Location of CAN Gateway Module on 2013 Jetta Sportwagen TDI?
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why are you looking for the location of it?
to answer your question though, it's under the dash.
move the drivers seat back, put the wheel in the highest / most forward(closest to driver) position, then lay in the footwell
while on your back, look above the accelerator / brake pedal. it will have a red connector. it is a royal pain in the ass to deal with
to answer your question though, it's under the dash.
move the drivers seat back, put the wheel in the highest / most forward(closest to driver) position, then lay in the footwell
while on your back, look above the accelerator / brake pedal. it will have a red connector. it is a royal pain in the ass to deal with
Well. The reason I'm looking for it is because I have been having DSG Mechatronic issues with Solenoids since last June and I was able for a while to get all my gears to shift by warming it up and shutting it off and restarting. Mind you this was after a remanufature in the UK in which I had a code for a different solenoid after reinstalling it. So I was driving it and it was a downpour and the transmission started jumping out of gears and shuddering so I went to 2nd gear manually to get home. The rainwater was dripping onto my sandaled feet and coming through the vanity light above the rt. side sun visor. I resent the unit back to the UK on warranty and they honored it but the unit came back with a whole bunch of new codes once reinstalled.
The previous transmission codes are gone but I got a whole bunch of new codes:
-(Engine Electronics) U0101 Lost communication with TCM,
-(Trans Electronics)P1825 Pressure Control Valve 3 (N217) Short Circuit to B+
-(Trans Electronics) P2711 unexpected mechanical disengagement- No signal/Communication,
-(Steering Column Electronics)U112100 Databus missing message-passive/Sporadic,
-(Instrument Cluster) U111100 Function restriction due to missing message- Passive/Sporadic,
-(Data bus Interface) 01315 Trans Control Mod- No signal/Communication,
-(Driver Door Electronics) B11F029 Window regulator button, Driver side-Range/Performance,
-(Power Steering) 03803 Steering Angle sensor F or power assisted steering
So this is why I'm looking into the powertrain CAN BUS system and the gateway to narrow down and pinpoint which component is the real problem. I'm suspecting the rain got into some electronic component(s) and could be causing all the chaos.
Also I have been trying to access the gateway from your described location but I'm having disassemble the lower dash plastic parts to get the metal plate out that holds the knee airbag. I've caught a glimpse of a red connector with a light and a mirror. But it's not accessible without major disassembly it seems. So to sum it up I want to make sure that this is where it's actually located before I go through l the hell to remove everything so I can actually see it.
The previous transmission codes are gone but I got a whole bunch of new codes:
-(Engine Electronics) U0101 Lost communication with TCM,
-(Trans Electronics)P1825 Pressure Control Valve 3 (N217) Short Circuit to B+
-(Trans Electronics) P2711 unexpected mechanical disengagement- No signal/Communication,
-(Steering Column Electronics)U112100 Databus missing message-passive/Sporadic,
-(Instrument Cluster) U111100 Function restriction due to missing message- Passive/Sporadic,
-(Data bus Interface) 01315 Trans Control Mod- No signal/Communication,
-(Driver Door Electronics) B11F029 Window regulator button, Driver side-Range/Performance,
-(Power Steering) 03803 Steering Angle sensor F or power assisted steering
So this is why I'm looking into the powertrain CAN BUS system and the gateway to narrow down and pinpoint which component is the real problem. I'm suspecting the rain got into some electronic component(s) and could be causing all the chaos.
Also I have been trying to access the gateway from your described location but I'm having disassemble the lower dash plastic parts to get the metal plate out that holds the knee airbag. I've caught a glimpse of a red connector with a light and a mirror. But it's not accessible without major disassembly it seems. So to sum it up I want to make sure that this is where it's actually located before I go through l the hell to remove everything so I can actually see it.
oilhammer
Certified Volkswagen Nut & Vendor
It is clipped to a bracket above the accelerator pedal.
Nothing "elusive" about it, it is in the shop manual.
Nothing "elusive" about it, it is in the shop manual.
do you have VCDS?
please do an autoscan, clear all faults, cycle the ignition, then do another autoscan and post that
I've already cleared them and re-scanned maybe 3 times with numerous restarts in between and after. Each time I get even more codes. But I don't have VCDS. I have a Launch C reader Elite.
If I had the exact manual for this car I most likely wouldn't on here asking this question. Thanks for your input. I've seen videos on Golfs MK6 that had it under the wiper plenum on the right side of right side driving car. (As you may know JSW is really a Golf) That guy fund it pretty elusive to find also since he had the whole car taken apart trying to find it in the place you're talking about
oilhammer
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Your Sportwagon is an A5 Golf, in variant trim, with the facelift that came about in 2011. There are no A6 wagons.
Unfortunately, Robert Bentley doesn't do VAG stuff after about that time, however the last paper manual that they did provide will cover 95% of your car:
VW - Volkswagen Repair Manual: Jetta: 2005-2010 - Bentley Publishers - Repair Manuals and Automotive Books
The only real difference between your 2013 and a 2010 is the styling of the headlights/grill/bumper cover, and the styling of the dashboard. Most everything else, including the location of all the modules, is the same. You may even be able to score a used one somewhere for cheap enough to make it worth grabbing.
