New South Gauge Install, Show and Tell

KrashDH

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Well, it finally happened.
In Oct of 2021, I ordered the Indigo New South gauges, and a steering wheel gauge column (2 place). Oil pressure, boost, and EGT.

The boost gauge shipped out pretty fast, I got it, but was waiting for the others because I wanted to wire up a clean, removable harness to the 3 gauges.
Back and forth emails for the first 6 months trying to figure out what was going on, and the only solid answer was "supply chain issues.

I gave up. About month ago, I received an email asking if I still wanted my order. Of course I did!

So I finally got to wire them up.

Let's start with the good...the final result!



Not too shabby. I did the "lay flat" vent conversion on my Golf, but had to go back to the original Golf vent on the driver side because I 3D printed an insert for the gauge to come. It took a bit of dremeling with a sanding disk to get a nice, snug fit with the gauge, which was ok.

I decided that I wanted to use Kerma's oil pressure adapter to eliminate any interference with the alternator plug being removed. I received it in about a week and it looked nice. But, I was disappointed that there were all sorts of shavings and burrs on the damn thing. I had to take care of all of that because no one wants the added lubricity of metal in their oil. Second off, they didn't provide the crush washers as shown in their image on the site. This ended up not being a good thing at all. Below is the thread I was asking about the adapter on there, if anyone had run it.


So I let the car sit overnight, popped the oil filter cap to let any in the housing drain back, then installed the cap again so that the residual would hopefully come out slow. I was happy that only a little bit came out:



Now to install this thing. The best way to install this adapter is not to have the ports straight up, but tilted slightly towards the front of the car. This is to avoid the dipstick. This is where the adventure starts. Lucky for me, I have all sorts of copper crush washers, but not in different thicknesses! I had 2 different styles. I tried the combinations of thicknesses with those 2 and nothing would clock it correctly, no matter how I stacked them. What was needed was a different thickness. So I was able to wrestle the OEM pressure sender crush washer off the threads. For it to fit over the Kerma adapter threads, I actually had to file out the ID of the washer.

I also hit the sides with some 180 grit then some 300 ish to bring the surfaces back to new (I re-use crush washers all the time this way)
After trying different combos of washer for what seemed like forever, the closest I could get was one copper crush washer and the OEM crush washer, which put the ports facing the back of the car. So I still needed to come about another 90* plus, which mean removing material from my copper one (making it thinner).

I wanted to make both sides parallel, so I grabbed a large file I had, put it in a vise, and went to town sliding the washer and removing material on both sides. Then cleaning, fit checking, repeating. I probably did this 5 times before the clocking was good. I don't like stacking crush washers, so all of the threads I installed get a light coat of Gasoila.

Enough of that frustrating event, here's a couple images of the result:

Final resting place:



No leaks:



Also swapped out my catch can setup for Kerma's bling. Not sure it's gonna do anything special, but I got sick of the plastic one. Not having tubes run over the top of the valve cover is nice too. Eventually I'll be getting an OMI when they're back in stock.



I recently purchased a new OEM valve cover and installed, so no more leaks. Thankful for that:



Ok now for the sad part. I wired the gauges up exactly how New South said with the instructions. Boost is easy. It's a ground wire, and a power wire which goes to the dimmer.
The other 2 gauges have their various wires for the egt probe and sender unit, but they operate with a switched 12V to the red wire to power them on, then an orange wire goes to the dimmer. So switched 12v turns the gauge functions on and the needle sweeps, then with orange being hooked to the dimmer, that's when they should light up.

Well, that's not how they were working. I applied 12V switched, and the power came on (needle sweep) AND the LED came on. The dimmer was doing nothing.
So I troubleshooted by bench testing, 12V to red, LED and power for both of them. 12V to orange (and not on red), the LED should have lit up, but it does nothing. 12V to both at the same time, nothing.

So now I have 2 gauges that come on full brightness when the key is turned on and you can't dim them, and the boost gauge works as it should.

Reached out to NewSouth, they don't know what's up. The distributor/vendor that makes the gauges, they don't know what's up. So I've identified an issue with their new run of gauges. My OCD hates it. I'm temped to just wire the boost gauge to switched 12V for now so they all just stay lit, but I've got my wiring harness "correct". So after over 2 years of waiting and finally installed, there's something wrong with their gauges (PCB maybe?).

