that asking price.

I’d could get a mk4 R32 imported for cheaper. Then that golf. Sorry but that’s a no brainer for the money

 

[jmodge]

I had a thought regarding some of these cars members have posted with sky high sales prices. Is there someone here who could organize a data of high sale or auction prices. Point being, I've noticed threads posted about members frustrated with dealing with insurance companies. If there was a database of sales prices that members could access, it would be most useful under those circumstances.

Maybe a sticky under the "for sale" part of the forum where links could be posted? Any other thoughts or Ideas? It would come in handy when an insurance company wants to pay someone $3500 or less for their mint totalled MK4.

 

[Nuje]

I’d could get a mk4 R32 imported for cheaper. Then that golf. Sorry but that’s a no brainer for the money

Ad is gone now; what was the asking price?

 

[P2B]

$16,998 - link still works for me.

 

[PradoTDI]

I had a thought regarding some of these cars members have posted with sky high sales prices. Is there someone here who could organize a data of high sale or auction prices. Point being, I've noticed threads posted about members frustrated with dealing with insurance companies. If there was a database of sales prices that members could access, it would be most useful under those circumstances.

Maybe a sticky under the "for sale" part of the forum where links could be posted? Any other thoughts or Ideas? It would come in handy when an insurance company wants to pay someone $3500 or less for their mint totalled MK4.

Here’s some starting data: https://bringatrailer.com/search/?s=Jetta+tdi

 

[northern diesel]

Ad is gone now; what was the asking price?

I can still open the original ad

2000 Volkswagen Golf GLS For Sale in Lynnwood, WA - WVWGF21J7YW354719 - TrueCar

This 2000 Volkswagen Golf GLS is for Sale in Lynnwood, WA. Price: $16,998 - Mileage: 48,050 - Color: Satin Silver- Transmission: Manual - VIN: WVWGF21J7YW354719

www.truecar.com

But the Nelson BC BEW with the 67k km sold for $15k

Volkswagen wagon 2006 Diesel | Cars & Trucks | Nelson | Kijiji Classifieds

One owner woman , German model , Standard transmission, 55-60 miles per gallon , never winter driven , always garaged …..67,000 kms Excellent condition ! Canyon BC 250-428-9425

www.kijiji.ca

 

[Nuje]

But the Nelson BC BEW with the 67k km sold for $15k

Volkswagen wagon 2006 Diesel | Cars & Trucks | Nelson | Kijiji Classifieds

One owner woman , German model , Standard transmission, 55-60 miles per gallon , never winter driven , always garaged …..67,000 kms Excellent condition ! Canyon BC 250-428-9425

www.kijiji.ca

Wow - yeah, that's nuts. Even in Canuck-bucks.

 

[jmodge]

Here’s some starting data: https://bringatrailer.com/search/?s=Jetta+tdi

That is a good source. If the ads stay on there for a couple years it would make a good comparative example.

 

[Lug_Nut]

Recognize that BaT screens candidates for listing. Only the best get selected. The sell prices are therefore likely higher than the average.
A creampuff with $15k of restoration work selling for $10k doesn't mean a mulch pile rotted daily driver is also worth $10k.

 

[jmodge]

Recognize that BaT screens candidates for listing. Only the best get selected. The sell prices are therefore likely higher than the average.
A creampuff with $15k of restoration work selling for $10k doesn't mean a mulch pile rotted daily driver is also worth $10k.

Recognize you missed the point

 

[jmodge]

Here’s some starting data: https://bringatrailer.com/search/?s=Jetta+tdi

Do you have an idea of a short concise name for a thread to insert that link or any others that could be compiled for said researchers?

 

[CanadianALH]

I’m not sure. It could be like the 1/4 mile log. Or someone could graph it in excel or docs. Probably the best solution for insurance is an agreed value policy.

 

[Nuje]

If there was a database of sales prices that members could access, it would be most useful under those circumstances.

The problem I foresee is that the price people ask and what people get can be wildly different. Like the one at the top of this thread - are they going to get $16K USD? Doubtful.
Are we going to know if/that it sells for only $8K? Or $5K? Or whatever? Also doubtful.

If I'm an insurance adjuster and you point me to that thread, I doubt I'd be moved much for the following reasons:
(a) As mentioned above by @Lug_Nut, a mega-enthusiast-maintained-and-upgraded car does not compare with your daily driver with bumps and dings and an inch of dog-hair in the back;
(b) Did someone go back and post the actual sale price? Are they being honest?
(c) Links expire - so then we're relying on someone writing in (an editable post) that the asking price was e.g., $15K with 48K miles and all of the other details that may make it worth that price, but there's no more link to show that either it could conceivably have been worth it, or in the case of the OP in this thread, is almost certainly a scam, or at the very least, misrepresentation.

I appreciate the thought of providing some kind of "current listings", but really, the "Cars For Sale" thread in our Classifieds section here probably does as good a job of representing the market as anything.

 

[jmodge]

The problem I foresee is that the price people ask and what people get can be wildly different. Like the one at the top of this thread - are they going to get $16K USD? Doubtful.
Are we going to know if/that it sells for only $8K? Or $5K? Or whatever? Also doubtful.

If I'm an insurance adjuster and you point me to that thread, I doubt I'd be moved much for the following reasons:
(a) As mentioned above by @Lug_Nut, a mega-enthusiast-maintained-and-upgraded car does not compare with your daily driver with bumps and dings and an inch of dog-hair in the back;
(b) Did someone go back and post the actual sale price? Are they being honest?
(c) Links expire - so then we're relying on someone writing in (an editable post) that the asking price was e.g., $15K with 48K miles and all of the other details that may make it worth that price, but there's no more link to show that either it could conceivably have been worth it, or in the case of the OP in this thread, is almost certainly a scam, or at the very least, misrepresentation.

I appreciate the thought of providing some kind of "current listings", but really, the "Cars For Sale" thread in our Classifieds section here probably does as good a job of representing the market as anything.

I should have said purchase price, as that is what I meant, rather than sale price. Those links from Prado do state the purchase price, unless I read it wrong. And if the links expire, that would be just as well since current market purchase/sales price is what would be relevant.
So all good points, however not really linear to my intent. If you read the last sentence of my #18 post, you can see I wasn't referring to someone and their rusty beat up daily driver. That was Lugnuts addition. I'm referring to providing ammo for someone to get moving forward who is getting shortchanged by an insurance company. I just figured it would be easier to provide a link to someone rather than go through the redundancy of answering questions. Basically a study guide to perform their own research, although the subject doesn't come up all that often. So maybe it doesn't make sense.