Maybe if they take care of issues instead

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"European-made Volkswagens cost $3,000 to $4,000 more than American-made versions due to the lopsided exchange rate, said a frustrated Stefan Jacoby, chief executive of Volkswagen of America.

In years past, the German maker might have simply used that as an excuse to ignore the needs of the American market."

-Uuh, what do you mean, "might have" ? I think if you quickly check the variety of models and options available in the home market vs. what is available here in N.A., VW has very much ignored consumer preferences here. And furthermore, it is not something that slipped between the cracks. This is euro-snobbery in all its ugliness.

Personally, I think VW needs to figure out how to get the various platforms off their high-fat diets. With every successive generation, each chassis gets larger and heavier. Why don't they keep the same parameters so that a chassis stays in the class it is born into? Want bigger, more room? Move up to the next model.

Oh, well, just my preference. And my opinion doesn't matter to VWAG (or their subsidiaries, by default). I am, after all, a Citizen of the United States of America.
 

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Powder Hound said:
Personally, I think VW needs to figure out how to get the various platforms off their high-fat diets. With every successive generation, each chassis gets larger and heavier. Why don't they keep the same parameters so that a chassis stays in the class it is born into? Want bigger, more room? Move up to the next model.
I must say that although I don't like the look of the B6 Passat, I really like the interior. I like the CC also, but I don't think I could drive a sissy (cc) mobile. I guess I'm more of a TT man;)


I think reliability concerns and customer satisfaction is what is killing them in the U.S. market. They must have better training and customer service in Europe.
 

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In years past, the German maker might have simply used that as an excuse to ignore the needs of the American market.
Hey, they made the 2.5 engine specifically for the American market.
You can't buy a 2.5 VW in Europe. Or a Golf/Jetta with a conventional slushbox.

I think the 2.5 isn't quite going far enough. They should do a pushrod engine.
 

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German_1er_diesel said:
Hey, they made the 2.5 engine specifically for the American market.
You can't buy a 2.5 VW in Europe. Or a Golf/Jetta with a conventional slushbox.

I think the 2.5 isn't quite going far enough. They should do a pushrod engine.
Lol *tips hat to you Sir*

I want a 1-series diesel from BMW :eek:
 

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Well, in fairness, the dollar has tanked against the Euro. In the not too distant past, a Euro was worth only .83 US cents; as of the end of the last week, a Euro was worth almost $1.50 US. How did that happen? The rules of the forum probably prohibit my answering of that question.

So, if you want to buy something in Europe and your currency is trending toward worthless, you could have a problem --- affording your perspective purchase with the change in your pocket. Just a thought. :D

http://www.cnbc.com/id/15839178 Uh oh, now (as of time of posting) a Euro is worth a tad over $1.50.
 
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thebigarniedog said:
... How did that happen? ...
I'd say not everyone thinks borrowing a trillion dollars in just the first year is a good idea.

Wow, did I ever undershoot that. The real number is more like 1.4 trillion bucks in the red.
 
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The members of this fine board are a minority of US auto drivers. The majority of 'Merican drivers still think that bigger is better. I think VW is catering to the American market. If that's euro snobbery....
It's not up to VW to change Americans tastes and preferences.

I agree with you in that it would be nice to have more of a diesel choice. Then preferences might change, but what manufacturer could afford that?



Powder Hound said:
-Uuh, what do you mean, "might have" ? I think if you quickly check the variety of models and options available in the home market vs. what is available here in N.A., VW has very much ignored consumer preferences here.
 

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Eurosnobbery is saying you can have this one engine, but all the rest of these that we sell in europe you can't have. And we don't respect you enough to even say why, because you won't like hearing that we think y'all are too dumb to know what to do with them.

How is it a financial hardship not to supply an engine you are already producing?
 

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Powder Hound said:
How is it a financial hardship not to supply an engine you are already producing?
Certifying an engine for US sales is magnitudes more expensive for some reason than in most other parts of the world. Therefore all car brands, not just European ones, offer extremely little choice in the drivetrain department in America.
 

