Lift for TDI Sportwagen (for oversize tires)

Thunder Chicken

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Sioux Lookout, Ontario
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2012 Golf Wagon
My dealer was able to align it just fine and actually stopped eating rear tires like it used to before the lift and 3rd party alignments.

Stupid as it sounds, my dealer is the only one who gets the correct alignment on my A3 or my JSW. Worth the $129 they charge. (Look for a coupon to make it $99).

You WILL need an alignment because of how the struts mount in the cup.
Ok thanks! I knew I’d need an alignment but the shop I’d go to when I mentioned maybe getting him to install the springs wanted to know how the alignment would go.
Think I’m going to to the Tiguan front springs and towing rear springs. The place I get parts has Blisten shocks/struts (oem I presume) So I’m u decided what to do about those. I’ll be keeping the stock tire size. I’m not looking for anything sporty or special, just need to replace everything anyways and figured a simple upgrade won’t cost much more than stock stuff and would at least lift a bit for snow season!
 

craigldavis

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2009 JSW M/T; 2014 Q7
I did the same springs on mine.

I didn’t change my OE struts/shocks and then realized how shot they were with the taller springs.

So I took it all apart again and put on Koni FSD.

Both were able to be aligned just fine.
 

jesssssser

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Mar 8, 2016
Location
Buffalo
TDI
2010 Jetta Sportwagen ~118K
Ok thanks! I knew I’d need an alignment but the shop I’d go to when I mentioned maybe getting him to install the springs wanted to know how the alignment would go.
Think I’m going to to the Tiguan front springs and towing rear springs. The place I get parts has Blisten shocks/struts (oem I presume) So I’m u decided what to do about those. I’ll be keeping the stock tire size. I’m not looking for anything sporty or special, just need to replace everything anyways and figured a simple upgrade won’t cost much more than stock stuff and would at least lift a bit for snow season!

The reason I lifted mine 4 yrs ago was to get out of the snow, and it works great. I had the vehicle aligned at the dealer and they got er done no problem.
 

Wilkins

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Aug 19, 2005
Location
British Columbia
TDI
05 Jetta Wagon 5sp, 10 Sportwagen 6MT
I ran a year with the rear tiggies before I had it aligned and noticed some wear on the inside of the rear tires. Seems fine after the alignment, been probably three years now.
 

Zygote Bros

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NNV
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2014 JSW TDI
When I did the alignment on my first Wagen, they said they had trouble getting front caster within specs. But there were no issues when I drove it. No issues in the rear.
 

Swinging Steel

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NW Connecticut
TDI
'13 Sportwagen 6M, '15 Passat 6M
Just did the koni special actives front and rear with tiguan front springs. Towing in the rear. Got the kit from idparts when koni had the rebate going. Quality stuff and so far, the ride is excellent. Going from tired stock gear to this setup raised everything about 2 inches. Maybe more. But it doesn't look ridiculous. It's a matter of opinion and functionality. I think slammed cars make one look like a tool.

Cant wait to test the payload now.
 

vernalicious

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Iowa
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2012 JSW DSG
Got the idparts springs and Koni Special Actives on all 4 corners back in August. All was going well, except for a noticeable thud in the back over extremely sharp speed bumps and very bad pavement. I didn't pay too much attention, until I went to switch over to winter tires this November. When I jacked up the driver side rear, I heard a hissing noise at full shock extension and saw blue fluid spewing from the strut. The valve was toast and the shock was no longer dampening.

Upon doing some research, the Koni Special Active is not the longest shock at max extension available, at 585mm. The Bilstein B6 33-158723, intended for a GTI/Golf, extends to 640mm. There's also the Koni Yellow 8040-1395, intended for a Tiguan, which goes to 630mm. I decided to give the Bilstein B6 a try. After installing it this afternoon, I am pleased with the early results. The Bilsteins are noticeably stiffer than than the Koni Special Actives, but not excessively so. Small pavement imperfections are more noticeable, but the rear feels tighter under tight cornering. The Bilstein B6 also feels like a nicer built shock. The welds look better and it's physically heavier.

I still get a noticeable thud in the rear end over very sharp speed bumps. The thud sounds less violent on the Bilsteins compared to the Konis, probably due to the additional 2 inches of travel and stiffer dampening. I'm not sure why I had this issue, as I can't find other reports of this happening on this forum or any others. It could be my vehicle is slightly different than other, or maybe the shock topping out was unrelated to the valve failure. Either way, I would recommend anyone using these springs to use Koni Special Actives in the front and Bilstein B6 33-158723 in the rear.
 

Thunder Chicken

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Sioux Lookout, Ontario
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2012 Golf Wagon
Well almost all my parts are here. I took apart the car and found 2 broken springs (one front and rear) strut mounts were toast, and one front sway bar link was loose and ready to fall apart. Another order of stuff to get the link and new strut mount bolts as I had to cut a few off when the rusty rivnuts decided to spin..... I ended up getting Blisten shocks, and springs same as the ID parts kit. Being in Canada the shipping was a bit much so ordered from a reputable parts supplier in N.S.
 

Zygote Bros

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2014 JSW TDI
Got the idparts springs and Koni Special Actives on all 4 corners back in August. All was going well, except for a noticeable thud in the back over extremely sharp speed bumps and very bad pavement. I didn't pay too much attention, until I went to switch over to winter tires this November. When I jacked up the driver side rear, I heard a hissing noise at full shock extension and saw blue fluid spewing from the strut. The valve was toast and the shock was no longer dampening.