Unfortunately, Robert Bentley doesn't do VAG stuff after about that time, however the last paper manual that they did provide will cover 95% of your car:
VW - Volkswagen Repair Manual: Jetta: 2005-2010 - Bentley Publishers - Repair Manuals and Automotive Books
The only real difference between your 2013 and a 2010 is the styling of the headlights/grill/bumper cover, and the styling of the dashboard. Most everything else, including the location of all the modules, is the same. You may even be able to score a used one somewhere for cheap enough to make it worth grabbing.
Here is the video of the 2010 Golf with the Gateway under the window screen under the plenum.
Ok. Here is what my code scanner/reader cameup with after clearing codes and cycling the ignition and re-scanning
you do not have a mk6 golf. your gateway is not where it is in that video
the JSW is NOT a mk6 golf. it's an a5 golf, with a butt tacked onto the end, and a mk6 facia on the front
oilhammer
Certified Volkswagen Nut & Vendor
LOL, that video is of a RHD car, they often have things in different places... the CAN box could NOT be in the same place, because it doesn't have a bracket holding the left side of the HVAC case wear the pedals are like a LHD car does, because the accelerator pedal is up against the outside kick panel. LMAO...
And just FYI, a LHD 2010 Golf has its CAN box in the same place as your car does: on a bracket, above the accelerator pedal.
And just FYI, a LHD 2010 Golf has its CAN box in the same place as your car does: on a bracket, above the accelerator pedal.
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Is an A5 anything like a MK5?
Did you see the scanner code readings that I posted after clearing, cycling the key and rescanning?
I found the one above the pedal but I tried to remove the connector for about an hour standing on my head in the footwell. Used fingers, screw driver, pliers. No GO. Gonna try needle nose vise grips
Ok. Here is what my code scanner/reader cameup with after clearing codes and cycling the ignition and re-scanning
Inspection Report
this also works!
Free Service Manual for the 2013 Volkswagen Jetta SportWagen (AJ5) L4-2.0L DSL Turbo (CJAA) | Operation CHARM
Detailed repair manual for the 2013 Volkswagen Jetta SportWagen (AJ5) L4-2.0L DSL Turbo (CJAA), including electrical diagrams, recommended bolt torques, and estimated labor times.
charm.li
the a5 is basically a mk5, yes
the chassis is the same. we got some nice golf 6 electronics but it really is just an upfitted golf 5 with a butt
regarding your issue removing the connector; there is a tab you must depress on it before yanking. failure to release the tab WILL result in either a broken connector on the wiring harness or a broken connector on the gateway OR a broken PCB in the gateway
That link keeps coming up unavailable
this one might work better
Free Service Manual for the 2012 Volkswagen Jetta SportWagen (AJ5) L4-2.0L DSL Turbo (CJAA) | Operation CHARM
Detailed repair manual for the 2012 Volkswagen Jetta SportWagen (AJ5) L4-2.0L DSL Turbo (CJAA), including electrical diagrams, recommended bolt torques, and estimated labor times.
charm.li
or just go to "charm.li" directly
These codes come up immediately after clearing codes without rescanning. https://usait.x431.com/Home/Report/...wKwKw2YDhIF/report_type/D/l/en-us/timezone/-5
everything looks fine other than your TPMS error and your steering angle sensor error
you REALLY need VCDS to debug any further
Yes. I was pressing inward on the tab that I could see and also prying out on it but neither technique worked. I am beginning to suspect there maybe more than one retainer tab. One that is not visible to me...
Could those components cause main pressure solenoid N 217 to stop working?
calimustang
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ahh thanks! that also works. but no 2015? we have 2015 Passat....
nope, years seem to stop at 2013 for VW :/
Yes. I posted all my codes earlier. My transmission has been two round trips across the ocean since June. And each time it comes back with a different solenoid code plus a ton of other non transmission ones. It's on a lifetime warranty, unlimited miles but before I send it back a third time I want to make sure the other issues are not what's causing the solenoid to fail to function. If they find the Mech unit not faulty then I'm just charged shipping and maybe a testing fee.
oilhammer
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Sounds like you should have just put in a NEW M-unit from the get-go.
While some of the older ones are NLA, yours should still be available. I've had a 100% success rate with every new 02E M-unit I've installed, and I have probably installed 100 or more of them over the 20 years they've been around.
While some of the older ones are NLA, yours should still be available. I've had a 100% success rate with every new 02E M-unit I've installed, and I have probably installed 100 or more of them over the 20 years they've been around.
In hindsight yes that seems to have been the better option but I was under the impression that my Mech unit was being remanufactured and hence basically equal to a brand new one. Also supporting this idea was the lifetime unlimited miles warranty. I would think they would get tired of having these coming back on warranty claims if they are not really rebuilding them to new condition.
This document doesn't appear to be a complete repair manual. I'm not finding any electrical diagrams or component pictures or locations. It's has fluid specifications etc. But could prove helpful at some point. So thanks for posting.
there is no repair manual for the mech unit. if it's busted, you replace it