NEW 28F6/T9 Glow plug recall for 04-05 TDI

[Jmac444]

Thank you DeliveryValve for clarifying this. I ordered "D" glow plug control unit from id parts today. I dont know if its really anybodys fault there has been quite a few changes over the last couple years so its an easy mistake to say its "C" unit instead of "D". I did look for the recall letter from vw but had no luck finding it, if I had took a little more time I'm sure i would have and ordered the right one in the first place. I got my flashzilla in and put the 7v ngk file on it so i cant wait to try it out this weekend! There calling for teens to single digits overnight this weekend so i will report back on how the car starts!

 

[PDJetta]

Take a video of it starting and post it if you can.

--Nate

 

[Jmac444]

If the wifes camera does i will, my phones pretty lousy these days.

 

[Jmac444]

Update: New 7v ngk gps, gp conrtol unit "D" installed tonite. I also installed my flashzilla from malone tuning with the 7v ngk file on it. All i have to say about the stage 1.5 tune is WOW! The car runs so strong now its unbelievable i can't believe its the same car, Mark know what hes doing! If your on the fence to get your car tuned just do it you wont regret it! Its going to get down to 20 degrees tonite so i will let you guys know how it starts in the am. Sunday night is suppossed to be down to 9 degrees ill take a video monday am.

 

[Richptl]

Ugh now it sounds as if the ID Parts web site is wrong and that is where I got my "C" module. I'll send a note to customer service to see what I can clarify. What a pain in the neck this whole mess is.

I reloaded a new tune with the Q-Loader which has the recall flash. Alas cold weather is over now so now good opportunity to test.

 

[Richptl]

Ugh now it sounds as if the ID Parts web site is wrong and that is where I got my "C" module. I'll send a note to customer service to see what I can clarify. What a pain in the neck this whole mess is.

I reloaded a new tune with the Q-Loader which has the recall flash. Alas cold weather is over now so now good opportunity to test.

On top of that the "C" module costs over 2 1/2 times as much as the "D".

Just when I thought I was all done with this mess. Maybe I am not getting the juice from the "C" module that the "D" would yield.

 

[turbocharged798]

Just checked my receipt from the GP recall and it has the "D" relay listed on it.


Wonder what is the difference?

 

[Jmac444]

Im not sure what the differnce is it may be something with the amps and voltage but idk. I can tell you the few seconds the original gps, control unit and software took to get the car started is gone. Once i hit the key after the glow plug light goes out it fires right up. Its a big difference so if you do go with the new gps, control unit and sowftware you wont regret it. I will try to post a video this weekend.

 

[IndigoBlueWagon]

Richptl pointed me to this thread: I wasn't aware that dealers were swapping out relays as part of the latest recall. It doesn't seem clear to what I've read here whether or not the new NGK plugs work with the existing relay 038 907 281 C that came in the BEWs. Anyone have experience with that?

And ETKA still indicates the 038 907 281 D relay is only suitable for BRM engined Jettas in NA. We can suggest people investigate what relay is best suited for their car with its current setup (depending on what recalls have been completed) but we're hard pressed to contradict VW's catalog. I can try to get a copy of the TSB and see what it recommends. Anyone have that? Apologies if I missed it here.

 

[DeliveryValve]

....... I can try to get a copy of the TSB and see what it recommends. Anyone have that? Apologies if I missed it here...

http://forums.tdiclub.com/showpost.php?p=3694845&postcount=238




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[IndigoBlueWagon]

Thanks.

 

[PDJetta]

I noticed on that last recall that the only cars covered were the ones that had the previosu campaign performed (was this the 5-volt steel GP installation and ECU reflash to 5-volts for the GPs?). What about those with the original Bosch ceramics and no recalls done? Are those cars covered?

--Nate

 

[turbocharged798]

Yes, ALL BEWs are covered.

 

[ajmoore]

Yes, ALL BEWs are covered.

Wrong according to VW. My 2006 Golf with a BEW isn't covered. Had the first update done, and have hard starting. They say it's only for 04-05 in Canada.

 

[Jmac444]

This technical bulletin​

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DOES NOT apply to vehicles equipped with previous version NGK Long glow plugs
(N10591604, N10591608).​

This technical bulletin applies only to vehicles that have had the 28E6 previously performed.

