darrelld
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I can't find any 2012 Passat's?
NHTSA Update on CR HPFP failure investigation
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WutGas?
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Cause they're not failing...
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darrelld
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Carrying my four leaf clover as insurance.
Does anyone know if the Passat design will be on the EA288?
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Is it based on the VIN? All I see under the Carline heading is "Jetta"I see Jetta, A3, Q7, Golf (A6), and Touareg in 2nd spreadsheet.
I am using Excel 2003, so something in the conversion may have caused this.
dweisel
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VW says its the fuel............................odd that the changes made to the 2012 tdi Passat makes the Passat's fuel pump able to cope with all this bad fuel that is casing all the earlier MY hpfp failures. And these numbers don't include the sudden rash of failures we have seen here recently. I'll bet VW is buried with failures right now.
Also interesting is that we had two 09's fail on fuel that two ALH Beetles are still running strong on. So, fuel or design?
Also interesting is that we had two 09's fail on fuel that two ALH Beetles are still running strong on. So, fuel or design?
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Lightflyer1
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They say it is the fuel yet they released the car to market knowing the fuel was this way beforehand.
sickmtbnutcase
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Excel 2003 can only display so many rows. Try LibreOffice if you don't have Excel 2007 or newer available.
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Well, looks like the less than one percenters and the 0.1 percenters need to readjust their thinking.
When I have time (or maybe someone else can do it), we need to compute the failures by MYs and mileage at failure. There should be enough data now to perhaps see some failure trends.
I thing I'll make a trip to the Ford dealer and get a trade-in value on my 2009 for a C-max.
When I have time (or maybe someone else can do it), we need to compute the failures by MYs and mileage at failure. There should be enough data now to perhaps see some failure trends.
I thing I'll make a trip to the Ford dealer and get a trade-in value on my 2009 for a C-max.
darrelld
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You won't regret making that trip.Well, looks like the less than one percenters and the 0.1 percenters need to readjust their thinking.
When I have time (or maybe someone else can do it), we need to compute the failures by MYs and mileage at failure. There should be enough data now to perhaps see some failure trends.
I thing I'll make a trip to the Ford dealer and get a trade-in value on my 2009 for a C-max.
it is scary for us 09 (but i guess that 10 11 and 12 are no better even if they have a supposedly reviewed pump) owners to know that a single or a few tanks of below quality fuel could cause a damage that could cost $8K. I mean 99% of the time I fill up at the same 2 stations and I used those for 108K miles now, but if I was traveling around i would not feel safe. at all.
if NHTSA does not do anything and the news spread around, that could be the death of diesel...who would buy one knowing that on random fuel test a lot of them resulted contaminated with water or gasoline, or not in spec?
if NHTSA does not do anything and the news spread around, that could be the death of diesel...who would buy one knowing that on random fuel test a lot of them resulted contaminated with water or gasoline, or not in spec?
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darrelld
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The sheer magnitude of failures explains why they are taking the Amy1000 approach to repairs and not offering any extended warranty.
dweisel
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I think we are already at the jaw dropping point. The last two weeks we've seen an average of one failure show up here per day.
waltzconmigo
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looks to me like 2micron may have a very viable "retirement funder" going forward with the retrofit pump but in all seriousness, nearly 15% of all the fuel tested was outside of spec according to vw, this is a surprisingly high number. of course, we have no way of confirming this but we do know that other makes and previous vw models do not have problems too this extent. other than 2micron's efforts, not having designed in a post hpfp filter with the updated pumps is a major omission on vw's part. this seems to be a high enough percentage that bosch/vw should have known before release.
good luck everyone,
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waltz
but in all seriousness, nearly 15% of all the fuel tested was outside of spec according to vw, this is a surprisingly high number. of course, we have no way of confirming this but we do know that other makes and previous vw models do not have problems too this extent. other than 2micron's efforts, not having designed in a post hpfp filter with the updated pumps is a major omission on vw's part. this seems to be a high enough percentage that bosch/vw should have known before release.good luck everyone,
ciao,
waltz
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sickmtbnutcase
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I looked again at my failure listed in the spreadsheet. It says No for stall while driving. That's bull****.
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I've suspected for some time that the real number had to be in the thousands. Suspicion confirmed.
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Tell NHTSA. (Same goes for anyone else who finds that their own case is in error.)
sickmtbnutcase
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I did. I asked them to double-check the data in that column provided by VW to what was reported.
darrelld
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I suspected the same, why I traded my Jetta before this was picked by the auto mags and resale plummets.
gulfcoastguy
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Three at the dealer that I purchased my 2013 JSW Sportwagen 6M at monday. 2 of them in April and May of this year.
Lightflyer1
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61 failed with less than 500 miles on them. 77.4% failed with a lubricity of 450 or less. From the fuel testing document.
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Has there been any 2013 Jettas that have failed in decent quantities? I am on the edge about trading in my 2012 Impreza for a 2013 Jetta TDI (I have a thread in the Jetta section). Seeing all these failures makes me nervous. The design for the 2013 is the same, so I would assume that the failure would continue to exist? Looks like the general consensus is to stay away from the Jetta TDI!
Lightflyer1
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Not necessarily stay away, but you hope you aren't in the 1% to 5% that have been hit.
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In post 4463, VW says they have 5891 complaints with 5208 unique vins. That would indicate 683 vehicles had multiple failures like amy1000.
Ski in NC
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5891 failures at $8k each: $47,128,000. How much would it have cost to design and build a robust pump?
darrelld
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I would take a mirror to the dealer and see if it has the Czech made pump. The 2012 Golf TDI we have in our household is using the German made pump.
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I must have missed something in basic science and chemistry but I have always been taught that aluminum doesn't rust. IIRC, the hpfp is aluminum and therefore should not rust or corrod with any amount of water. The water may have adverse effects with other parts of the fuel system.