looking for best bank for buck VW diesel

rsperson

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I have a 2002 Jetta/MK4 TDI with over 360k miles. I would like to start looking for a slightly more modern Jetta Diesel to mod - not 1/4 mile but more very good handling and performance - but streetable. A good candidate for simple mods and not cost too much to start. ie: do I want a MK5 or MK6 or what. lots of mods don't fit my MK4 but cost is an issue so a very new car is out of the question.
thanks all and let the "discussion" begin
 

Lightflyer1

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Cost goes up dramatically with anything above a MKIV. Maybe a 2005 or 2006 PD Jetta. Some of the buyback cars can be had quite cheaply as well right now.
 

rsperson

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doing a little more thinking....

I have access to a potentially larger pool of cars. I do occasional driving for a car broker. Most of the things he gets are more of a flipper type car. He also gets things that need just a little more work. Dealer wholesale, auctions etc. The big thing is that cars that need bodywork often get skipped - too much time to profit from a flip. Most cars are decent values, need maybe brakes, tires, alignment and real good detailing. Anyway - cars that are a little outside a flippers easy flip radar are what I am looking for. I guess a MK6 with SOME body damage or a really clean MK5 with a little work needed are when I should look for. Thinking MAYBE 150hp mod - definitely NOT over 200hp. Suspension upgrades eventually. Just is there a model that I should be on the lookout for. I really want a Jetta.

I see many mods available for MK5 and newer - not so much for a MK4. Just really need an idea for how new to I need to go.
 

rsperson

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THANKS!!! thats EXACTLY the kind off info that I was looking for. I had friends with Diesel trucks and what was good and bad. Common rail was a good thing for them as well. Sounds like 2009+ for me. Now I can start reading about those cars.
 

Lightflyer1

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The other ones can do that as well. My 2006 Jetta was tuned to 150 hp +/-. The later cars already start with more HP to start with so getting a little more to 150 isn't hard. My 2015 Beetle came stock with 150 HP IIRC. Maybe all the 2015's, I am not sure. But the later models have much more complicated emissions systems on them that the pre common rail ones do. Of course deleting any of this stuff is illegal and has its own problems to deal with. You need to really read up before you decide what you can and can't do and then decide what you want to do. Read up in the power forum too. Lots of info in there.
 

NewTdi

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I have a 2002 Jetta/MK4 TDI with over 360k miles. I would like to start looking for a slightly more modern Jetta Diesel to mod - not 1/4 mile but more very good handling and performance - but streetable. A good candidate for simple mods and not cost too much to start. ie: do I want a MK5 or MK6 or what. lots of mods don't fit my MK4 but cost is an issue so a very new car is out of the question.
thanks all and let the "discussion" begin

what kind of performance goals are you trying to achieve? There are some amazing turbos now available and without breaking the bank 300hp should be attainable. It is best to start with a goal in mind in terms of performance.
 

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Someone correct me if i am wrong but i believe certain years of the mk6 tdi jetta have irs (independent rear suspension) which will handle better then a torsion beam rear. Then good set of coils sticky tires nt555 g2/ nt05 and upgraded sway bars should make the car handle extremely well for road course then tune and delete im not sure if anyone makes aftermarket injectors for a commonrail tdi
 

rsperson

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Seems like I can get a beat-up 2009-11 Jetta and get a little more crazy. Looks like 300hp is not out of the question. If I find a good enough deal, bigger turbo, injectors, a few pipes, probably a pump, clutch and a major tune. Repairable/salvage and put the money where it counts.

My existing toy will probably need to get parted out unless I can find a decent 2 rotor for it.
 
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turbocharged798

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I hope you have deep pockets because that's what is going to take to mod a CR to those power levels. Also if you live in a emission testing state and just forget about it as the DPF is a major obstacle. Its a shame because the base engine is really nice 16 valve monster but the crap its saddled with just ruins the package. And the HPFP they come with just grenades randomly and takes out the fuel system.

They also seem to produce a LOT less torque for some reason. An ALH with a VNT17 will me making close to 160hp/300ftlbs. I CR will need to make close to 250+HP to reach the same torque.
 

[486]

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Also if you live in a emission testing state and just forget about it as the DPF is a major obstacle.
I dunno, ain't bobby singh doing some unheard of things with tunes on DPF equipped cars? I remember a year back he was making waves with a V6 tdi that ran crystal clean
 

3turboz

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Someone correct me if i am wrong but i believe certain years of the mk6 tdi jetta have irs (independent rear suspension) which will handle better then a torsion beam rear. Then good set of coils sticky tires nt555 g2/ nt05 and upgraded sway bars should make the car handle extremely well for road course then tune and delete im not sure if anyone makes aftermarket injectors for a commonrail tdi
2014 got IRS in all Jettas, before that only came on GLI in North America. Pretty sure rear discs came late to the party as well. When I was looking at Jettas I was only looking at 2014-15 for that reason (IRS).

Of course the MK7 GSW guys will tell you that the torsion beam handles just fine. :D
 

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All Jetta TDIs from '99.5 have had rear disc brakes.
yup
sucks here in the salt states because they rust up solid real quick
then your handbrake doesn't do much holding until it decides to hold 'that one time' and you dump a tank of fuel into burning up a brake

where drums are pretty troublefree as far as rust is concerned, just gotta ignore the minor labyrinth seal noise you get when people are stupid enough to pull the drums "to check the condition of the linings"
 

IndigoBlueWagon

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If you maintain them they're fine. I clean and lubricate the slide pins annually, and actually haven't had much trouble with parking brake cables. Original calipers after 18 years and 410K miles. Can't complain.
 

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2014 got IRS in all Jettas, before that only came on GLI in North America. Pretty sure rear discs came late to the party as well. When I was looking at Jettas I was only looking at 2014-15 for that reason (IRS).
Of course the MK7 GSW guys will tell you that the torsion beam handles just fine. :D
Problem is the rear suspension setup is NOT the same. MK7 rear beam is more like a MkIV rear beam and can handle very well. The Mk6 is more like a Dodge Cara... Routan. You can figure out how that handles.

I have to check, but I though some base Mk6 TDIs with the beam also had drum brakes. Could be wrong. Couple years there where VW over did the cost cutting.

Jason
 

IndigoBlueWagon

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Last TDI in North America with rear drum brakes was the 1999 MKIII Jetta.

And I wouldn't choose a Jetta based on whether or not it has a rear beam or IRS. I've driven both pretty extensively and these are not sports cars in either form. In 95% of driving you'll not know the difference. I'd lean towards a 2015 more because of the refresh and stronger body for better offset collision protection and lower NVH. But if you found a great example that was a '13 or earlier I'd not hesitate to buy it.
 
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