Making it last to 200K

[2whluge]

My 2011 JSW and I have had a good run through 92K miles. Assuming I will be keeping it after the dieselgate dust settles, what are the parts that need to be replaced going forward if I want to keep it to 200K?

I now commute 120 mi a day now, and I can't think of a better car to do it in. I figure I am money ahead by keeping this one and doing whatever maintenance it needs. Unless VW makes me an offer I can't refuse to buy it back

 

[redbarron55]

My 2009 JSW has 244,000 miles on it now and so far the DPF and DMF and A/C have failed.
Brakes as usual etc and regular routine maintenance.

 

[meerschm]

do the required maintenance, including a quality timing belt job with all the parts,

and other items if and when they fail. watch the brakes, but no need to change them early just for the heck of it.

you can update some of the suspension parts along the way, but not really required as long as handling stays as you like it.

 

[elcid86]

do the required maintenance, including a quality timing belt job with all the parts,

and other items if and when they fail. watch the brakes, but no need to change them early just for the heck of it.

you can update some of the suspension parts along the way, but not really required as long as handling stays as you like it.

When is the belt recommended?


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"ZHP is a garbage option anyway- just some cosmetic upgrades with a different cam and diff to claw back some of the performance lost fitting those hideous and heavy wheels. Any 330 with a 3.46 diff will smoke a ZHP every time. The whole Mafia thing reeks of childish behavior." - an e46f member

 

[dmarsingill]

When is the belt recommended?


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"ZHP is a garbage option anyway- just some cosmetic upgrades with a different cam and diff to claw back some of the performance lost fitting those hideous and heavy wheels. Any 330 with a 3.46 diff will smoke a ZHP every time. The whole Mafia thing reeks of childish behavior." - an e46f member

130000 miles.

Donald

 

[peobryant]

Like the others have said, general maintenance is all that should be needed unless something fails. There are plenty of cars with over 200K miles that have been trouble free, some people aren't that fortunate and have to replace things like HPFP (which is under warranty until 120K miles) DPF and DMF but I wouldn't exactly call them common repairs.

The timing belt for my car is due in 120K miles, it seems to have changed by 10K miles for the MKVI cars though. If you find a guru you can have it done for fairly cheap ($600-800 or so) and you'll know it was done properly unlike the dealers who are known to be relatively clueless when it comes to our TDI engines.

One thing to remember about forums is people generally sign up here and post when they have problems with their car which can make certain things (like the HPFP) seem a lot more problematic than they really are. Reading some posts here you'd think a Common Rail TDI is the most unreliable engine in the world and it'll eat your first born's soul, but many, many people have positive experiences with these engines and they make a damn fine daily driver.

As many say here on this forum, drive more, worry less.

Take care.

 

[2whluge]

Excuse my ignorance, but what are DPF and DMF?
I've had this car almost 5 years and lurk on this board, but the car has been so trouble-free, I haven't paid much attention to the negative stuff.
I'm hoping VW will come up with some cash to make up for the loss of value which I can use towards the maintenance, and maybe extend the warranty some more. I haven't seen another car that fits my needs better than this one.

 

[m4ttj00]

Excuse my ignorance, but what are DPF and DMF.

Diesel Particulate Filter
Dual Mass Flywheel

 

[redbarron55]

If it has a "D" and "F" in the name it is expensive! (and irritating)

 

[meerschm]

If you still have the owners manual, it is a good read,

if not maintenance schedules are posted here

http://pics.tdiclub.com/data/516/2011_All.pdf

 

[meerschm]

not that this will make it last, but if you want to know more, here are some light reading opportunities

http://www.natef.org/NATEF/media/NATEFMedia/VW Files/2-0-TDI-SSP.pdf

http://www.natef.org/NATEF/media/NATEFMedia/VW Files/DSG-SSP.pdf

 

[not2shabby]

My 2009 JSW has 244,000 miles on it now and so far the DPF and DMF and A/C have failed.
Brakes as usual etc and regular routine maintenance.

How many miles did you have when the DPF had to be replaced?
My 2010 has 148k now and seems to be doing regens more frequently.

 

[jekl843]

Like the others have said, general maintenance is all that should be needed unless something fails. There are plenty of cars with over 200K miles that have been trouble free, some people aren't that fortunate and have to replace things like HPFP (which is under warranty until 120K miles) DPF and DMF but I wouldn't exactly call them common repairs.

The timing belt for my car is due in 120K miles, it seems to have changed by 10K miles for the MKVI cars though. If you find a guru you can have it done for fairly cheap ($600-800 or so) and you'll know it was done properly unlike the dealers who are known to be relatively clueless when it comes to our TDI engines.

One thing to remember about forums is people generally sign up here and post when they have problems with their car which can make certain things (like the HPFP) seem a lot more problematic than they really are. Reading some posts here you'd think a Common Rail TDI is the most unreliable engine in the world and it'll eat your first born's soul, but many, many people have positive experiences with these engines and they make a damn fine daily driver.

As many say here on this forum, drive more, worry less.

Take care.

I burst out laughing at reading this... still chuckling writing this. Maybe first born's souls are the cause of the emissions, intercooler, hpfp, dmf, dpf issues?

 

[redbarron55]

How many miles did you have when the DPF had to be replaced?
My 2010 has 148k now and seems to be doing regens more frequently.

