Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel Truck now CJ-4

[Bob_Fout]

Dhdenny noticed TDT is now CJ-4 on Mobil's website.

http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Oils/Mobil_1_Turbo_Diesel_Truck_5W-40.aspx

I'll compare it with D1 ESP and see if they're the same.

/EDIT: As of today the data sheet is still the CI-4+ oil.

 

[dhdenney]

Since this is such a new development, I would say we'll see an updated data sheet soon. Fine print at the bottom of the page reads [SIZE=-2]"Please check the bottle labels when buying Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel Truck 5W-40 as inventory transitions to the new CJ-4 formulation." [/SIZE]This might explain why shelves are empty. [SIZE=-2]


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[wjdell]

Its good news - when will Shell get off their pod and give a syn 5W40 CJ4.
Wally world will have this oil, at 27 a gallon no shipping. May make a wise choice for many. 7.25 a quart not to bad.

 

[Chuckdaddy]

Was at Wally Mart the other day to stock up on oils for all my vehicles,
notice Shell 15-40 was CJ-4, but Rotella 5-40 was not, still CI-4, even though it was in new style dual handle gallon containers.

 

[wjdell]

Really they updated the container for CI4 - I wonder what in the hellen they are up to. Must be cause they do not feel CJ is neccessary in a full synproduct in NA. They already have the complete Helix line in Europe.

Write shell and you will get a pleasant response - write Mobil and you get the feeling they are a bunch of snobs. I like Shell better than Mobil as a company. In the 80's when I looked for a certain EURO oil they could not get it but a rep called me and said to use Aero Shell 15W50 for racing. Very high in ash but not important in the short life of a race engine.

Here is what I wrote to Mobil

To Whom

With the new model year close the need for Mobil 1 ESP 5W30 has grown.This new oil will be the one oil fits all for Vw and Audi. Total has made their Quartz INEO 504/507 available through Fina all over America. Many VW owners would prefer to use oil made by Mobil a US based company. When will Mobil make ESP 5W30 available to NA.


Here is the response

Thank you for your inquiry

The question, in my view, is what VW spec are we trying to meet. One that comes up often is VW 501.01 for which there is no US product at this time. The VW specs for the product in question,

Mobil 1 ESP Formula 5W-30, are posted on the PDS
Volkswagen (Gasoline / Diesel) 504.00 / 507.00
Volkswagen (Gasoline) 502 00 / 503 00 / 503 01
Volkswagen (Diesel) 505 00 / 506 00 / 506.01

All VW engines with the exception of Unit-Injector / Pump-Duse TDI without Longlife Service and without DPF between 1999-2003 and R5/V10-TDi before model year 2006
-Matt �


Now you tell me - what kind of respnse is that - and on line a person in the ask Mobil ask if we will get ESP 5W30 and if not why and the response is

We sell ESP 5W40 to MB only.

 

[Bob_Fout]

Really they updated the container for CI4

Both the old (blue) and new style (has more white and curved handle) containers have CI-4+ Rotella T. It's hard to tell Rotella T 15w40 from 5w40 now based on color alone.

I've seen some OLD OLD Rotella T that's still only CI-4

 

[wjdell]

There are two QS 507 oils but not for the end user. Quaker State ----- Have you ever been shocked by wire, now you know the power is off but when you reach down to get that wire there is still that moment of hesitation. Well when I was young QS was very shocking and I still dont want to touch it. For those who believe that QS is the same as Helix Ultra Extra - its not. There is also a Helix Diesel Ultra Extra but in dutch.

 

[Blue_Hen_TDI]

Yep, this pretty much explains why you don't see TDT at Wal-Mart lately. I guess they're letting it sell off so they can get the new stuff on shelves. Auto Zone is the stopgap for now (they still have the 1Q TDT bottles for $6.50), or just get some Delvac ESP from a truckstop.

 

[Dick_Larimore]

Delvac

I purchased 4 one gallon jugs of Delvac 1 5w-40 ESP from AV Lubricants a few weeks ago. They are labeled with CJ-4. The AV website shows that Delvac meets CJ-4.

 

[dhdenney]

There are two QS 507 oils but not for the end user. Quaker State ----- Have you ever been shocked by wire, now you know the power is off but when you reach down to get that wire there is still that moment of hesitation. Well when I was young QS was very shocking and I still dont want to touch it. For those who believe that QS is the same as Helix Ultra Extra - its not. There is also a Helix Diesel Ultra Extra but in dutch.

Curious as to your experience with QS?

 

[wjdell]

Gelling in the heat - excessive buildup, even with short intervals.

I used Kendall GT1 - Shell - Sunoco - Union 76 - all with no problems. But Sohio and Quakerstate were not good back then. IMO

 

[Dave_D]

The TDT I purchased on the 12th at my local WalMart is still the CI-4 Plus rated oil.

 

[dhdenney]

The TDT I purchased on the 12th at my local WalMart is still the CI-4 Plus rated oil.

I imagine that's the last of it disappearing.

 

[TornadoRed]

For those who believe that QS is the same as Helix Ultra Extra - its not. There is also a Helix Diesel Ultra Extra but in dutch.

But it is still a Shell product.

 

[VATechTDI]

So, does this mean the oil has changed or did they just get a new certification that lets them upgrade the packaging?

 

[Bob_Fout]

So, does this mean the oil has changed or did they just get a new certification that lets them upgrade the packaging?