Latest email "It we be a while until there is a resolution". Here's to another 2 years

At least all my readings seem to be right so I can keep an eye on things now
 
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KrashDH

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🤦‍♂️ Ah crap, well thanks for the warning, haven't installed mine yet.

Looks good otherwise! 👍👍
You should bench test them.
I'd like to know your results. If yours are "normal" I'm going to have a talk with them and make them send me new ones ASAP.

It sounds like they're trying to string me along (not the US vendor, but the actual manufacturer). Their backlog of orders is huge
 

J_dude

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My OCD hates it.
What about the fact that the centers on the oil psi and EGT don't match the boost gauge? 😁😁
You should bench test them.
I'd like to know your results. If yours are "normal" I'm going to have a talk with them and make them send me new ones ASAP.

It sounds like they're trying to string me along (not the US vendor, but the actual manufacturer). Their backlog of orders is huge
I'll test em and let you know, probably hauling bales tomorrow though so might be a few days.
 

dieseldonato

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Just wondering why you didn't go with a more mainstream brand, is there something special about these gauges?
 

Bradm

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Just wondering why you didn't go with a more mainstream brand, is there something special about these gauges?
Oem look/color match.
I ordered some too when i saw they were back in stock but probably won’t get around to getting them installed for a while. Thanks for the write up
 

KrashDH

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Just wondering why you didn't go with a more mainstream brand, is there something special about these gauges?
They earned their reputation with VW and kind of went hand in hand. And yes the OEM look. But apparently that's out the window because their new gauges don't match the old ones, and it seems their PCB isn't correct. This is what happens when a company switches manufacturers to save a fraction of a cent.

Only other gauges I'd consider would be Isspro (I have them in my truck) or autometer.

Let's just say after waiting 2 years, I'm very let down. Shouldn't be dealing with these trivial issues or the fact they don't even match each other.

I've had to deal directly with New South for my issue, but hopefully IDparts will test some of their gauges before sending them out. They didn't for me, and now I'm the one dealing with this headache.
 

burpod

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i say light them all. personally this wouldn't bother me more than 5 seconds. however, i would probaby waste a couple hours messing around trying to figure out if i could have somehow messed it up, and that would bug me the most. kind of tired wasting time..... on problems that shouldn't even be there, even if its a trivial one. if you see it, you want to solve it and know why
 

KrashDH

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i say light them all. personally this wouldn't bother me more than 5 seconds. however, i would probaby waste a couple hours messing around trying to figure out if i could have somehow messed it up, and that would bug me the most. kind of tired wasting time..... on problems that shouldn't even be there, even if its a trivial one. if you see it, you want to solve it and know why
I went through all of the troubleshooting you can with how they can be wired and how the voltage gets applied.

I could light all, that's an option. I just would have to hack into my harness and make another connection and it wouldn't be very clean since everything right now is the right length and connected to the right place.
Plus, you pay full price for something like this to work as it should
I'm going to have to double check mine now too, I got the boost last year I think so... we'll see...
You might have got lucky and gotten the "updated" one since mine was purchased over 2 years ago
 

dieseldonato

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They earned their reputation with VW and kind of went hand in hand. And yes the OEM look. But apparently that's out the window because their new gauges don't match the old ones, and it seems their PCB isn't correct. This is what happens when a company switches manufacturers to save a fraction of a cent.

Only other gauges I'd consider would be Isspro (I have them in my truck) or autometer.

Let's just say after waiting 2 years, I'm very let down. Shouldn't be dealing with these trivial issues or the fact they don't even match each other.

I've had to deal directly with New South for my issue, but hopefully IDparts will test some of their gauges before sending them out. They didn't for me, and now I'm the one dealing with this headache.
Probably why I never heard of them, not being in the vw diesel thing till I got my jetta a year ago. Last one I had before was an 86 td and all that got was an universal a pillar pyro. Honestly can't remember the brand anymore.
Admittedly I chapped out on gauges with the glowshit triple gauge in the car. I double checked with a spare autometer Pyro, fluke surface thermo couple and an ir temp gun. It's proven to be within a few *, the boost and fuel pressure are spot on against manual gauges. I didn't care for the one the steering wheel monts. I did 3d print the left side vent mount, but didn't like it either. Why I went with the glowshit triple gauge.
I do feel for you, no reason to go through so much bs to get a gauge in the first place, then deal with more bs after you finally get them. I hope they make it right, and make it right fast.
 

