New York State TDI inspection confusion

[ErikR]

Just got my 06 Jetta TDI inspected at a private repair shop, I was told that when hooked up to the emissions machine it registered as a gas vehicle and the charge was $36, they showed me on the test form. I told them I always had the $10 safety inspection since I've owned it - basically a safety check and visual inspection of the tailpipe to verify it's not emitting visible smoke. I showed the service manager my registration which lists D for diesel and he agreed that the charge was $10. The emissions form did say gas but maybe this is from the tech entering it or the software itself?

Anyway this shop did my inspection 2 yrs ago and got it right, but I did tell them up front about the diesel car inspection process.

Just for kicks called the local VW dealership just to see if anything changed and they told me the opposite, that all TDI's now need to be hooked up to the emissions machine and the fee is now $36 ($10 safety fee plus the $25 diesel emissions fee).

Well maybe I should have known better than to get a second opinion about a TDI from a VW dealership but nothing has changed per the NYS DMV website.

Now that there are so many more NY TDIs on the road anyone else run into this confusion when getting a NY inspection?





All model year 1997 or newer non-exempt diesel-powered vehicles, registered anywhere in New York State, with a gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) less than 8,501 pounds, must get an annual OBDII emissions inspection, and are not subject to the diesel emissions inspection. (The annual diesel emissions inspection fee is $25. This fee is added to the safety inspection fee.)

 

[Geoxp]

Yes , NYS now requires a complete inspection just like the gasser. No longer just a $10 safety inspection. We pay $21 upstate and I assume you pay more because of the county you live in and your emissions check. This took effect over the summer sometime , don`t remember the date.

 

[IndigoBlueWagon]

Do you know what the emissions check consists of for diesels? I've had customers asking.

 

[ErikR]

interesting to hear the rules have changed, I dont know exactly what the procedure is, it's not detaield on the DMV website. I guess the DMV can change the rules but I'd expect it to apply to say 2012 and newer vehicles then, but that does not seem tot be the case.

 

[tdidieselbobny]

It was supposed to take effect near beginning of 2012,but actually was effective starting July 1st. We no longer get the white circle inspection stickers. Mine's due in December.....

 

[SAdslcar]

My TDI is up for inspection. How can I get a pass? Does anyone know what will cause a fail? I had a few codes stored, so I cleared them. Now my mechanic suggests that I will need to drive at least 80 miles before I go to the inspection station. Is this correct? It can take a very long time to do that amount of miles in NYC, unless you have a long trip planned. To drive 80 miles for the sole purpose to get an inspection is a waste of about $9 dollars in fuel and over 2 hours depending on the time/traffic.

 

[IndigoBlueWagon]

Once you reset the codes in your ECU it takes some driving to show emissions readiness. Your mechanic may be assuming you have to show readiness to pass inspection. No one here has said that yet, but that is the case in Massachusetts.

80 miles is probably a bit high, 30-50 miles seems to work OK for my cars.

 

[turbocharged798]

Do you know what the emissions check consists of for diesels? I've had customers asking.

It's just an OBD check for readiness and fault codes. They also check for proper CEL operation.

 

[tdidieselbobny]

I also think certain counties downstate have another emission test for pollution.

 

[IndigoBlueWagon]

It's just an OBD check for readiness and fault codes. They also check for proper CEL operation.

That's the same as Massachusetts. So cars with euro base tunes, cars with fault codes will fail. And to the poster above from NYC I'd suggest you drive 50 miles before getting inspected. No readiness or a CEL, fail.

 

[ErikR]

can you explan the euro based tune, do you mean a RC1 or RC2 tune for example woudl cause me to fail inspection? I guess I have to read more about the readniss test..

 

[IndigoBlueWagon]

If you've gotten the tune in the past three or four years then it will most likely show readiness. I think Jeff has transitioned to having all tunes show readiness as states started moving towards checking for it during inspection. You could contact Jeff and ask if you want to be sure.

 

[ErikR]

Thanks for the info, much apprecaited. I'll try to verify with Jeff. I got the RC1 tune about a year ago so I hoping Im OK.

 

[supton]

FYI: on my '04 PD motor it took about 4 days / 250miles (something like that) to set readiness codes. First time was for EGR repairs (no tune at that time), second for O2 sensor replacement (which did have an RC2 to complicate things). I don't know why it took so long, but it did. Luckily I have a Scangauge and could see when it would set readiness. YMMV.

