No start, electrical

Jerry.W

Member
Joined
Jul 13, 2019
Location
Earle, AR
TDI
2006 Jetta, 2006 Beetle
I recently purchased a 2006 Jetta (BRM). I put about 1000 trouble free miles on it before this problem started.

On the way to work, I noticed that the display reset with a very brief disconnect (like the ignition was momentarily turned off). I stopped at the store and before I left the parking lot the car died and would not restart. It turned normally with no attempt to start. Eventually, I got it started and made it to work, but it stopped a few more times along the way. Now it is dead at work.

The PRND21 lights are flashing with the boxes and my steering wheel symbol turns from red to amber. No glow plug light and no cel (though it was on before the trouble).

I replaced the ignition and the relay in the engine compartment fuse box. I tested and replaced the weak battery. I noticed a strong spark upon connecting the battery. I checked continuity with ground on all the large wires on the front of the fuse box in the engine compartment. The second from inside wire shows continuity to ground and 7.7v to +battery terminal.

I momentarily got my dime store obd2 scanner to show codes and the only code that I read was lost connection with ecm/pcm.

I haven’t been able to get under the car to inspect the wire beyond the 90 degree turn at the bottom of the engine compartment. I checked all the grounds in the area. I am lost. Please help.
 

mextdi

Veteran Member
Joined
Dec 16, 2013
Location
San Antonio, TX
TDI
2006 Jetta TDI 1.9, 2012 Passat TDI SE DSG, Previous 2014 Beetle TDi, 2012 Golf TDi DSG
There should be someone in your area with a VAGCOM or VCDS you can borrow to properly scan your codes. VWs can't be properly scanned with cheap scanners, sure, you will get codes but they will be very vague.

When the boxes on the PRND21 start to flash, that means your transmission has gone into limp mode. When you scan you will get the codes for that. Let's hope it is something easy to fix.

Read codes and post them here and we should be able to help you.

Cheers!
 

Jerry.W

Member
Joined
Jul 13, 2019
Location
Earle, AR
TDI
2006 Jetta, 2006 Beetle
I don’t know anyone who has a VAGCOM or VCDS. I’m out of money at the moment. I am going to talk to a mechanic tomorrow to see if he has one.
 

Jerry.W

Member
Joined
Jul 13, 2019
Location
Earle, AR
TDI
2006 Jetta, 2006 Beetle
The wire that was showing continuity appears to be holding voltage or it is being fed voltage positive from another source. I plan to pull the steering control module and see if it changes anything.
 

Jerry.W

Member
Joined
Jul 13, 2019
Location
Earle, AR
TDI
2006 Jetta, 2006 Beetle
I finally rented a vcds cable. Here is the scan results...

Thursday,15,August,2019,18:09:55:42304
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 8 x64
VCDS Version: 19.6.1.0 (x64)
Data version: 20190529 DS308.0
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VIN: 3VWCT71K16M849571 License Plate:
Mileage: 296550km-184267mi Repair Order:

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Chassis Type: 1K (1K0)
Scan: 01 02 03 08 09 0F 15 16 17 19 1C 25 42 44 46 47 52 56 62 65
72 7D
VIN: 3VWCT71K16M849571 Mileage: 296550km-184267miles
00-Steering Angle Sensor -- Status: OK 0000
01-Engine -- Status: Cannot be reached 1100
02-Auto Trans -- Status: Malfunction 0010
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: Malfunction 0010
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: Malfunction 0010
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: Malfunction 1010
0F-Digital Radio -- Status: Malfunction 0010
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: Malfunction 0010
17-Instruments -- Status: Malfunction 0010
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: Malfunction 0010
1C-Position Sensing -- Status: Malfunction 0010
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: Malfunction 0010
46-Central Conv. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
47-Sound System -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: Malfunction 0010
62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
65-Tire Pressure -- Status: Malfunction 0010
72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
7D-Aux. Heat -- Status: Malfunction 0010

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Address 01: Engine
Cannot be reached
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Address 02: Auto Trans Labels: 02E-927-770.clb
Part No SW: 02E 300 043 HW: 02E 927 770 AE
Component: GSG DSG 070 1126
Revision: 04507000 Serial number: 00000607080801
Coding: 0000020
Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
VCID: 51A91D51C84C7AC746-8004
1 Fault Found:
18258 - Powertrain Data Bus
P1850 - 000 - Missing Message from ECU
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01100000
Fault Priority: 0
Fault Frequency: 255
Reset counter: 40
Mileage: 296559 km
Time Indication: 0

