non-user fuel mileage variables

j_nickels

Member
Joined
Oct 18, 2005
Location
East Bay, California, USA
TDI
none
So my 2004 Golf TDI 5 speed manual gets poor fuel mileage. I drive for good mileage-with the occasional burst to clear out the cobwebs. I'd say on average 60% of driving is city with the rest freeway. And without having my fuel log in front of me, the overall MPG is probably about 33-34. I've run mostly on ULSD from Arco, but have put other "name brand" diesel in when on the road. I'm taking her in to the dealer because I paid quite a premium for this car. TDI's are not sold new in California so dealers can jack up the price, plus I paid for CPO to get that extra couple of years of warranty. I'd like to think there's a point below which low mileage is unacceptable.

My question is, all user-variables and weather being equal, what factors affect mileage, in order of importance. I mean given two TDI's of the same model and year, assuming the weather is the same, speed is constant, tire pressures are identical, the same fuel is used etc, why would one get significantly better mileage that the other? What factors about the car itself have the biggest impact on mileage? I ask in part so that I can go into the dealer armed with information. I had a coolant loss problem last year and I had to take the car in 4 times before they nailed the problem, but only after I had mentioned some of the possible causes that I had learned of here in the forums. I have little faith in my dealer and I don't think they get many TDI's in, but I paid for a warranty so I'm gonna use it. They did a poor job during my last service--the air filter wasn't installed correctly! Part of the seal was totally mangled and hanging over the outside edge of the airbox. I think enough of the seal was intact that no unfiltered air was getting in, but this ruined my faith. If I can go in with a list of things they ought to check or at least be aware of, I'm hoping this will improve my chances of not hearing them say "oh, user mileage varies, sorry we can't do a thing".

I've changed the fuel and air filters myself with no impact on mileage. Beyond this, I don't have the means to do much else. I suppose I could replace the MAF in case that's part of the problem. But what about timing, compression, the injectors, the ecu and what else? Ok, thanks much.
 

TonyJetta

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Joined
Sep 15, 2005
Location
Tucson, Az
TDI
'15 Jetta TDI SE / '06 Jetta TDI DSG Pkg0 / '96 Passat TDI
What are your ambient temps? How much AC are you using?

In AZ, with temps as high as 115 for weeks on end, and average temps at 105ish, we use the AC ALL THE TIME! And we pay for it, in the form of a 5-7 mpg hit. In the winter, our '06 Jetta would get 40-42 depending on who and how it was driven. In the summer, it's down to 35-36. If I could burn through a tank of fuel, flat land freeway, i think it could get back up to 39-40.

For us, it all depends on AC use!

Back to your original question....
*Fuel filter block would appear as lack of power & unable to reach higher RPMs
*Air filter block: Lack of power
*Snow Screen block: Lack of power
*Poor milage could appear from a leaky injector....these are rare occurances

HTH

Tony
 

whitedog

Veteran Member
Joined
Jul 12, 2004
Location
Bend, Oregon
TDI
2004 Jetta that I fill by myself
Get the timing checked, but not by the dealer. There is a window for where the timing should be and as long as it anywhere in that window, the dealer will call it good. What you want is the timing close to the top of the graph.

Make sure the temp sensors are working correctly. If the ECU thinks the car is cold, it will over fuel it. The fuel temp sensor may do the same thing.

Injection quantity may have an effect as well.

All of these things can be checked by someone with a VAGCOM, and the dealer probably won't do any of it. Find a loco to help you using the VAG-COM list here and if that doesn't help, try the list on Vortex.
 

j_nickels

Member
Joined
Oct 18, 2005
Location
East Bay, California, USA
TDI
none
Tony, the weather here (Oakland, CA) is moderate, so I only use the AC if there's a heat wave, which has only happened twice this summer.
The needle on the temperature guage always rises to dead center (can't remember what temp that is).
This car doesn't have a snow screen, I checked for one when I replaced the air filter (I installed the version with the pre-filter).

Whitedog, thanks for the tip. So I should definately find someone with Vag-com and run a few tests BEFORE I take the car in to the dealer. Will look on the list today.

Thanks
 

greasemonkey

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Joined
Nov 6, 2003
Location
Oklahoma City, OK
TDI
Jetta 2003, Jetta 2009
I'm surprised the pilots haven't spoken up here. Wind can affect your milage. 58 mpg (us) from San Antonio Tx to OKC, w/load, AC, at 85+mph.

Oh, we had a 30 mph tailwind that day, (but I don't normally tell that part unless asked :D). So drive with the wind.
 
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