 

[jayb79]

Paraphrased from the Bently on how to set readiness:

Volkswagen > A4 Platform > 1999 - 2005
1.9 Liter 4-Cyl. 2V TDI and TDI PD Generic Scan Tool, Engine Code(s): ALH, BEW
ST - Generic Scan Tool
Readiness code, generating

The respective fuses of Diesel-Direct fuel injection system must be OK:

Battery voltage must be at least 11.5 volts.

All electrical consumers such as, lights and rear window defroster must be switched off.

If vehicle is equipped with an A/C system, it must be switched off.

Ground (GND) connections between engine and chassis must be OK.

There must not be any DTCs stored in DTC memory

Vehicles with engine code ALH

Coolant temperature must be at least 80 ° C

Vehicles with engine code BEW

Coolant temperature must not be above the maximum of 25 ° C

Work sequence:

Vehicles with engine code ALH
Vehicles with engine code BEW

Work sequence (Vehicles with engine code ALH )

Switch ignition on.
Wait 5 seconds.
Let engine run at idle.
Wait 45 seconds.

Perform a road test.
The following operating conditions must be met during this road test:

With accelerator pedal depressed completely, accelerate vehicle in 3rd gear or in driving mode "3" from 50 km/h to 120 km/h.

Drive for 2 minutes in 4th gear or in driving mode "D" on a level driving surface at a constant vehicle speed with an engine speed of 1700 to 1900 RPM.

Park vehicle and switch off ignition.

Wait 15 seconds.

Switch ignition on.
Wait 5 seconds.

Let engine run at idle.
Wait 45 seconds.

Perform a road test again.

The following operating conditions must be met during this road test:

With accelerator pedal depressed completely, accelerate vehicle in 3rd gear or in driving mode "3" from 50 km/h to 120 km/h.

Drive for 2 minutes in 4th gear or in driving mode "D" on a level driving surface at a constant vehicle speed with an engine speed of 1700 to 1900 RPM.

Park vehicle and let engine run at idle for 3 minutes.

Accelerator pedal must not be operated during this time.

 

[Powder Hound]

Paraphrased from the Bently on how to set readiness:

...
Coolant temperature must be at least 80 ° C

...

Coolant temperature must not be above the maximum of 25 ° C

...

That one's gonna be tough...

 

[jayb79]

I think its supposed to be 125c

 

[SAdslcar]

Does anyone know what codes will cause a fail? Is it correct that a CEL is an automatic fail? My ten day is already expired, I'm on borrowed time. I've been trying, but as I fix things, different codes come up. The car runs great with absolutely no smoke, except for a puff at start up which is normal. I can't get out of the car fast enough to see the smoke after starting! If this was a real emissions test I'm sure it would pass. This is really frustrating...

 

[turbocharged798]

Any codes will cause it to fail. Non functional CEL will fail. Readiness not set will fail.

 

[SAdslcar]

I eliminated three codes, only to throw a glow plug code after connecting to VAG to clear the stored codes. A single glow plug! It's like the car is throwing codes faster than I can fix them and set rediness.

 

[SAdslcar]

I passed last night. Thanks to all for the advice and thanks to Jay for the rediness procedure. I followed that procedure the best I could, I was limited by traffic. I put almost 20 miles trying to meet the requirements. On the first third gear pull I ran in to slow traffic, on the second I hit 3500rpm, she started hovering there for a few seconds so I backed off. I drove back to the inspection station, he checked the rediness, and said all of the tests are complete except no support on the cat, which may not cause a fail. I believe it's not aplicable. So we started the inspection, and she passed, it was quick and there were no problems.

 

[turbocharged798]

My 99.5 set readiness in less than 3 miles...

 

[TDIJetta99]

My TDI is up for inspection. How can I get a pass? Does anyone know what will cause a fail? I had a few codes stored, so I cleared them. Now my mechanic suggests that I will need to drive at least 80 miles before I go to the inspection station. Is this correct? It can take a very long time to do that amount of miles in NYC, unless you have a long trip planned. To drive 80 miles for the sole purpose to get an inspection is a waste of about $9 dollars in fuel and over 2 hours depending on the time/traffic.