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Address 03: ABS Brakes Labels: 1K0-907-379-MK60-F.lbl
Part No SW: 1K0 907 379 AC HW: 1K0 907 379 AC
Component: ESP FRONT MK60 0101
Revision: 00H11001
Coding: 0021122
Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
VCID: 73E5B7D9121068D794-8026
1 Fault Found:
01314 - Engine Control Module
004 - No Signal/Communication
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Address 08: Auto HVAC Labels: 1K0-820-047.lbl
Part No: 1K0 820 047 FQ
Component: Climatic PQ35 120 0606
Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
VCID: 78FF80F50B760B8FA1-802C
4 Faults Found:
00457 - Central Electronics Control Module / BCM (J519)
013 - Check DTC Memory
00819 - High Pressure Sensor (G65)
009 - Open or Short to Ground - Intermittent
01316 - ABS Control Module
004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
01314 - Engine Control Module
004 - No Signal/Communication
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Address 09: Cent. Elect. Labels:. 3C0-937-049-23-M.lbl
Part No SW: 3C0 937 049 AD HW: 3C0 937 049 AD
Component: Bordnetz-SG H52 2002
Revision: 00H52000 Serial number: 00000000627395
Coding: 14058E234004150007140000001400000008730B5C0000
Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
VCID: 6BD5AFB94A20B0175C-803E
Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1K1 955 119 E Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
Component: Wischer 101106 020 0501
Coding: 00065535
Shop #: WSC 00000
6 Faults Found:
00987 - Lamp for Brake Light; Left (M9)
012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00101100
Fault Priority: 1
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 158
Mileage: 292821 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2005.09.13
Time: 31:63:63
Freeze Frame:
ON
Voltage: 13.90 V
ON
ON
OFF
OFF
OFF
00988 - Lamp for Brake Light; Right (M10)
012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00101100
Fault Priority: 1
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 158
Mileage: 292821 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2005.09.13
Time: 31:63:63
Freeze Frame:
ON
Voltage: 13.90 V
ON
ON
OFF
OFF
OFF
02394 - Parking Light Left Front (M1)
012 - Electrical Fault in Circuit
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01101100
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 118
Mileage: 296559 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2005.09.13
Time: 31:63:63
Freeze Frame:
ON
Voltage: 12.40 V
ON
ON
OFF
OFF
OFF
01259 - Fuel Pump Relay (J17)
009 - Open or Short to Ground
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01101001
Fault Priority: 5
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 118
Mileage: 296559 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2005.09.13
Time: 31:63:63
Freeze Frame:
OFF
Voltage: 12.60 V
OFF
ON
OFF
OFF
OFF
02195 - Dimmer Switch Instrument Panel & Switch Lighting (E20)
009 - Open or Short to Ground
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01101001
Fault Priority: 5
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 118
Mileage: 296559 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2005.09.13
Time: 31:63:63
Freeze Frame:
OFF
Voltage: 12.60 V
OFF
ON
OFF
OFF
OFF
01314 - Engine Control Module
004 - No Signal/Communication
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01100100
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 118
Mileage: 296559 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2005.09.13
Time: 31:63:63
Freeze Frame:
ON
Voltage: 12.40 V
ON
ON
OFF
OFF
OFF

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Address 0F: Digital Radio Labels: 8E0-035-593-SIR.lbl
Part No SW: 8E0 035 593 D HW: 8E0 035 593 D
Component: SDAR SIRIUS H03 0060
Revision: 00000000 Serial number: AUZ4Z7F5030541
Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
VCID: 2A5B6ABD855A691FE7-807E
1 Fault Found:
02635 - Tuner Not Enabled/Activated
000 - -
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01100000
Fault Priority: 7
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 118
Mileage: 296559 km
Time Indication: 0

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Address 15: Airbags Labels: 1K0-909-605.lbl
Part No SW: 1K0 909 605 AB HW: 1K0 909 605 AB
Component: 6A AIRBAG VW8R 034 8000
Revision: 05034000 Serial number: 003B6D06KYCJ
Coding: 0013889
Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
VCID: 6CD7ACA54F2EB72F55-8038
Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1K0 959 339 F
Component: BF-Gewichtsens. 007 0005
Subsystem 2 - Serial number: 6332MSME49512C61B
Subsystem 3 - Serial number: 6342MSME1278452FG
Subsystem 4 - Serial number: 6351HSME0B0A4F1EM
Subsystem 5 - Serial number: 6361HSME0B115E73A
Subsystem 6 - Serial number: 63727SME0B101805T
Subsystem 7 - Serial number: 63827SME0B0F5F43E
No fault code found.
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Address 16: Steering wheel Labels: 1K0-953-549-MY8.lbl
Part No SW: 1K0 953 549 AS HW: 1K0 953 549 AS
Component: J0527 035 0070
Coding: 0012021
Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
VCID: 0305E71942B0585784-8056
Subsystem 1 - Part No: XXXXXXXXXXX
Component: E0221 002 0010
2 Faults Found:
00002 - Transmission Control Unit
004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
00457 - Central Electronics Control Module / BCM (J519)
004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
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Address 17: Instruments Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-17.lbl
Part No SW: 1K0 920 973 D HW: 1K0 920 973 D
Component: KOMBIINSTRUMENT 3HL 1610
Revision: V0003000 Serial number: VWZ7Z0F4640487
Coding: 0023203
Shop #: WSC 12345 111 45725
VCID: 2E5366ADB9B2053F3B-807A
2 Faults Found:
01314 - Engine Control Module
004 - No Signal/Communication
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01100100
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 7
Reset counter: 118
Mileage: 296559 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2000.00.00
Time: 00:16:27
00457 - Central Electronics Control Module / BCM (J519)
004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00100100
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 158
Mileage: 296559 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2000.00.00
Time: 00:07:24