Upon doing some research, the Koni Special Active is not the longest shock at max extension available, at 585mm. The Bilstein B6 33-158723, intended for a GTI/Golf, extends to 640mm. There's also the Koni Yellow 8040-1395, intended for a Tiguan, which goes to 630mm. I decided to give the Bilstein B6 a try. After installing it this afternoon, I am pleased with the early results. The Bilsteins are noticeably stiffer than than the Koni Special Actives, but not excessively so. Small pavement imperfections are more noticeable, but the rear feels tighter under tight cornering. The Bilstein B6 also feels like a nicer built shock. The welds look better and it's physically heavier.

I still get a noticeable thud in the rear end over very sharp speed bumps. The thud sounds less violent on the Bilsteins compared to the Konis, probably due to the additional 2 inches of travel and stiffer dampening. I'm not sure why I had this issue, as I can't find other reports of this happening on this forum or any others. It could be my vehicle is slightly different than other, or maybe the shock topping out was unrelated to the valve failure. Either way, I would recommend anyone using these springs to use Koni Special Actives in the front and Bilstein B6 33-158723 in the rear.
You need to go to Tiguan rear struts, which are longer. The Jetta wagen rear struts get overextended on large bumps. I've had this issue twice using Jetta rear struts (Koni Yellows and Koni Special Actives).

The Jetta towing springs are about 1/3 stiffer than the stock springs, so using the damping on the Jetta Bilstein B6 might be OK for normal driving, but might still not be enough to prevent overextension of the strut. I have Tiguan Koni Special Actives on my Tiguan springs (slightly shorter and stiffer than Jetta towing springs) and it solved all my issues. It is on the firm side but not harsh. I'm willing to bet the Tiguan Bilstein Touring (B4?) would be a good fit also. You can't really use any "sport" strut as the extension is reduced for use with shorter springs. I'd think the Koni Yellow for a Tiguan would be pretty stiff though.

The "thud"/overextension issue was covered in this thread (a while ago, yeah I know its hard to thumb through all the posts).
 
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vernalicious

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From my research, the Tiguan Konis are not the longest rear shocks available. The Tiguan Koni Yellow is close at 630 mm. The Tiguan Koni SA is only 585mm which is the same as the JSW part number. These measurements are from Koni tech support. The additional dampening on a Tiguan Koni SA may prevent top out on the towing springs, but I didn't want to chance it so I got the Bilstein B6 33-158723 which extend to 640mm. I have only been able to get it to top out on one specific speedbump. I'd be interested to hear if anyone has experience with the Tiguan Koni SA's with the Towing springs after experiencing top out with the JSW Koni SA's.
 

Zygote Bros

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From my research, the Tiguan Konis are not the longest rear shocks available. The Tiguan Koni Yellow is close at 630 mm. The Tiguan Koni SA is only 585mm which is the same as the JSW part number. These measurements are from Koni tech support. The additional dampening on a Tiguan Koni SA may prevent top out on the towing springs, but I didn't want to chance it so I got the Bilstein B6 33-158723 which extend to 640mm. I have only been able to get it to top out on one specific speedbump. I'd be interested to hear if anyone has experience with the Tiguan Koni SA's with the Towing springs after experiencing top out with the JSW Koni SA's.
Regardless of your research, I can tell you what worked for me. Going to Tiguan struts solved my clunk. No noise whatsoever in the rear.

When you talk about "extension", are you talking about the range of the travel? The Tiguan struts may have similar or less range of travel between full compression and full extension, but if that range sits and inch or two higher than a Jetta strut, then that would prevent overextension of the strut by the spring...
 

vernalicious

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Regardless of your research, I can tell you what worked for me. Going to Tiguan struts solved my clunk. No noise whatsoever in the rear.

When you talk about "extension", are you talking about the range of the travel? The Tiguan struts may have similar or less range of travel between full compression and full extension, but if that range sits and inch or two higher than a Jetta strut, then that would prevent overextension of the strut by the spring...

For sure, I don't doubt that the Tiguan struts fixed your issues. The Tiguan springs are about an inch shorter than Towing springs. A stiffer damper with the same max extension may prevent top out.

Max extension is how long the shock is at full piston extension. This is a standard spec that the manufacturer can provide for comparison between different shocks. The max extension specs direct from Koni were identical for the Tiguan and JSW Special Actives. I didn't ask about dampening rate, but I'd assume there Tiguan is a stiffer shock. They have different part numbers, so there must be some difference. It's also possible that Koni has a data entry error and the Tiguan SAs have a longer max extension than advertised. I would expect the Tiguan shocks to have a longer max extension than the Sportwagen shocks. That's the case for the Yellows, but not the Special Actives for whatever reason.

Here are the specs from Koni FWIW

Special Active

Front


JSW 8745 1038
Max: 575 mm
Min: 400 mm

Tiguan 8745 1263
Max: 565 mm
Min: 400 mm

Rear

JSW 8045 1084
Max: 585 mm
Min: 361mm

Tiguan 8045 1228
Max: 585mm
Min: 361mm


Koni Yellow

Front


JSW 8710 1431
Max: 575mm
Min:400mm

Tiguan 8741 1546
Max: 605mm
Min: 442mm

Rear

JSW 80 2859
Max: 585mm
Min: 354mm

Tiguan 8040 1395
Max: 630mm
Min: 383mm
 
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Thunder Chicken

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Sioux Lookout, Ontario
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2012 Golf Wagon
Well, finally got it done, had been waiting for mail order parts.... then broke the last stud off the ball joint so another order....
It sits noticeability higher, rides fine enough for me! I used Blisten shocks (oem replacements) and they do clunk a bit on big bumps likely topping out.
The local garage had no issues with the alignment, said the camber was at the upper end of the limit but still within.
overall I’m happy so far with it and look forward to the improved clearance!
I’d post a picture but can’t figure it out....
 
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