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You might have got lucky and gotten the "updated" one since mine was purchased over 2 years ago
No such luck, I tested them and I'm getting the same results, lights come on with 12v to the red wire. 😝
Dimmer wire does dim the gauge, but that's still not the way they're supposed to work.

Not at all impressed with the quality either, they feel (and look) nothing like the boost gauge I bought previously. They feel more like glowshift crap honestly. And the stepper motors sound kinda like rock crushers... not sure if that's normal..? 😂

So yeah, extremely disappointed about this, not even sure I want these any more if they're gonna feel this cheap.
 

J_dude

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i say light them all. personally this wouldn't bother me more than 5 seconds.
Well it bothers me, because I payed a heck of a lot of money for these because they are supposed to be a "perfect match" for the OEM gauges, and they have failed in that very field. And they don't even match the previous versions!
 

KrashDH

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No such luck, I tested them and I'm getting the same results, lights come on with 12v to the red wire. 😝
Dimmer wire does dim the gauge, but that's still not the way they're supposed to work.

Not at all impressed with the quality either, they feel (and look) nothing like the boost gauge I bought previously. They feel more like glowshift crap honestly. And the stepper motors sound kinda like rock crushers... not sure if that's normal..? 😂

So yeah, extremely disappointed about this, not even sure I want these any more if they're gonna feel this cheap.
Damn, sorry to hear that I was really hoping that I was just a one off situation. Doesn't look good though... They do feel way cheaper then the previous version. Sad excuse.
Dimmer wire works as it should for the boost gauge, hardly at all for the other 2
 

JDSwan87

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@KrashDH did you ever find a way to power the EGT gauge and make the backlight switchable? My circa 2016 NS EGT gauges functioned that way. My 2024 NS EGT gauges do NOT function that way.
 

KrashDH

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It's the egt and oil pressure gauges that won't switch on or off. Any of their new stuff doesn't function properly. My old boost gauge works as it should.

To answer your question though, no. It's an internal circuitry (PCB) issue New South is aware of, but they're not doing anything currently to support those of us that bought their new gauges.

It's been radio silence from the US distributor since I was originally in touch and brought up the issue, which eventually was confirmed. I gave up honestly.
 
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JDSwan87

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It's the egt and oil pressure gauges that won't switch on or off. Any of their new stuff doesn't function properly. My old boost gauge works as it should.

To answer your question though, no. It's an internal circuitry (PCB) issue New South is aware of, but they're not doing anything currently to support those of us that bought their new gauges.

It's been radio silence from the US distributor since I was originally in touch and brought up the issue, which eventually was confirmed. I gave up honestly.
Sadly I was afraid you were going to say that.
 

PakProtector

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Fork! Been wanting gages...but this is ridiculous. I think I will be happier if I just get something else, and do the rigging myself. I had been hoping for The Look...but if I don't hear of resolution soon, I am going to smile as I do without.

Douglas
 

KrashDH

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Fork! Been wanting gages...but this is ridiculous. I think I will be happier if I just get something else, and do the rigging myself. I had been hoping for The Look...but if I don't hear of resolution soon, I am going to smile as I do without.

Douglas
I would honestly just get Isspro or Autometer, get em "close enough" and call it a day. Haven't had a single issue with the ones in my truck in the decade I've had them
 
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JDSwan87

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I think my final wiring will be boost and EGT always on backlit since they are side by side.
 

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I think my final wiring will be boost and EGT always on backlit since they are side by side.
Yeah I paired my oil pressure and EGT together down by the cluster since they're the new "always on" version. I think it will look better once I get the kw1281test figured out and change the cluster backlighting to always be on as well.
 

Zak99b5

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Yeah I paired my oil pressure and EGT together down by the cluster since they're the new "always on" version. I think it will look better once I get the kw1281test figured out and change the cluster backlighting to always be on as well.
Interested in what you learn re: always-on cluster backlighting.
 

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Interested in what you learn re: always-on cluster backlighting.
 

Zak99b5

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That looks above my pay-grade. As soon as hexadecimal is mentioned, my eyes glaze over.
 
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