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Address 19: CAN Gateway Labels:. 1K0-907-530-V2.clb
Part No SW: 1K0 907 530 H HW: 1K0 907 951
Component: J533__Gateway H12 0150
Revision: H12 Serial number: 31001068300902
Coding: 3FBF0B620F001002
Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
VCID: 2C576CA58FAE772F15-8078
2 Faults Found:
01314 - Engine Control Module
004 - No Signal/Communication
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01100100
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 118
Mileage: 296559 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2000.00.00
Time: 00:15:37
00457 - Central Electronics Control Module / BCM (J519)
004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00100100
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 158
Mileage: 296559 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2000.00.00
Time: 00:07:25

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Address 1C: Position Sensing Labels: 1Kx-919-xxx-1C.lbl
Part No SW: 1K5 919 965 A HW: 1K5 919 965 A
Component: Kompass 005 0003
Revision: 00005000 Serial number: 1293324T27TL03
Coding: 0000003
Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
VCID: 397945F170FCD2879E-806C
2 Faults Found:
01316 - ABS Control Module
004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00100100
Fault Priority: 3
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 158
Mileage: 296559 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2000.00.00
Time: 00:04:29
00457 - Central Electronics Control Module / BCM (J519)
004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00100100
Fault Priority: 3
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 158
Mileage: 296559 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2000.00.00
Time: 00:07:25

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Address 25: Immobilizer Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-25.clb
Part No SW: 1K0 920 973 D HW: 1K0 920 973 D
Component: IMMO 3HL 1610
Revision: V0003000 Serial number: VWZ7Z0F4640487
Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
VCID: 2E5366ADB9B2053F3B-807A
No fault code found.
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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver Labels:. 1K0-959-701-MIN3.clb
Part No SW: 1K0 959 701 P HW: 1K0 959 793 L
Component: J386 TUER-SG FT 1127
Revision: 32008001 Serial number: 00000075769019
Coding: 0001205
Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
VCID: 3B755FF97AC0E0978C-806E
No fault code found.
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Address 44: Steering Assist Labels: 1Kx-909-144-G2V3.clb
Part No: 1K1 909 144 L
Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl.070 H07 1806
Shop #: WSC 02069 000 90108
VCID: 346774C5579E2FEF4D-8060
2 Faults Found:
01314 - Engine Control Module
004 - No Signal/Communication - MIL ON
Freeze Frame:
Mileage: 296540 km
Temperature: 21.0°C
Voltage: 12.20 V
Voltage: 12.00 V
00778 - Steering Angle Sensor (G85)
000 - -
Freeze Frame:

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Address 46: Central Conv. Labels:. 1K0-959-433-MAX.clb
Part No SW: 1K0 959 433 CD HW: 1K0 959 433 CD
Component: KSG PQ35 RDK 051 0215
Revision: 00051000 Serial number: 00000000000000
Coding: 13900F880186281B0904058FB0880F0488DC00
Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
VCID: 74E7B4C5171E6FEF8D-8020
Subsystem 1 - Component: Sounder n.mounted
Subsystem 2 - Component: NGS n.mounted
Subsystem 3 - Component: IRUE n.mounted
2 Faults Found:
00457 - Central Electronics Control Module / BCM (J519)
013 - Check DTC Memory
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01101101
Fault Priority: 4
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 118
Mileage: 296559 km
Time Indication: 0
00457 - Central Electronics Control Module / BCM (J519)
004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00100100
Fault Priority: 4
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 158
Mileage: 296559 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2000.00.00
Time: 00:07:25

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Address 47: Sound System Labels: 3C0-035-456.clb
Part No: 1K6 035 456 A
Component: 08K Audioverst. 0005
Revision: 00003000 Serial number: 00000000014903
Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
VCID: 2A5B6ABD855A691FE7-807E
No fault code found.
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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. Labels:. 1K0-959-702-MIN3.clb
Part No SW: 1K0 959 702 P HW: 1K0 959 792 L
Component: J387 TUER-SG BT 1127
Revision: 32008001 Serial number: 00000028369018
Coding: 0001204
Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
VCID: 3C775CE57FCEE7AF85-8068
No fault code found.
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Address 56: Radio Labels: 1K0-035-1xx-56.lbl
Part No SW: 1K0 035 180 G HW: 1K0 035 180 G
Component: Radio DE2 145 0176
Revision: 00145000 Serial number: VWZ4Z7F2131244
Coding: 0010401
Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
VCID: 24478485E77EBF6FDD-8070
4 Faults Found:
00870 - Bass Speaker Front Left (R21)
011 - Open Circuit
00871 - Bass Speaker Front Right (R23)
011 - Open Circuit
00872 - Bass Speaker Rear Left (R15)
011 - Open Circuit
00873 - Bass Speaker Rear Right (R17)
011 - Open Circuit
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Address 62: Door, Rear Left Labels:. 1K0-959-703-GEN3.clb
Part No SW: 1K0 959 703 Q HW: 1K0 959 795 J
Component: J388 TUER-SG HL 1115
Revision: 12005001 Serial number: 00000000642234
Coding: 0001168
Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
VCID: 3E7356ED69D2F5BFAB-806A
No fault code found.
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Address 65: Tire Pressure Labels: 3C0-959-433-65.lbl
Part No SW: 1K0 959 433 CD HW: 1K0 959 433 CD
Component: RDK 0420
Revision: 00051000 Serial number: 00000000000000
Coding: 0100101
Shop #: WSC 131071 1023 2097151
VCID: 74E7B4C5171E6FEF8D-8020
1 Fault Found:
00625 - Vehicle Speed Signal
008 - Implausible Signal - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00111000
Fault Priority: 4
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 158
Mileage: 296559 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2000.00.00
Time: 00:04:30