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Powder Hound said:
In years past, the German maker might have simply used that as an excuse to ignore the needs of the American market."

-Uuh, what do you mean, "might have" ? I think if you quickly check the variety of models and options available in the home market vs. what is available here in N.A., VW has very much ignored consumer preferences here. And furthermore, it is not something that slipped between the cracks. This is euro-snobbery in all its ugliness.
Don't be so sure...

First off, It's hard to make an argument that VW's North American lineup is bad as a result of neglect...I think it's quite the opposite. Well, except the part about the bad lineup...I'll grant you that that's definitely true. But if anything it's bad because they're trying too hard to please the average buyer in a market that still thinks leaf springs and pushrod engines belong on the road rather than in a museum. Hence the dumbed-down product line, the bizarre insistence upon a 2.5L straight-5 as the workhorse gasser engine (no replacement for displacement, no matter how impractical, right?), the badge-engineering of a Chrysler van, and their fear of bringing over anything too small (Polo) or too many diesels.

So yes, they're ignoring the preferences of a buyer likely to be reading this forum, but I just don't see where the "Euro-snob" stuff fits into this argument...they're not ignoring American tastes in any general sense. In fact, they're obsessed with pandering to them. They've chosen to aim to please a much larger segment of the American car-buying public: People who want a minimum of 35 cupholders in a 4-seater, and who really like playing those old racing arcade games where you can spin the wheel freely with no feedback and wish that experience could translate to a real car. In other words, not enthusiast drivers but rather people who think of a car like they think of a washing machine or a fridge.

The lineup is uninspiring and limited compared to the home-market lineup because they're looking at the cars that do well in this market, and trying to adapt to that. If they wanted to ignore those observations and bring over all the cool stuff we don't currently get, I'd be thrilled, and so would many other people with a certain set of preferences, but we're a minority. I'd love to see it happen, but that would require them to pay less attention to the overall preferences of the market, not more.

In short, while I share your frustration, you ought to be careful what you wish for, particularly as VW stands poised to grab a bigger slice of the American market by trying to out-Toyota Toyota with the least exciting cars yet. You can't, for instance, ask VW to cater to the North American market while making the cars smaller and lighter. It just doesn't work that way...in this market, bigger is always better, and the more toys you can cram in (and thus the heavier the car gets) the more appealing it becomes.
 

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Diesel_Mikey said:
they're not ignoring American tastes in any general sense. In fact, they're obsessed with pandering to them.
Exactly. Why else would they have an America-only slushbox in the gasser Jetta with the America-only 2.5L engine, with an America-only artificial leather interior.
Artificial leather. Try selling that in Europe. How is it better than cloth, if you don't need to clean your car with a hose?
 

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German_1er_diesel said:
Exactly. Why else would they have an America-only slushbox in the gasser Jetta with the America-only 2.5L engine, with an America-only artificial leather interior.
Artificial leather. Try selling that in Europe. How is it better than cloth, if you don't need to clean your car with a hose?
I don't like leather or wannabe leather interiors. Cloth seats for me, please! :D

Sounds more and more like I just need to up and move to Europe to get the car I want...
 

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Steve-o said:
Alcantara. It's all over some of Europe's best cars.
Sure, but is Alcantara artificial leather? I always considered it something else entirely. It's standard on m-sport 3-series models and is available in lots of VWs and Audis. Oh, and standard in the 3-door Civic hatchback.
 

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German_1er_diesel said:
Sure, but is Alcantara artificial leather? I always considered it something else entirely.
It's (best I can tell from a purposely-vague Web site) artificial suede. Suede is leather. So Europeans will buy leather-like synthetic interiors.
 

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I don't think that people want to buy larger cars all the time.
Its just hard to find a well made small car, that will be safe and
have good preformance so you don't have the pickup license plate
the only thing you see in the rear view mirror.

Mini got it right.
The Mini and now the Clubman with more room.
 
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