My first 1500 miles

Hawk60

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After lurking on this site for about a month and spending endless hours reading discussions between Passats vs Jetta, Manual vs DSG, Hybrid vs Diesel, types of diesels, Cetanes, tubo lag, engine lug, engine break in, and the all important HPFP problems, I finally decided to pull the trigger and get a Passat TDI. I traded in my Toyota SUV which I liked but it seems to like the gas pump way too much.

Looking online there were very few Passats available within 200 miles of me. Luckily the dealer closest to me had one TDI Passat available in their inventory. However, when I got to the dealership a trucked pulled into their parking lot with 5 Passat TDIs. It was awesome because I had first pick and went with the Midnight Blue cornsilk interior. Looks awesome BTW. The dealership gave me a very good price for my Toyota and even knocked $800 of MSRP. From what I was gathering dealers had no problems getting MSRP for these beauties.

Since I've gotten a lot of good information from this forum I figure I'll chip in a little. I'll share my experience and hopefully this would help someone else out. Following are the things that I've done and have noticed. Please feel free to chip in with any suggestions/corrections as this is my first VW and my first Diesel.

1. I'm following Drivbiwire's breakin instructions to the tee almost. I drive it on Sport 90% of the time. It's a lot more fun as the DSG doesnt want to change gear until around 3000 RPM. I will drive it on D when the engine is still cold as I don't want the RPM revving to high. After warm up then it's to S mode.

2. My drive way is on a slight slope, maybe 3 degrees. Enough to make the car roll back a bit when you put it in park. It made me nervous the first time as I thought I didn't put it in park properly. So to avoid the roll after putting it in park I just use the Parking break.

3. My first fuel stop was at a truck stop off the highway. I felt kinda weird pulling up to the pumps with all the 18 wheelers. However I didn't want to show that this was my first time buying diesel so I tried to be as cool as I can. This went down the drain as the diesel nozzle did not fit into the fuel tank. The diesel nozzle was the exact same size as the opening to my fuel tank. I had no clue what was going on and spent 10 minutes confirming that the pump was in fact Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel. I must have checked at least a dozen times. So after confirming that it was the right one I just lined up the fuel hose to the opening of the tank and putting very light pressure on the pump so diesel slowly trickled into my tank. I was told later that truck stop nozzles sometimes are bigger so the Riggs can fill up their tanks quicker. Makes sense but I was just going nuts with images of my car going up in flames.

4. So after filling up the average for my first tank was 38.7. Not as good as most other people, but I think I drive it fairly aggressively. I don't abuse it, but I do make the engine work for it's money. I'll be more concerned about MPG after the first 5000 miles.

5. The car handles pretty nicely around corners. I've taken some at a pretty good clip and was surprised at how it handled itself.

6. Trunk space is amazing, I even like the velcro blocks that hold your cargo still.

7. Ride is really smooth and quiet. Can barely hear the engine when you're inside the car.

8. For some reason birds constantly crap on this car. It seems like every day I have to clean it off. My friend gave me some advice when cleaning bird crap off your car, don't wipe cause the bird crap can sometimes have twigs which can scrape your paint. Just wet and dab.

9. I usually don't buy warranties, but since this was my first VW and Diesel car I ended up getting the warranty. The dealer offered me one for $1400 which covers 8 yrs or 100K bumper to bumper, excluding wear and tear of course. When comparing to the other warranties posted here it was a really great deal. Now I'm concerned because it seemed like too good of a deal. The company that the dealership used was Interstate Star Auto. Anyone with experience with this company or thoughts on what I just bought.

Well, I really like this car. The only thing that would make it perfect would be an indash GPS unit. I've read some bad things about the RNS 510 and the unit itself would cost 1750 without installation charges. Was thinking of going with an after market Kenwood because there was thread which someone recommended one that was built for Passat. However that was a European unit and did not have US maps. Does anyone have recommendations? Maybe I should just save myself 1000-1500 and buy a portable unit.

Well sorry for the long post but hopefully it was informative for someone out there.

 

Niner

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I'd worry more about breaking the HPFP in properly than the Drivbiwire method, which with modern engine honing techniques, is outdated. Laser honed engine blocks have the rings seated in the test bed. It's so obvious this is currently so, your oil will still be clean at 800 to 1000 miles, hardly blackened at all.

Leave it in Drive, the turbo on this motor runs so much boost, 2.5 bars absolute, about 22 psi at lower rpms than ever before that your rings will be seated with even the smallest stab into the throttle to get the car moving in city traffic. Even at 1400 to 1500, this motor pulls like a tractor and it's on boost almost instantly.

I don't get so much bird poop as I do yellow insect poop, mine is a bug poop magnet.
 

jbright

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You're going to get crappy fuel economy driving in Sport. You used the high flow pump at the truck stop. You want a lower flow pump that's made for cars and smaller trucks -- those nozzles fit. And don't worry about diesel fuel blowing up like gas -- it won't. I keep wet wipes in the trunk for bird ****.
 
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Hawk60

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Thanks Niner for the info and you're probably right. The manual does have a directions for breaking in the engine though. However their break in process is very brief. Personally I like driving in Sport cause it's a lot of fun. I've had my share of speeding tickets. I will probably drive more in D now.
 

APT

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Welcome and congratulations! Thanks for sharing your first experiences and thoughts.