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Address 72: Door, Rear Right Labels:. 1K0-959-704-GEN3.clb
Part No SW: 1K0 959 704 Q HW: 1K0 959 794 J
Component: J389 TUER-SG HR 1115
Revision: 12005001 Serial number: 00000000642938
Coding: 0001168
Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
VCID: 3F8D2BE96ED8FCB7A0-806A
No fault code found.
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Address 7D: Aux. Heat Labels: 1K0-963-235.lbl
Part No SW: 1K0 963 235 E HW: 1K0 963 235 E
Component: PTC-Element 0404
Revision: 00800000 Serial number:
Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
VCID: 2D5161A1B4B47E2702-8078
1 Fault Found:
00361 - Heater Element for Auxiliary Heater (Z35)
014 - Defective
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mr.loops

Veteran Member
Joined
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Location
Kelowna
TDI
2002 jetta, 2003 Bora 1.8T
I see a lot of no comm errors. It could be a CAN issue that’s preventing communication with the ECU




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goodmonkey

Veteran Member
Joined
Mar 20, 2006
Location
Anchorage, AK
TDI
2014 Passat TDI, 2011 Touareg TDI
The biggest issue I see with the scan is the ECU cannot be reached. That is causing faults in other modules.

Where the complaint is about J519 not being able to be reached is intermittent, so I'd clear those and see if they come back. That could be related to low voltage conditions before the battery was replaced
 
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Jerry.W

Member
Joined
Jul 13, 2019
Location
Earle, AR
TDI
2006 Jetta, 2006 Beetle
I purchased a known good j533... no change. I cleared the codes and re-scanned. I will post results when I get back to my PC. One problem I have is an open or short circuit to the fuel pump. I changed the relay and it sparked some when I did. I'm going to check the amperage on it when I can. Then I will begin to track down all the drains I have on the electrical system.
 

goodmonkey

Veteran Member
Joined
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Location
Anchorage, AK
TDI
2014 Passat TDI, 2011 Touareg TDI
It could be worth looking too at any wire looms going to the ECM to see if something has been chewed on. The fact the ECM can't be communicated with is the biggest issue, but can't tell just from the autoscan I can't tell if it is from the communication lines or the ECM doesn't have power. From the first symptoms you posted the ignition switch would seem the culprit, but if a cable was frayed and momentarily lost connection or shorted out that could be it as well. The fact now that even with the ignition on you have power to those other modules but no comms with the ECM would tend to rule out a problem with the ignition switch now, I think.
 

Jerry.W

Member
Joined
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Location
Earle, AR
TDI
2006 Jetta, 2006 Beetle
I cleared codes and got the following results.
Thursday,15,August,2019,17:28:15:42304
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 8 x64
VCDS Version: 19.6.1.0 (x64)
Data version: 20190529 DS308.0
www.Ross-Tech.com


Address 01: Engine Labels: 038-906-016-BEW.LBL
Control Module Part Number: 038 906 016 AB HW: 028 101 255 4
Component and/or Version: R4 1,9L EDC G000DG 7989
Software Coding: 0150038
Work Shop Code: WSC 00066 000 00000
VCID: 54A71445F45E0FEF6D-5140
1 Fault Found:
19464 - Camshaft Position Sensor (G40)
P3008 - 000 - Signal Out of Range - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
RPM: 588 /min
Torque: 118.0 Nm
Speed: 0.0 km/h
Load: 0.0 %
Voltage: 12.24 V
Bin. Bits: 00101100
Idle Stabilization: 0.0°KW
(no units): 35.0

Readiness: 0 0 0 0 1
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Address 01: DTCs cleared
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Address 01: Engine (038 906 016 AB)
17:29:56 Group 004: Pump-Jet Valves
903 /min Engine Speed (G28)
3.4 °BTDC Injection Start (specified)
7.7°KW Injection Duration (specified)
-2.0°KW Torsion Value
Friday,16,August,2019,11:28:20:42304
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 8 x64
VCDS Version: 19.6.1.0 (x64)
Data version: 20190529 DS308.0
www.Ross-Tech.com


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Address 19: CAN Gateway Labels: 1K0-907-530-V2.clb
Control Module Part Number: 1K0 907 530 H HW: 1K0 907 951
Component and/or Version: J533__Gateway H12 0150
Software Coding: 3FBF0B620F001002
Work Shop Code: WSC 00066 000 00000
VCID: 2C576CA58FAE772F15-8078
1 Fault Found:
01314 - Engine Control Module
004 - No Signal/Communication
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01100100
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 118
Mileage: 296559 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2000.00.00
Time: 00:01:39
Saturday,17,August,2019,07:48:47:42304
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 8 x64
VCDS Version: 19.6.1.0 (x64)
Data version: 20190529 DS308.0
www.Ross-Tech.com


