kw1281test: A Free VDS-Pro / VagTacho Alternative

ts54

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The car is a European Audi TT from 2000. The car is Immo2 and the cluster as well.
I double checked with the instructions from Ross Tech (VCDS). https://www.ross-tech.com/vag-com/cars/Immo2-cluster-swapping.html

I was thinking when reading all the info, with Immo2 the SKC is saved in the dashboard and with Immo3 the SKC is saved in the dashboard and the ECU.

Edit: I currently have the new dashboard in a 'bench setup'. It's on my desk hooked with wires to 12v and a cable for the k-line both connected to a OBD cable. All communications seem to be working fine, also with VCDS. Could be useful to know..
 

gmenounos

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The car is a European Audi TT from 2000. The car is Immo2 and the cluster as well.
I double checked with the instructions from Ross Tech (VCDS). https://www.ross-tech.com/vag-com/cars/Immo2-cluster-swapping.html

I was thinking when reading all the info, with Immo2 the SKC is saved in the dashboard and with Immo3 the SKC is saved in the dashboard and the ECU.

Edit: I currently have the new dashboard in a 'bench setup'. It's on my desk hooked with wires to 12v and a cable for the k-line both connected to a OBD cable. All communications seem to be working fine, also with VCDS. Could be useful to know..
Is the odometer about 230048km? If so, try 02251 for the SKC and post whether it works or not.
 

ts54

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Is the odometer about 230048km? If so, try 02251 for the SKC and post whether it works or not.
The odometer is 230072 KM.
I just arrived at work, will give it a try when I get home! If it works I'm really curious how you found it.. Thank you so far for your time 😄
 

ts54

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Is the odometer about 230048km? If so, try 02251 for the SKC and post whether it works or not.
I just tried to log in using VCDS and this code is working! After I put in the code the key-immobilizer led stopt blinking on the dashboard. Assuming I can program the existing keys now. Thank you so much!:D

I'm really curious how you got this information out of my dump files. Is it possible, for me perhaps, to implement this in kw1281test?
Also I would like to know if I can change the odometer, to match the real mileage of the car. If that's too risky I will not do it since the milage is only off by 6K so I can live with that...

Again thanks for your support. You're a lifesaver!
 

gmenounos

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I'm really curious how you got this information out of my dump files. Is it possible, for me perhaps, to implement this in kw1281test?
Also I would like to know if I can change the odometer, to match the real mileage of the car. If that's too risky I will not do it since the milage is only off by 6K so I can live with that...
There's some software floating around called NYO4 that knows where the SKC and odometer live in a huge variety of clusters. You won't be able to use kw1281test to update your odometer even if you knew where it was in the dump because it doesn't support writing to Marelli (i.e. TT/Beetle) clusters.
 

gmenounos

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Shiboxtdi

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I’ve been looking for a VCDS, I know Ross tech sells them but I can’t see paying 200$ for it (call me a cheap a** all you want) I seen them on Ali express and I’ve seen the threads about them have a “virus”. And I’ve also seen the obd eleven, I would like that because I wouldn’t need a laptop and I could just use my phone for it, but you have then pay for the description and in my time of reading about it all I can gather is you pretty much have to pay everytime you click on something😂. I may be wrong but that’s how I’ve took it. And I’ve also seen the VAG KKL, which I have access to a laptop or computer whatever you want too call it. My questions are…
has anyone bought the hex v2 off of Ali express and used it and got any viruses from it and or does it work fine like if you were to buy it off of Ross tech.
What is the difference between the hex v2 and the VAG KKL, do they do the same thing?
even with my young age (16😂) I’m no computer scientist by no means and quite frankly I don’t even know how too download the software for the VCDS
Sorry for any misunderstandings this is way out of my brains reach and I can’t even wrap my head around how too use any of this stuff
Thank you in advance
 

Mozambiquer

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I’ve been looking for a VCDS, I know Ross tech sells them but I can’t see paying 200$ for it (call me a cheap a** all you want) I seen them on Ali express and I’ve seen the threads about them have a “virus”. And I’ve also seen the obd eleven, I would like that because I wouldn’t need a laptop and I could just use my phone for it, but you have then pay for the description and in my time of reading about it all I can gather is you pretty much have to pay everytime you click on something😂. I may be wrong but that’s how I’ve took it. And I’ve also seen the VAG KKL, which I have access to a laptop or computer whatever you want too call it. My questions are…
has anyone bought the hex v2 off of Ali express and used it and got any viruses from it and or does it work fine like if you were to buy it off of Ross tech.
What is the difference between the hex v2 and the VAG KKL, do they do the same thing?
even with my young age (16😂) I’m no computer scientist by no means and quite frankly I don’t even know how too download the software for the VCDS
Sorry for any misunderstandings this is way out of my brains reach and I can’t even wrap my head around how too use any of this stuff
Thank you in advance
The knockoff ones don't work the same as the real vcds. They only work with cracked old versions of vcds or vcds-lite. The real vcds they do free updates and have support.
If you have an mk4, you can simply get a kkl cable and run vcds-lite, which is free unless you want to do adaptations then they charge a $99 registration fee. That only works for the older k-line cars, so mk4 and B5 passat at the latest.
I would not get the knockoff ones with a disk. For one, they are illegal pirated devices, and the other, they often do have viruses and are not able to update at all.
You also can only use the software that comes with them, as the real vcds software does not work with them.
 