CJ-4 is different than CI-4+. Lower ash, among many other things.


http://www.lubrizol.com/cj-4/faq.asp

 

[Blue_Hen_TDI]

Bob,

Checking Mobil's site, they do list the differences between Delvac/TDT and Delvac ESP:

Typical Properties

Mobil Delvac 1 5W-40

SAE Grade 5W-40
Viscosity, ASTM D 445
cSt @ 40ºC 102
cSt @ 100ºC 14.8
Viscosity Index, ASTM D 2270 151
Sulfated Ash, wt%, ASTM D 874 1.35
Total Base #, mg KOH/g, ASTM D 2896 12
Pour Point, ºC, ASTM D 97 -45
Flash Point, ºC, ASTM D 92 226
Density @ 15ºC kg/l, ASTM D 4052 0.854

Typical Properties

Mobil Delvac 1 ESP 5W-40

SAE Grade 5W-40
Viscosity, ASTM D 445
cSt @ 40ºC 98
cSt @ 100ºC 14.7
Viscosity Index, ASTM D 2270 156
Sulfated Ash, wt%, ASTM D 874 1.0
Total Base #, mg KOH/g, ASTM D 2896 10.1
Pour Point, ºC, ASTM D 97-48
Flash Point, ºC, ASTM D 92 249
Density @ 15ºC kg/l, ASTM D 4052 0.85

In summary, Delvac ESP is a lighter, less viscous, lower ash, and lower TBN product.

 

[VATechTDI]

CJ-4 is different than CI-4+. Lower ash, among many other things.


http://www.lubrizol.com/cj-4/faq.asp

Yeah, I understand that. I guess I just meant is it a case of the oil already met CJ-4 but hadn't been certified as such yet, and is now just being repackaged showing the new certification. I'll assume this is not the case.

 

[Bob_Fout]

Bob,

Checking Mobil's site, they do list the differences between Delvac/TDT and Delvac ESP:

Typical Properties

Mobil Delvac 1 5W-40

SAE Grade 5W-40
Viscosity, ASTM D 445
cSt @ 40ºC 102
cSt @ 100ºC 14.8
Viscosity Index, ASTM D 2270 151
Sulfated Ash, wt%, ASTM D 874 1.35
Total Base #, mg KOH/g, ASTM D 2896 12
Pour Point, ºC, ASTM D 97 -45
Flash Point, ºC, ASTM D 92 226
Density @ 15ºC kg/l, ASTM D 4052 0.854

Typical Properties

Mobil Delvac 1 ESP 5W-40

SAE Grade 5W-40
Viscosity, ASTM D 445
cSt @ 40ºC 98
cSt @ 100ºC 14.7
Viscosity Index, ASTM D 2270 156
Sulfated Ash, wt%, ASTM D 874 1.0
Total Base #, mg KOH/g, ASTM D 2896 10.1
Pour Point, ºC, ASTM D 97-48
Flash Point, ºC, ASTM D 92 249
Density @ 15ºC kg/l, ASTM D 4052 0.85

In summary, Delvac ESP is a lighter, less viscous, lower ash, and lower TBN product.

Of course they do, with that data, one is CJ-4 and one is CI-4+. The D1/TDT data has not been updated yet for CJ-4.

 

[Blue_Hen_TDI]

The D1/TDT data has not been updated yet for CJ-4.

Isn't the word on the street that ESP is superceding TDT, thus the ESP properties are the "new" TDT properties?

 

[Bob_Fout]

Isn't the word on the street that ESP is superceding TDT, thus the ESP properties are the "new" TDT properties?

I suspect just like in the past, when D1 and TDT were the same products for different markets, D1 ESP and CJ-4 TDT will be labeled differently, but be the same product.

 

[dhdenney]

It makes sense from a production standpoint.

 

[lkchris]

ESP = emissions system protection

The lower ash is better for particulate filters

Don't know about the oil discussed, but I know two things about the Mercedes-dealer-only version one of my vehicles requires:

1. There's a sticker under the hood warning not to add any quantity of any other kind of oil

2. You can put your face up to an exhaust pipe with the motor running and not smell anything.

 

[Bob_Fout]

2003 and prior TDIs happily use VAG, API or ACEA oils of certain specs.

 

[dhdenney]

2. You can put your face up to an exhaust pipe with the motor running and not smell anything.

No thanks, I've had my fill of CO today.

 

[TornadoRed]

It makes sense from a production standpoint.

Mobil does not always do what makes sense from a production standpoint. Remember when they took the old T&SUV off the shelf, and their website said it would be back in three months? It was more than a year before anyone spotted the first new stuff in the TDT packaging, and it's never been easy to find.

 

[Bob_Fout]

Mobil does not always do what makes sense from a production standpoint. Remember when they took the old T&SUV off the shelf, and their website said it would be back in three months? It was more than a year before anyone spotted the first new stuff in the TDT packaging, and it's never been easy to find.

That's a regional problem, not many diesels in SoCal I assume

TDT is plentiful here in the mid-west. Wal-mart, autozone, advance auto, etc.

 

[dhdenney]

Mobil does not always do what makes sense from a production standpoint. Remember when they took the old T&SUV off the shelf, and their website said it would be back in three months? It was more than a year before anyone spotted the first new stuff in the TDT packaging, and it's never been easy to find.

Point taken.

 

[Bob_Fout]

I suspect just like in the past, when D1 and TDT were the same products for different markets, D1 ESP and CJ-4 TDT will be labeled differently, but be the same product.

Quoting myself again.

I got reply back from Mobil about if D1 ESP is the same as CJ-4 TDT:

"No, the formulations are different however performance and protection will be similar.

--
Thank you for choosing ExxonMobil products.
If you need further assistance, please contact ExxonMobil at 1-800-ASK-MOBIL"

I will call the 1-800 number for further info.

 

[wjdell]

I didn't think they would be - you have a source for Delvac. I whould think one would be more suited for soot.