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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (3C0 937 049 AD)
07:48:45
OFF Activation Relay Terminal 50
ON Activation Relay Terminal 15
ON Activation Relay Terminal 75
12.15 V Terminal 30 (left)
12.10 V Terminal 30 (right)
12.10 V Terminal 30 (ref.)
0.05 V Terminal 31 (ref.)
ON Terminal 15 (Input)
OFF Terminal 50 (Input)
ON Enabling P/N
OFF Terminal L (Input)
ON Terminal 15 (via LIN)
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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (3C0 937 049 AD)
07:50:07
12.15 V Terminal 30 (left)
12.15 V Terminal 30 (right)
12.15 V Terminal 30 (ref.)
0.05 V Terminal 31 (ref.)
ON Terminal 15 (Input)
OFF Terminal 50 (Input)
OFF Terminal L (Input)
ON Terminal 15 (via LIN)
OFF Terminal 50 (via LIN)
Inactive Load Management
0.0 Short-Distance Operations
0.0 Critical Time Fraction
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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (3C0 937 049 AD)
07:50:16
12.15 V Terminal 30 (left)
12.10 V Terminal 30 (right)
12.10 V Terminal 30 (ref.)
0.05 V Terminal 31 (ref.)
ON Terminal 15 (Input)
OFF Terminal 50 (Input)
OFF Terminal L (Input)
ON Terminal 15 (via LIN)
OFF Terminal 50 (via LIN)
Inactive Load Management
0.0 Short-Distance Operations
0.0 Critical Time Fraction
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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (3C0 937 049 AD)
07:50:18
12.15 V Terminal 30 (left)
12.10 V Terminal 30 (right)
12.10 V Terminal 30 (ref.)
0.10 V Terminal 31 (ref.)
ON Terminal 15 (Input)
OFF Terminal 50 (Input)
OFF Terminal L (Input)
ON Terminal 15 (via LIN)
OFF Terminal 50 (via LIN)
Inactive Load Management
0.0 Short-Distance Operations
0.0 Critical Time Fraction
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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (3C0 937 049 AD)
07:50:36
12.25 V Terminal 30 (left)
12.20 V Terminal 30 (right)
12.20 V Terminal 30 (ref.)
0.05 V Terminal 31 (ref.)
ON Terminal 15 (Input)
OFF Terminal 50 (Input)
OFF Terminal L (Input)
ON Terminal 15 (via LIN)
OFF Terminal 50 (via LIN)
Inactive Load Management
0.0 Short-Distance Operations
0.0 Critical Time Fraction
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Data version: 20190529 DS308.0
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Address 09: Cent. Elect. Labels: 3C0-937-049-23-M.lbl
Control Module Part Number: 3C0 937 049 AD HW: 3C0 937 049 AD
Component and/or Version: Bordnetz-SG H52 2002
Software Coding: 14058E234004150007140000001400000008730B5C0000
Work Shop Code: WSC 00000 000 00000
Additional Info: 1K1955119E Wischer 101106 020 0501
VCID: 6BD5AFB94A20B0175C-803E
3 Faults Found:
01259 - Fuel Pump Relay (J17)
009 - Open or Short to Ground
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01101001
Fault Priority: 5
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 239
Mileage: 296559 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2005.09.13
Time: 31:63:63
Freeze Frame:
ON
Voltage: 12.20 V
ON
ON
OFF
OFF
OFF
02195 - Dimmer Switch Instrument Panel & Switch Lighting (E20)
009 - Open or Short to Ground
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01101001
Fault Priority: 5
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 239
Mileage: 296559 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2005.09.13
Time: 31:63:63
Freeze Frame:
ON
Voltage: 12.20 V
ON
ON
OFF
OFF
OFF
01314 - Engine Control Module
004 - No Signal/Communication
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01100100
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 239
Mileage: 296559 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2005.09.13
Time: 31:63:63
Freeze Frame:
ON
Voltage: 12.20 V
ON
ON
OFF
OFF
OFF

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Chassis Type: 1K (1K0)
Scan: 01 02 03 08 09 0F 15 16 17 19 1C 25 42 44 46 47 52 56 62 65
72 7D
VIN: 3VWCT71K16M849571 Mileage: 296550km-184267miles
00-Steering Angle Sensor -- Status: OK 0000
01-Engine -- Status: Cannot be reached 1100
02-Auto Trans -- Status: Malfunction 0010
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: Malfunction 0010
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: Malfunction 0010
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
0F-Digital Radio -- Status: Malfunction 0010
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: Malfunction 0010
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: Malfunction 0010
1C-Position Sensing -- Status: OK 0000
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: Malfunction 0010
46-Central Conv. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
47-Sound System -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: Malfunction 0010
62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
65-Tire Pressure -- Status: OK 0000
72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
7D-Aux. Heat -- Status: Malfunction 0010

