Massive MPG hit of -10 mpg

romad

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May 27, 2011
Location
Prescott, AZ
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2005 Jetta GLS Wagon "Cranberry"
I don't know if it is due to my new elevation here in Prescott, AZ or to the non-CARB Diesel I now have to use.
 

Andyinchville1

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Apr 7, 2016
Location
Virginia
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2003 Jetta TDI wagon, 5 sp, 226K miles
Hi

I have heard of number 1 and number 2 diesel , bio Diesel , red diesel, black diesel, off road diesel, premium diesel and even some sort of diesel with water emulsion in it but what is CARB Diesel? (sounds like good stuff if regular diesel lops off 10 MPG (of course elevation could be it too in part etc..).

Thanks

Andrew
 

hskrdu

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Oct 17, 2003
Location
Maryland and New England
TDI
2003 Golf GLS 4D 5M, 2015 GSW SE 6M
Diesel in CA must meet the California Air Resources Board specs, which differs from many other states. There also seems to be more high cetane diesel available in CA, which can offer higher FE for many owners.
 

Andyinchville1

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Apr 7, 2016
Location
Virginia
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2003 Jetta TDI wagon, 5 sp, 226K miles
HI,

FWIW , the other day (well 2 days in a row actually) I bought diesel from a gas station that advertised using 47 Cetane Diesel fuel .... This was up from my typical 40 Cetane Diesel fuel (or 40 Cetane fuel with up to 5% bi diesel at Cost Co).

Anyways, My MPG did not make noticeable changes (I'll post them in my fuelly later when I get time).

So unless , the extra 3 points of Cetane makes a big difference, my guess the OP lost 10 MPG mainly from other reasons (since I did not gain significant MPG when going to a higher cetane value (I did add 1 OZ of Power Service gray bottle / 1 OZ TC3 2 stroke per gallon also) BUT there may be other things in CARB diesel beyond extra Cetane that could help MPGs?

Andrew
 

CantWrite

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Jun 8, 2021
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Placerville CO
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2005 Passat Wagon (BHW/5-spd conv, 03T). I keep in touch with the (2) ALH's I sold.
I live at 7500' elevation, routinely drive over 9000' on my 100-mile round trip commute, and often over 10k'.

I use opti-lube summer and winter in their respective seasons to their minimum dosage. I tried doubling the dose only waste money. I notice a 1.5-2 mpg gain using the additives.

I put 70K on a 2002 NB, S7, PP520's, and perfectly timed/modified by Anut at Dieselland. (347K when I sold it) It routinely returned 48 mpg winter and 52 mpg summer. This is driving without concern for mileage, passing when I wanted, using the AC, etc.

I put 50K on a 2003 Jetta Wagon, completely stock with 277K on original clutch, injectors, etc. Routinely returned 48 mpg summer and 45 winter with skybox mounted on top in the winter to hold skis. Again, driving without care for mpg. I timed this one which could be the problem.

I am "from" South Dakota, and when I drove those cars back there (~1300' elev.) I did not notice a jump in mpg at all. What I did notice is that my glow-plugs would only cycle just a few seconds even on a cold engine and the thing would fire right up. Much longer glow up here in CO.

I buy my diesel at City Market/King Soopers, as I like the $1.00/gallon savings on 35 gallons and we all have to eat! I read about it, but cannot remember their cetane rating, but I believe they just get the leftovers of the local supplier without a proprietary blend of additives.

Sorry for your huge hit in MPG. I do not think elevation is to blame, although I am one of the more dull knives.
 

romad

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May 27, 2011
Location
Prescott, AZ
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2005 Jetta GLS Wagon "Cranberry"
An update: since my initial post, my mpg has regained about 6 - 7 mpg so maybe it was the ECU adjusting due to the higher altitude & lower cetane fuel.
 

Andyinchville1

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Virginia
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2003 Jetta TDI wagon, 5 sp, 226K miles
An update: since my initial post, my mpg has regained about 6 - 7 mpg so maybe it was the ECU adjusting due to the higher altitude & lower cetane fuel.
Glad it went back up for you ....

I wonder if our ECUs are smart like that (adaptive learning) ... I do know some car computers do look at driving styles, environment etc and can make adjustments etc .... I just wonder if it's in our cars too or maybe just some mechanical thing got unstuck and mpgs went back up ?

Maybe better brains than mine can shed light on that ?

OTH now that I am thinking about it maybe it was a pending code or code was thrown somehow (not all codes trip the check engine light) and somehow after many key on key off cycles the computer just reset and eliminated the codes restoring whatever it was that was wrong (not necessarily a smart computer / ecu but maybe just cutting power reset things to "normal" ?

Andrew
 

DonL

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Sep 21, 2010
Location
Kingman, Arizona
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2005 Jetta wagon
I am in Kingman (3,500' elevation) and I do not see any altitude change in mpgs as I go uphill to Flagstaff or elsewhere. Nor do I notice a change when I go downhill. I use about 6 oz of Powerservice in the gray bottle at each fill up.
 

Abacus

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Nov 10, 2007
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Relocated from Maine to Dewey, AZ
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Only the B4V left
The altitude won’t affect anything until it’s much higher than that. I’m at 5,000’ and coming from sea level haven’t noticed a difference. If memory serves, once you approach 10k it’ll have an effect.
 

romad

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May 27, 2011
Location
Prescott, AZ
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2005 Jetta GLS Wagon "Cranberry"
Well, the car was used to 100' elevation and 50+ cetane fuel then went overnight to 5300' and 40 cetane fuel (it was brought on an U-Haul transporter, not driven). I had filled the tank with CARB Diesel so the first 500+ miles in Prescott was on it. It was only when I filled the second time in Prescott that I noticed the large mileage hit. Weird anyway you look at it.
 
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