The new 7v ngk plugs N10591609 and new gp control unit "D" and reflash would only be preformed if the previous steel 5v gps where installed. From the recall letter it only shows 04-05 BEW, BHW TDI vehicles. It shows nothing on 06 model vehicles. When i did my new 7v ngk gps i installed N01591609 , GP Control Unit "D" 038907281D and reflashed with my tuner. I did remove 7v ngk plugs N10591604, GP Control unit "C" 03807281C. I was expecting to see version "A" gp control unit and i did not. Im thinking they tried to change the gp control unit with version "C" to correct the hard starting problem that the 04-05 vehicles had but im not sure. The car did start ok before i updated the gp system but it did take a few seconds longer than it does now.

 

[QuickWrite]

Jmad444: Thanks for the info. Sounds like your own work using Malone Tuning software did the trick. Can you post a copy of the TSB you referenced in Post #255, or point me to it if you already did?

I'm still trying to decide what to do on my car. I have a late '05 MkIV Jetta PD and I've had no glow plug problems until recently, when I get an intermittent fault on a single glow plug, only in cold weather (~40F range overnight or colder). When this happens, the car still starts fine, it's just runs very slightly rougher than usual for the first few seconds, as if that one cylinder isn't lighting off right. I've had no glow plug recalls performed and the dealer tells me the only one called for is a software upgrade, no parts. I've heard some late 2005 cars had steel glow plugs installed from the factory, and it may be that's what I've got. I've never pulled any to look, but maybe that should be my first step.

 

[Jmac444]

Actual TSB document.
http://pics.tdiclub.com/data/500/PD_...ul_12-2010.pdf


Im guessing you have a brm code engine, which was not covered under that tsb from what i can see. ID parts lists ngk cermaic plugs as the original glow plugs it would be the easiest thing to do is buy another one and replace the bad one or change the set if your happy with the starting preformance just leave it with the original set up. I would have not changed the gps and updated the system if they were not prone to breaking and failing because the car was starting ok at the time.

 

[Flyer5]

I Just had my GP recall done on my 2004 Jetta w 244,000 miles. I had it at Wyoming Valley motors in PA. I have to say they were very professional about it. I had a few questions before taking it there and they were excellent at getting me the information. He knew that I did all my own work normally and it did not seem to bother them at all. While it was there I had a new key made and the brake light switch replaced done in less than a day. I have to say I thought it was going to be an aggravating experience but it was far from that. Oh yea 16 degrees this morning and the car started right up .

 

[shuswap]

They won't do my 2005 BEW gplugs under warranty. One has failed, the ceramic insulator is fractured and there are pieces of the ceramic missing. Now where do you suppose those missing pieces went to?

It is the stock Bosch (01) gplug, as installed by VW.

I've ordered voltage-compatible NGK plugs from IDPARTS

Not sure why VW won't do the replacement (we're in Canada) but I told them all about the difficult starting and the parts fella took it to their warranty manager, to no avail.

I guess they don't realize that they need satisfied customers giving positive referrals if they want to be #1. Toyota rode that make-belief wave for many many years and Billions of dollars in extra profitability. I really like the engineering of the Golf, but the corporate warranty-support guys need a spanking.

But, VW owns the turbo diesel car market in North America. Which makes me wonder what on earth Fiat was thinking when they brought those little high-priced Versa-wannabees instead of their own diesels to the North American market. I predict a retreat for Fiat....as they well know how to do that!!

 

[IndigoBlueWagon]

I called our local dealer today on behalf of a customer who recently bought an '06 Golf that had the conversion to steel glow plugs done in '09. He had the car chip tuned yesterday and the tuner (Rocketchip) suggested he switch to the NGK 7v plugs. He didn't want to hassle with the dealer and have a re-flash that might take his tune away, so I offered to call with his VIN and see if I could at least get him the plugs.

The service manager said that he was looking to see if the car was covered under an extended warranty, and if it wasn't he couldn't authorize the recall. He did see the '09 recall, but said there was no new one. This left me unclear about what criteria VW is using for the latest re-flash and plug replacement. But it seems different from the previous one.