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Address 01: Engine
Cannot be reached
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Address 02: Auto Trans Labels: 02E-927-770.clb
Part No SW: 02E 300 043 HW: 02E 927 770 AE
Component: GSG DSG 070 1126
Revision: 04507000 Serial number: 00000607080801
Coding: 0000020
Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
VCID: 51A91D51C84C7AC746-8004
1 Fault Found:
18258 - Powertrain Data Bus
P1850 - 000 - Missing Message from ECU
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01100000
Fault Priority: 0
Fault Frequency: 255
Reset counter: 40
Mileage: 296559 km
Time Indication: 0

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Address 03: ABS Brakes Labels: 1K0-907-379-MK60-F.lbl
Part No SW: 1K0 907 379 AC HW: 1K0 907 379 AC
Component: ESP FRONT MK60 0101
Revision: 00H11001
Coding: 0021122
Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
VCID: 73E5B7D9121068D794-8026
1 Fault Found:
01314 - Engine Control Module
004 - No Signal/Communication
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Address 08: Auto HVAC Labels: 1K0-820-047.lbl
Part No: 1K0 820 047 FQ
Component: Climatic PQ35 120 0606
Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
VCID: 78FF80F50B760B8FA1-802C
2 Faults Found:
00457 - Central Electronics Control Module / BCM (J519)
013 - Check DTC Memory
01314 - Engine Control Module
004 - No Signal/Communication
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Address 09: Cent. Elect. Labels:. 3C0-937-049-23-M.lbl
Part No SW: 3C0 937 049 AD HW: 3C0 937 049 AD
Component: Bordnetz-SG H52 2002
Revision: 00H52000 Serial number: 00000000627395
Coding: 14058E234004150007140000001400000008730B5C0000
Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
VCID: 6BD5AFB94A20B0175C-803E
Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1K1 955 119 E Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
Component: Wischer 101106 020 0501
Coding: 00065535
Shop #: WSC 00000
3 Faults Found:
01259 - Fuel Pump Relay (J17)
009 - Open or Short to Ground
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01101001
Fault Priority: 5
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 239
Mileage: 296559 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2005.09.13
Time: 31:63:63
Freeze Frame:
ON
Voltage: 12.20 V
ON
ON
OFF
OFF
OFF
02195 - Dimmer Switch Instrument Panel & Switch Lighting (E20)
009 - Open or Short to Ground
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01101001
Fault Priority: 5
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 239
Mileage: 296559 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2005.09.13
Time: 31:63:63
Freeze Frame:
ON
Voltage: 12.20 V
ON
ON
OFF
OFF
OFF
01314 - Engine Control Module
004 - No Signal/Communication
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01100100
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 239
Mileage: 296559 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2005.09.13
Time: 31:63:63
Freeze Frame:
ON
Voltage: 12.20 V
ON
ON
OFF
OFF
OFF

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Address 0F: Digital Radio Labels: 8E0-035-593-SIR.lbl
Part No SW: 8E0 035 593 D HW: 8E0 035 593 D
Component: SDAR SIRIUS H03 0060
Revision: 00000000 Serial number: AUZ4Z7F5030541
Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
VCID: 2A5B6ABD855A691FE7-807E
1 Fault Found:
02635 - Tuner Not Enabled/Activated
000 - -
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01100000
Fault Priority: 7
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 239
Mileage: 296559 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2000.00.00
Time: 00:15:28

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Address 15: Airbags Labels: 1K0-909-605.lbl
Part No SW: 1K0 909 605 AB HW: 1K0 909 605 AB
Component: 6A AIRBAG VW8R 034 8000
Revision: 05034000 Serial number: 003B6D06KYCJ
Coding: 0013889
Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
VCID: 6CD7ACA54F2EB72F55-8038
Subsystem 1 - Part No: 1K0 959 339 F
Component: BF-Gewichtsens. 007 0005
Subsystem 2 - Serial number: 6332MSME49512C61B
Subsystem 3 - Serial number: 6342MSME1278452FG
Subsystem 4 - Serial number: 6351HSME0B0A4F1EM
Subsystem 5 - Serial number: 6361HSME0B115E73A
Subsystem 6 - Serial number: 63727SME0B101805T
Subsystem 7 - Serial number: 63827SME0B0F5F43E
No fault code found.
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Address 16: Steering wheel Labels: 1K0-953-549-MY8.lbl
Part No SW: 1K0 953 549 AS HW: 1K0 953 549 AS
Component: J0527 035 0070
Coding: 0012021
Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
VCID: 0305E71942B0585784-8056
Subsystem 1 - Part No: XXXXXXXXXXX
Component: E0221 002 0010
No fault code found.
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Address 17: Instruments Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-17.lbl
Part No SW: 1K0 920 973 D HW: 1K0 920 973 D
Component: KOMBIINSTRUMENT 3HL 1610
Revision: V0003000 Serial number: VWZ7Z0F4640487
Coding: 0023203
Shop #: WSC 12345 111 45725
VCID: 2E5366ADB9B2053F3B-807A
1 Fault Found:
01314 - Engine Control Module
004 - No Signal/Communication
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01100100
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 239
Mileage: 296559 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2000.00.00
Time: 00:15:28