The DPF was around 180,000 as I remember, could have been 160,000 or so.
I actually replaced it with a .5 tune and a downpipe.
The DPF was cracked and the EGR filter was clogging and the JSW has dirty butt syndrome.

 

[meerschm]

How many miles did you have when the DPF had to be replaced?
My 2010 has 148k now and seems to be doing regens more frequently.

if you want to keep an eye on things, you can purchase and install a polar FIS + (PF03) and make a hobby of watching the cycles more accurately,
or use a scangauge or other obd dongle with a smart phone to watch exhaust temps. (the PF03, or a ross-tech device will let you see how the car keeps track of miles since regenertion, and the soot estimates which cause regeneration)

if the DPF does not crack, there is no reason it will not last for well over 200k miles before it needs any action whatsoever.

and if it does crack, it can be cheaper to repair than to do an illegal delete and tune.

 

[redbarron55]

if you want to keep an eye on things, you can purchase and install a polar FIS + (PF03) and make a hobby of watching the cycles more accurately,
or use a scangauge or other obd dongle with a smart phone to watch exhaust temps. (the PF03, or a ross-tech device will let you see how the car keeps track of miles since regenertion, and the soot estimates which cause regeneration)

if the DPF does not crack, there is no reason it will not last for well over 200k miles before it needs any action whatsoever.

and if it does crack, it can be cheaper to repair than to do an illegal delete and tune.

On a 2009 the DPF and CAT are one piece and the cost is pretty high.
I don't know of a repair for the cracked DPF other than replacing the whole thing and the $$$$ that goes along with it.
The tailpipe had been sooty for a long time ( basically since new).
Perhaps the EPA fix will install new CAT and DPF and it will be back in compliance.
Basically I think the 2009 system is poorly designed and very expensive to maintain. The 2010 would be cheaper to replace the DPF than the delete and tune.

 

[meerschm]

agreed.

advice was for the OP, who does not have a 2009.

costs have come down quite a bit. in the past year or so

always pays to look at options.

if someone has their heart set on a delete, that is one thing,

but a rational, what exactly is wrong with my car?, and what does it cost for options to get better?, needs a fresh look when it comes up.

following the path of another may or may not make sense for your car.

 

[2whluge]

I am hoping the VW fix includes replacing all these unusual parts and extending the warranty on them. And if they come up with some cash for lost value we can sock that away for other repairs. The only thing that would be better is if they make us an offer we can't refuse to take them back.

 

[frugality]

And if they come up with some cash for lost value we can sock that away for other repairs.

That's what the 'goodwill package' is all about.

The only thing that would be better is if they make us an offer we can't refuse to take them back.

I see it this way: If VW only offers us 'market value' for them, even if it is pre-scandal value, there isn't an incentive for me to sell. Whenever you sell a vehicle, you take a hit from the depreciation. If I do it voluntarily, it's my own choice. If VW says they want to buy it back, they're forcing that choice on me.

So to my thinking, a buy-back would have to be at a value higher than the assessed value. And/or, VW would buy back your TDI and offer you a good incentive to buy a new VW. That would actually work in VW's favor, enticing you to spend a bunch more money on a VW, as well as keeping up their sales numbers.

 

[smosh]

..... And/or, VW would buy back your TDI and offer you a good incentive to buy a new VW. That would actually work in VW's favor, enticing you to spend a bunch more money on a VW, as well as keeping up their sales numbers.

I'd totally be down with that. Totally. New GTI here we come!

 

[seth1065]

so if someone had no kids they are fine? Now you tell me

I burst out laughing at reading this... still chuckling writing this. Maybe first born's souls are the cause of the emissions, intercooler, hpfp, dmf, dpf issues?

 

[ATR]

I'd totally be down with that. Totally. New GTI here we come!

I'm also thinking the same thing

 

[turbobrick240]

I'm tempted to get a gti and put my tdi in storage until fuel prices go back up in a year or two.

 

[elcid86]

130000 miles.

Donald

Thanks! I'm still under 80k.


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"ZHP is a garbage option anyway- just some cosmetic upgrades with a different cam and diff to claw back some of the performance lost fitting those hideous and heavy wheels. Any 330 with a 3.46 diff will smoke a ZHP every time. The whole Mafia thing reeks of childish behavior." - an e46fanatic

 

[2whluge]

That's what the 'goodwill package' is all about.


I see it this way: If VW only offers us 'market value' for them, even if it is pre-scandal value, there isn't an incentive for me to sell. Whenever you sell a vehicle, you take a hit from the depreciation. If I do it voluntarily, it's my own choice. If VW says they want to buy it back, they're forcing that choice on me.

So to my thinking, a buy-back would have to be at a value higher than the assessed value. And/or, VW would buy back your TDI and offer you a good incentive to buy a new VW. That would actually work in VW's favor, enticing you to spend a bunch more money on a VW, as well as keeping up their sales numbers.

Well, the good will package is a nice start, and I have been using the magic white card for maintenance. But my car has lost more than $1K in value, so they should come up with something extra.

I do agree that it would be wise for VW to make us an extra special deal to keep us in the family. I think most of us here aren't angry with VW and we still have confidence in the product. But if they are cheap about it, it will be the last VW I ever have. So, if they want to continue selling cars here, they should start with their loyal customers first.