 

[ik0n]

Not sure why VW won't do the replacement (we're in Canada) but I told them all about the difficult starting and the parts fella took it to their warranty manager, to no avail.

Take your car to another dealer...

 

[Richptl]

I parked outside last night to do another cold start test. The coolant sensor read 0 C (32 F) and VCDS reported about a 2.5 second pre-glow which matched the duration I saw for the glow plug indicator light. Car fired right off but stumbled a bit for about 10 seconds. I still have the "C" control module. I did not recheck voltages but I still expect that there is 9.5 volts for the pre-glow and 4.5 for the post glow as I saw a few weeks ago.

Just not very cold this winter to do a real good test.

Rich

 

[Richptl]

I would really appreciate it if someone out there could do a test with the 28T9 recall tune/NGK plugs/and "D" module and tell me what the pre-glow and post-glow voltage is. You will need to scratch the insulation on the wires leading to the glow plugs up by the module and then wrap with electrical tape. Maybe the "D" sends out a higher post glow voltage than "C"? I tend to think there will be no difference.

 

[GOLF/4/TDI]

I have an 05 Golf had the first recall done in 2010 and car would not start in weather temps below 0 F unless i reglowed plugs a 2nd time before attempting to start car. Got the recall for the recall and got all new reflash and new plugs again and car starts right up. was told the 2nd recall was longer glow time and better plugs steel. I learned about double glowing plugs from old ford diesel 7.3 van i always forgot to plug in overnight.

 

[Elliot]

Glowplugs issues for years

I have a constant glowplug service light PO674 in my 2003 jetta have had the glowplugs changed twice and the wiring once, always after 3-4 months it returns.
No problem in starting in cold or hot but fault may come up while driving or when first starting as it sees fit. I use my ScanGauge II unit to turn it off within 1-2 days it returns sometimes the same day. any Ideas?
I guess the 2003 wasn't included in any recall.

 

[PapaBare]

We have 198,000 Km on our 2005 Jetta TDI wagon. I did a resistance test on the original Bosch Glow Plugs (0250302002 7V) and they are all 1.9 Ohms. I actually pulled one out to see the color of the ceramic and to check the part number.
We use these a lot during the winter and have not had a problem with them.

An NO, I will not let the local stealer touch our car! The last time they did (not) do repair work on it, I caught them charging for parts that were not installed.

Keep the good information flowing!

 

[PDJetta]

I still have the original Bosch ceramics too, or almost. I had one of the GPs fail at 12,000 miles and under warranty the dealer replaced all four (took them over a month to get it right, first they installed a plug for an ALH engine and it went downhill from there). Anyway, the '04 BEW has 150,000 miles on it now. I did get a CEL 4,000 miles ago for one of the GPs and I got ready to install one of my new N105 916 01 ceramics, but they all tested good and had the same resistance. I reinstalled the GP harness and the CEL and code has not returned.

--Nate

 

[turbocharged798]

We have 198,000 Km on our 2005 Jetta TDI wagon. I did a resistance test on the original Bosch Glow Plugs (0250302002 7V) and they are all 1.9 Ohms. I actually pulled one out to see the color of the ceramic and to check the part number.
We use these a lot during the winter and have not had a problem with them.

An NO, I will not let the local stealer touch our car! The last time they did (not) do repair work on it, I caught them charging for parts that were not installed.

Keep the good information flowing!

They are great until a tip breaks off and completely destroys the engine......

 

[shuswap]

I found one tip missing pieces and apparently the engine/turbo has suffered no ill effects....go figure?

 

[QuickWrite]

Just wanted to followup and say that I got the 24p9/p5 recall done on my wagon at Lasher Downtown VW in Sacramento, Calif. about three weeks ago. This is the recall that involves an ECU reflash only, no new glow plugs. It went fine, I was happy with the service, they had my car back to me in about four hour with no drama. The car has been running fine. Some have reported that they think their TDI feels faster after this reflash. Mine doesn't. If anything, it feels a bit slower. But I can say that it also feels noticeably smoother. In fact, it feels like I'm running a mild biodiesel blend, even though I haven't been lately.