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Address 19: CAN Gateway Labels:. 1K0-907-530-V2.clb
Part No SW: 1K0 907 530 H HW: 1K0 907 951
Component: J533__Gateway H12 0150
Revision: H12 Serial number: 31001068242066
Coding: 3FBF0B620F001002
Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
VCID: 2C576CA58FAE772F15-8078
1 Fault Found:
01314 - Engine Control Module
004 - No Signal/Communication
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01100100
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 239
Mileage: 296559 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2000.00.00
Time: 00:15:29

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Address 1C: Position Sensing Labels: 1Kx-919-xxx-1C.lbl
Part No SW: 1K5 919 965 A HW: 1K5 919 965 A
Component: Kompass 005 0003
Revision: 00005000 Serial number: 1293324T27TL03
Coding: 0000003
Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
VCID: 397945F170FCD2879E-806C
No fault code found.
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Address 25: Immobilizer Labels: 1K0-920-xxx-25.clb
Part No SW: 1K0 920 973 D HW: 1K0 920 973 D
Component: IMMO 3HL 1610
Revision: V0003000 Serial number: VWZ7Z0F4640487
Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
VCID: 2E5366ADB9B2053F3B-807A
No fault code found.
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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver Labels:. 1K0-959-701-MIN3.clb
Part No SW: 1K0 959 701 P HW: 1K0 959 793 L
Component: J386 TUER-SG FT 1127
Revision: 32008001 Serial number: 00000075769019
Coding: 0001205
Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
VCID: 3B755FF97AC0E0978C-806E
No fault code found.
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Address 44: Steering Assist Labels: 1Kx-909-144-G2V3.clb
Part No: 1K1 909 144 L
Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl.070 H07 1806
Shop #: WSC 02069 000 90108
VCID: 346774C5579E2FEF4D-8060
2 Faults Found:
01314 - Engine Control Module
004 - No Signal/Communication - MIL ON
Freeze Frame:
Mileage: 296540 km
Temperature: 25.0°C
Voltage: 12.20 V
Voltage: 12.00 V
00778 - Steering Angle Sensor (G85)
000 - -
Freeze Frame:

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Address 46: Central Conv. Labels:. 1K0-959-433-MAX.clb
Part No SW: 1K0 959 433 CD HW: 1K0 959 433 CD
Component: KSG PQ35 RDK 051 0215
Revision: 00051000 Serial number: 00000000000000
Coding: 13900F880186281B0904058FB0880F0488DC00
Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
VCID: 74E7B4C5171E6FEF8D-8020
Subsystem 1 - Component: Sounder n.mounted
Subsystem 2 - Component: NGS n.mounted
Subsystem 3 - Component: IRUE n.mounted
1 Fault Found:
00457 - Central Electronics Control Module / BCM (J519)
013 - Check DTC Memory
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01101101
Fault Priority: 4
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 239
Mileage: 296559 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2000.00.00
Time: 00:15:30

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Address 47: Sound System Labels: 3C0-035-456.clb
Part No: 1K6 035 456 A
Component: 08K Audioverst. 0005
Revision: 00003000 Serial number: 00000000014903
Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
VCID: 2A5B6ABD855A691FE7-807E
No fault code found.
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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. Labels:. 1K0-959-702-MIN3.clb
Part No SW: 1K0 959 702 P HW: 1K0 959 792 L
Component: J387 TUER-SG BT 1127
Revision: 32008001 Serial number: 00000028369018
Coding: 0001204
Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
VCID: 3C775CE57FCEE7AF85-8068
No fault code found.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 56: Radio Labels: 1K0-035-1xx-56.lbl
Part No SW: 1K0 035 180 G HW: 1K0 035 180 G
Component: Radio DE2 145 0176
Revision: 00145000 Serial number: VWZ4Z7F2131244
Coding: 0010401
Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
VCID: 24478485E77EBF6FDD-8070
4 Faults Found:
00870 - Bass Speaker Front Left (R21)
011 - Open Circuit
00871 - Bass Speaker Front Right (R23)
011 - Open Circuit
00872 - Bass Speaker Rear Left (R15)
011 - Open Circuit
00873 - Bass Speaker Rear Right (R17)
011 - Open Circuit
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Address 62: Door, Rear Left Labels:. 1K0-959-703-GEN3.clb
Part No SW: 1K0 959 703 Q HW: 1K0 959 795 J
Component: J388 TUER-SG HL 1115
Revision: 12005001 Serial number: 00000000642234
Coding: 0001168
Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
VCID: 3E7356ED69D2F5BFAB-806A
No fault code found.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 65: Tire Pressure Labels: 3C0-959-433-65.lbl
Part No SW: 1K0 959 433 CD HW: 1K0 959 433 CD
Component: RDK 0420
Revision: 00051000 Serial number: 00000000000000
Coding: 0100101
Shop #: WSC 131071 1023 2097151
VCID: 74E7B4C5171E6FEF8D-8020
No fault code found.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 72: Door, Rear Right Labels:. 1K0-959-704-GEN3.clb
Part No SW: 1K0 959 704 Q HW: 1K0 959 794 J
Component: J389 TUER-SG HR 1115
Revision: 12005001 Serial number: 00000000642938
Coding: 0001168
Shop #: WSC 00066 000 00000
VCID: 3F8D2BE96ED8FCB7A0-806A
No fault code found.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Address 7D: Aux. Heat Labels: 1K0-963-235.lbl
Part No SW: 1K0 963 235 E HW: 1K0 963 235 E
Component: PTC-Element 0404
Revision: 00800000 Serial number:
Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
VCID: 2D5161A1B4B47E2702-8078
2 Faults Found:
00361 - Heater Element for Auxiliary Heater (Z35)
014 - Defective
01314 - Engine Control Module
004 - No Signal/Communication - Intermittent
End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 02:09)--------------------------


This has been a long process due to work and other vehicle and life issues. I have checked grounds and wires to ECM. No visual defects. I am going to try to finish my wife's 2006 Beetle repairs and then get back on the Jetta. I had to replace the head on the BEW engine and found a couple boost leaks. I should finish that before I go back to work Friday and then my next time off will be dedicated to the Jetta.