An ALH can be driven less than a mile under the right conditions and all of the monitors will set.. 2000 and older can have up to 2 "not ready" and it'll go through. 2001 and newer can only have up to 1 "not ready".. Some 99.5's will have all but 2 ready immediately after clearing codes so they go through.. Most won't and have to be driven around the block once or twice..

 

[SAdslcar]

My mechanic was suprised when I came by the next day and told him how I passed inspection about an hour after leaving his shop. He works on a lot of newer german cars and it takes them a long time to set rediness.

 

[tdidieselbobny]

I had the B4 inspected today-asked where the obd plug was(forgot to unplug the scangauge)-he asked if that was the correct mileage on odometer(343,349)-I said yep,he was surprised.... passed no problem,but had to wait for one of the guys to get back from Officemax-ran out of ink for printer,so they couldn't print the NYS receipt for inspection.I waited for it,as my luck I would need it.... however,it IS $21 for the TDI now,no longer get the sticker w/white circle-now I won't be able to tell if it's a TDI unless I see the back of car........

 

[BadNewsMike]

with Vag-com you can set monitors. glow-plug codes are the only ones that get me. I feel like im never done chasing those codes but I have EGR tuned out of all my cars.

 

[dbeeby2]

Hello folks. I know this is an old thread, but it's the best info I've found about passing inspection with a TDI in NYC/NYS.

2012 JSW 2.0 PD that is fully stock, registered and insured in NYC.

Backstory: I was getting some DPF/EGR errors and (stupidly) thought clearing the codes with VAG-COM would allow it to pass. The car failed inspection (OBD2 not ready) in March 2024. I tried to drive-cycle it in NYC, but couldn't get the CEL light to come back on. The shop said OBD2 was still not ready, but didn't charge me a second time. I took the car to my mother-in-law's place in PA in March to get a DPF flush. Then I drove the car to Michigan -- I got a CEL (DPF/EGR) somewhere in northern Ohio at around 600 miles. Back in PA the local shops don't know diesels too well, so I took it to the dealership in Allentown. Sure enough it needed a new EGR and DPF and Cat for $$$.

I've since driven the car for ~150 miles.

Can someone tell me which if the two "readiness" windows I should look at before driving the car to NYC to get it inspected (after five months of trying to "get it right")?

Thanks!

In VCDS the Engine --> readiness shows the following:
Tuesday,27,August,2024,09:42:27:20611
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 11 x64
VCDS Version: 24.7.0.0 (x64) HEX-V2 CB: 0.4643.4
Data version: 20240715 DS356.3
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VIN: 3VWML7AJ4CM643541 License Plate:
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Readiness Status: 00000000 00001111 11101011 01000001
MIL Status: MIL OFF
Comprehensive Components: Passed
Fuel System: Passed
Exhaust Gas Recirculation: Passed
Number of EOBD-related DTC(s): 0

BUT the OBDII --> Readiness shows the following:
Tuesday,27,August,2024,09:46:28:20611
VCDS Release 24.7.0 (x64): Generic OBD2
Mode 01 - PID 01 : Readiness -- Address 7E8

Number of DTCs stored: 0 -- MIL Status: MIL OFF
Misfire monitoring: Passed
Fuel System: Passed
Comprehensive Components: Passed
Catalyst monitoring: Failed or Incomplete <-------------------!!!!!!!!!!!
Heated catalyst monitoring: Passed
Evaporative system monitoring: Not installed.
Secondary air system monitoring: Passed
A/C system refrigerant monitoring: Not installed.
Oxygen sensor monitoring: Passed
Oxygen sensor heater monitoring: Failed or Incomplete <-------------------!!!!!!!!!!!
Exhaust Gas Recirculation: Passed

 

[tdidieselbobny]

You'll need to get one of the 2 failed items in your scan to pass before taking for inspection, can have 1 not ready or fail system and still pass(unless NYC is different, not sure)...

 

[dbeeby2]

@tdidieselbobny, thank you very much for that info. Unfortunately, that last part of your last sentence is what makes me nervous...

 

[dbeeby2]

Update: after a VERY long drive (at ~600 miles) the readiness reset and both systems showed 100% complete. The car passed inspection with flying colors in September 2024!