Shiboxtdi

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I have a mk4, would I be able too use the vcds lite and still do coding like deleting immobilizer or check fuel pressure, code key to the car etc
 

P2B

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I’ve been looking for a VCDS, I know Ross tech sells them but I can’t see paying 200$ for it (call me a cheap a** all you want) I seen them on Ali express and I’ve seen the threads about them have a “virus”.
There are two ways to get VCDS - buy it or steal it.

Please don't ask for advice on the latter here.

VCDS Lite is read only, you cannot make changes with it.
 

Mozambiquer

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I have a mk4, would I be able too use the vcds lite and still do coding like deleting immobilizer or check fuel pressure, code key to the car etc
You will want the real full vcds for any coding. You cannot use vcds to delete the immobilizer, but can use it to program the immobilizer after pulling the skc with this software.
Sometimes you can get the old unlimited vin ones on eBay for cheaper, just make sure its a real one, or itll be a paperweight that doesn't even hold paper down well...
 

gmenounos

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You will want the real full vcds for any coding. You cannot use vcds to delete the immobilizer, but can use it to program the immobilizer after pulling the skc with this software.
Sometimes you can get the old unlimited vin ones on eBay for cheaper, just make sure its a real one, or itll be a paperweight that doesn't even hold paper down well...
kw1281test can delete the immobilzer, and if you're really on a budget it can do coding, adaptation and basic setting (for adjusting the injection pump after a timing belt change), but it doesn't tell you what the coding and adaptation values mean so you'd have to have the factory service manual. And it's not nearly as easy to set up and use as VCDS.
 

Shiboxtdi

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kw1281test can delete the immobilzer, and if you're really on a budget it can do coding, adaptation and basic setting (for adjusting the injection pump after a timing belt change), but it doesn't tell you what the coding and adaptation values mean so you'd have to have the factory service manual. And it's not nearly as easy to set up and use as VCDS.
I know this isn’t a question for this thread but what is the purpose of adjusting the pump after the timing belt change?
 

Shiboxtdi

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Why would the timing be changed though does it get moved in the process of changing the belt, sorry if this is a dumb question I’m still learning
 

J_dude

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Why would the timing be changed though does it get moved in the process of changing the belt, sorry if this is a dumb question I’m still learning
Yes when you do the timing belt the pump gets pinned at it's "base" setting, and then needs to be fine tuned afterwards.
 

EDBTZ-A4

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Anyone know why I am getting "COM1" is not in correct format? using a ross-tech hex-can (not v2), already have the vcp port setup, and vcds is set to intelligent mode off. Trying to pull the SKC on my 2008 A4, I know its possible on a rb4 cluster. wanted to try procedure on rb8.

Been riding the struggle bus for weeks now, hoping to hop off soon. anyhelp would be appreciated, tried a bunch of other programs, vag eeprom, vag k command, VM machines (win xp, 8), nefmoto eprom tool. the whole lot.

Anyways, here's my script... Thanks in advance


C:\Users\Misha>C:\Users\Misha\Desktop\kw1281test_0.97.0-beta_Win10\kw1281test.exe kw1281Test COM1 10400 17 ToggleRB8Mode
KW1281Test: Yesterday's diagnostics...Today.

Version 0.97.0-beta (https://github.com/gmenounos/kw1281test/releases)
Args: kw1281Test COM1 10400 17 ToggleRB8Mode
OSVersion: Microsoft Windows NT 10.0.19045.0
.NET Version: 8.0.0
Culture: en-US
Caught: System.FormatException The input string 'COM1' was not in a correct format.
Unhandled exception: System.FormatException: The input string 'COM1' was not in a correct format.
at System.Number.ThrowFormatException[TChar](ReadOnlySpan`1)
at System.Number.ThrowOverflowOrFormatException[TChar,TInteger](ParsingStatus, ReadOnlySpan`1)
at System.Number.ParseBinaryInteger[TChar,TInteger](ReadOnlySpan`1, NumberStyles, NumberFormatInfo)
at System.Int32.Parse(ReadOnlySpan`1, NumberStyles , IFormatProvider )
at System.Int32.Parse(String, NumberStyles, IFormatProvider )
at System.Int32.Parse(String)
at BitFab.KW1281Test.Program.Run(String[]) in /Users/gmenounos/src/kw1281test/Program.cs:line 80
at BitFab.KW1281Test.Program.Main(String[]) in /Users/gmenounos/src/kw1281test/Program.cs:line 31
 