I picked up a same color combo yesterday! I drove 285 mile to get it, a nice day trip with my brother.
 

RebelTDI

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How do you break in the HPFP?
I think he may have been referring to the fact that many here like to add 1 qt good quality 100% BD to each tank at each fill up, or use a good additive like Stanadyne or Optilube. This will optimize lubrication of the HPFP.

From the comments posted here about the in dash GPS, I think you are better off buying your own. I got a TomTom for $129 that has lifetime map udates, real time traffic updates, tells you the speed limit of the road you're on, and re-directs around traffic back ups. Enjoy your new car.
 

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Welcome!

Can you update your profile to include the Level (SE, SEL, SEL Premium)? This will make it easier to figure out which features/options you have when you post questions in the future. :)
 

Niner

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How do you break in the HPFP?

Follow VW's recommended instructions in the owners manual, and most importantly, follow Bosch's instructions which recommends a very low wear scar rating fuel for run in of the new HPFP with a couple of tanks of fuel with a wear scar rating well under 400 micron wear scar, 300 would be better. Google it.

Myself, I'd run the 1st 50 gallons of fuel at a B2 blend, right off the dealers lot, to meet those suggestions. Add a quart of B99 or B100 before you drive off the lot with your new car. Do that every time you add another 12 or more gallons of fuel during a fill up, for 50 gallons worth, and you should be good. I carry a 40 oz bottle of Arizona Iced Tea that I've washed out and dried thoroughly ahead of time up to the top line below the neck, which is about a qts worth of Biodiesel. I try to add that to a fillup of around 12 gallons, give or take a gallon either way, around 500 miles if you drive a DSG, around 550 or more if you drive a 6MT. Around 2000 miles of run it, give or take, should do it. You'll need a gallon of biodiesel to do this, pure B100 or B99.
 
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verylongdrive

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Will PowerService provide sufficient lubrication?
There's no Stanadyne or OptLube locally available, as far as I can find.
 

verylongdrive

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Will PowerService provide sufficient lubrication?
There's no Stanadyne or OptLube locally available, as far as I can find.
 

tdiatlast

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OptiLube XPD is internet ordered. They process orders very quickly...a few days, max, delivered to your door.
 

verylongdrive

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OK, done ordered.
Now, our new 2012 is on its first (full?) tank, with somewhat less than a full double dose of Powerservice.
Is there any problem with mixing (or overdosing) additives such that I need to wait until that tank is mostly used up before adding the OptiLube? Or can I just top it off and add a full does of Optilube as soon as it gets here?
 

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Mixing additives a problem? Unknown. I'd let the tank run down below 1/4, then add whatever additive you choose (I like the XPD) and fill it up.
 

Niner

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OK, done ordered.
Now, our new 2012 is on its first (full?) tank, with somewhat less than a full double dose of Powerservice.
Is there any problem with mixing (or overdosing) additives such that I need to wait until that tank is mostly used up before adding the OptiLube? Or can I just top it off and add a full does of Optilube as soon as it gets here?
if you can find it, add some optilube xpd or a qt of b100 biodiesel, or 1.25 gallons of B20 ASAP, no worries about adding it to the tank you have now. That HPFP runs a ton of fuel in it's recirculation process, keeping the pump cool with fuel, so it's self mixing.

If you have no lube in that first tank of fuel, I'd keep the rpm's low for the HPFP's sake, until you do get some lube in the tank and it gets throroughly mixed in. But that is just me...
 

JARED_LA

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if you can find it, add some optilube xpd or a qt of b100 biodiesel, or 1.25 gallons of B20 ASAP, no worries about adding it to the tank you have now. That HPFP runs a ton of fuel in it's recirculation process, keeping the pump cool with fuel, so it's self mixing.

If you have no lube in that first tank of fuel, I'd keep the rpm's low for the HPFP's sake, until you do get some lube in the tank and it gets throroughly mixed in. But that is just me...

Niner:
Would you recommend to continue with Optilube xpd after the first 2000 miles? Should be getting my TDI SEL next month.
 

Niner

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I'd recommend you read up on diesel fuel, lubricity, and HPFP failures here on TDIclub, then form your own opinion. Right now, no one knows about the longevity of the HPFP on the CKRA motor in the 2012 passat. What we do know is what has and is happening on 2009 -2012 JSW, Jetta and Golf TDI's with their HPFP. They can fail, most believe, since so many have failed with owners running no lubricity, that the fuel is part of the problem.

Myself... yeah, a pinch of Optilube treatment every tank seems like good preventative maintenance until we know more about the 2012 passat and HPFP failures, or lack thereof. But thats just me... read up, educate yourself, be aware of the risks and the symptoms, and enjoy, after you reach your own conclusion. You may already live in a state that requires B2, B5, B anything at or slightly over 1%, which does the job just fine.
 

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Niner, so you believe running B5 would be sufficient instead of a fuel additive until "we" know more about the CKRA?
 

Niner

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Niner, so you believe running B5 would be sufficient instead of a fuel additive until "we" know more about the CKRA?
From my research, most will tell you that according to the Spicer report, 1% biodiesel will drop the wear scar of even the most raw untreated D2 fuel down below a 400 micron wear scar figure, so anything at or above B1, up to B5 should be sufficient. Again, this is based on what I've read. YMMV, do your research and form your own opinion based on what is out there.
 
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