I am leaning toward an actual ECM failure, but the short to the fuel pump needs to be addressed first. I disconnected the relay and when I put the relay back in I heard an audible arc, so I assume the motor is bad.

I will update when I get back on it. Thanks for all your help!
 

Jerry.W

Member
Joined
Jul 13, 2019
Location
Earle, AR
TDI
2006 Jetta, 2006 Beetle
I have a few questions. First a statement, though. My fuel pump is not getting power. Is that dependent on a signal from the ecu? Also, does anyone have a diagram for the ecu connectors that indicates the power and ground wires? Is there another diagnostic test to determine if the ecu is bad? I simply do not have $1200 to hope for a fix. One last thing... is there a source for ecu programming other than a dealer?
 

crazyrunner33

Veteran Member
Joined
Jul 11, 2006
Location
Charlotte, NC
TDI
'10 Golf(bought back)
It's pretty easy to follow the loom. You'll need to move the intake to the side(I believe only an Allen holds it down) and the battery box(held down by 2 10mm bolts.

Before opening the loom up, double check the ground cable that goes from the chassis to the transmission mount. Remove it, clean the area up and tighten it down. It'd be worth reconnecting the battery and see if that fixes.

If the issue continues, the harness you're looking for is the one that has connections to the anti shudder valve, coolant temp sensor, crank and cam sensors, etc. Usually it'll have issues near that ground cable under the battery tray.
 

mr.loops

Veteran Member
Joined
Nov 24, 2010
Location
Kelowna
TDI
2002 jetta, 2003 Bora 1.8T
In response to your ECU question. Is it good or bad?

With KOEO, unplug your maf sensor simply check for a reference voltage . If you see 5 volts then your computer is working

Also, there are checks you can do at the relay side of things

Check 30 to see if you have 12 v. If you do, jump 30 and 87 and see if you hear it run
You can also check if you have ground at 85 and power at 86 with the ignition on
Another quick test is jump the pump directly.

Another edit: with all these no comm with modules you might have a can bus issue as well... fun

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Tdijarhead

Top Post Dawg
Joined
Nov 10, 2013
Location
Lawrenceville PA
TDI
2003 TDI Jetta Daughters Car, 2001 TDI Beetle, Daughters car, 2005 Golf TDI Mine, all 5 spds
Are you sure the battery is good? I see a bunch of 12.2v readings on that second scan. That’s about as close to a dead battery as you can come.
 

Bob S.

Top Post Dawg
Joined
Aug 17, 2006
Location
Central MD.
TDI
A B4V, some ALHs & BRMs
Do not forget to clean the connection of the fusible links & connections on the front of the engine space E-box. Corrosion there can cause similar issues.

Also, as others have said. Clean your grounds. All of them, every single one.

Verify a good battery charge.
 

Jerry.W

Member
Joined
Jul 13, 2019
Location
Earle, AR
TDI
2006 Jetta, 2006 Beetle
Battery is new. It was drained from testing on the second vcds scan. I have checked all grounds thoroughly. I have also removed, inspected, and replaced every fuse and relay. I replaced the can-bus module and the power distribution module. As far as the wire bundles, I removed the factory “loom” and inspected everything from the firewall to the ecu on both connectors, plus the longer bundle to the “y” at the left headlamp assembly. No broken or exposed wire.

ETA: I will test the MAF for voltage and the fuel pump relay.

ETA addendum: there is no stable voltage to MAF. I have to go to work, but for now I’ll ask for more information.

Does anyone have a diagram for the ecu pin connectors? I want to make sure I am getting proper power and grounding to the ecu.
 
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Jbwoo

Active member
Joined
Oct 28, 2018
Location
Kingston WA
TDI
15 GSW 06 Jetta BRM
I had a very similar issue as you described. Ended up being the ECM relay in the fuse box in the engine compartment that was bad. It tested OK on the bench, replaced it on a hunch with an OEM relay, and haven't had the problems again. I pulled all kinds of wiring, checked power and ground everywhere in the engine compartment. Even de-loomed most of the power loom to the ECM.

What was happening is once the ECM warmed up it would pull more power than the ECM 501 relay could maintain, and would quit. As far as the best I could surmise.
 

Jerry.W

Member
Joined
Jul 13, 2019
Location
Earle, AR
TDI
2006 Jetta, 2006 Beetle
Update

I purchased a used ECM from a junkyard and it is communicating, but the immobilizer is now preventing a start. Who can help with programming?
 
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