nagwych

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Anyone know why I am getting "COM1" is not in correct format? using a ross-tech hex-can (not v2), already have the vcp port setup, and vcds is set to intelligent mode off. Trying to pull the SKC on my 2008 A4, I know its possible on a rb4 cluster. wanted to try procedure on rb8.

Been riding the struggle bus for weeks now, hoping to hop off soon. anyhelp would be appreciated, tried a bunch of other programs, vag eeprom, vag k command, VM machines (win xp, 8), nefmoto eprom tool. the whole lot.

Anyways, here's my script... Thanks in advance


C:\Users\Misha>C:\Users\Misha\Desktop\kw1281test_0.97.0-beta_Win10\kw1281test.exe kw1281Test COM1 10400 17 ToggleRB8Mode
KW1281Test: Yesterday's diagnostics...Today.

Version 0.97.0-beta (https://github.com/gmenounos/kw1281test/releases)
Args: kw1281Test COM1 10400 17 ToggleRB8Mode
OSVersion: Microsoft Windows NT 10.0.19045.0
.NET Version: 8.0.0
Culture: en-US
Caught: System.FormatException The input string 'COM1' was not in a correct format.
Unhandled exception: System.FormatException: The input string 'COM1' was not in a correct format.
at System.Number.ThrowFormatException[TChar](ReadOnlySpan`1)
at System.Number.ThrowOverflowOrFormatException[TChar,TInteger](ParsingStatus, ReadOnlySpan`1)
at System.Number.ParseBinaryInteger[TChar,TInteger](ReadOnlySpan`1, NumberStyles, NumberFormatInfo)
at System.Int32.Parse(ReadOnlySpan`1, NumberStyles , IFormatProvider )
at System.Int32.Parse(String, NumberStyles, IFormatProvider )
at System.Int32.Parse(String)
at BitFab.KW1281Test.Program.Run(String[]) in /Users/gmenounos/src/kw1281test/Program.cs:line 80
at BitFab.KW1281Test.Program.Main(String[]) in /Users/gmenounos/src/kw1281test/Program.cs:line 31
You have put KW1281Test as an input parameter, try this instead :

C:\Users\Misha\Desktop\kw1281test_0.97.0-beta_Win10\kw1281test.exe COM1 10400 17 ToggleRB8Mode
(Here is what you typed, can you see the difference? :
C:\Users\Misha\Desktop\kw1281test_0.97.0-beta_Win10\kw1281test.exe kw1281Test COM1 10400 17 ToggleRB8Mode)
 

gmenounos

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Anyone know why I am getting "COM1" is not in correct format? using a ross-tech hex-can (not v2), already have the vcp port setup, and vcds is set to intelligent mode off. Trying to pull the SKC on my 2008 A4, I know its possible on a rb4 cluster. wanted to try procedure on rb8.
I don't think it's going to work with your car anyway. Supposedly the 2008 A4 doesn't use the K-line for diagnostics. See the first post of this thread:

Q: Will it work with my car?
A: kw1281test works with many VW group cars that use the K-Line for diagnostics. It's been most heavily tested on the VW MKIV Golf/Jetta/Beetle. It will not work on cars that use CAN bus diagnostics such as those listed here.
 

EDBTZ-A4

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You have put KW1281Test as an input parameter, try this instead :

C:\Users\Misha\Desktop\kw1281test_0.97.0-beta_Win10\kw1281test.exe COM1 10400 17 ToggleRB8Mode
(Here is what you typed, can you see the difference? :
C:\Users\Misha\Desktop\kw1281test_0.97.0-beta_Win10\kw1281test.exe kw1281Test COM1 10400 17 ToggleRB8Mode)
Oh I see now, definitely misunderstood that component, thank you.
I don't think it's going to work with your car anyway. Supposedly the 2008 A4 doesn't use the K-line for diagnostics. See the first post of this thread:

Q: Will it work with my car?
A: kw1281test works with many VW group cars that use the K-Line for diagnostics. It's been most heavily tested on the VW MKIV Golf/Jetta/Beetle. It will not work on cars that use CAN bus diagnostics such as those listed here.
Sure would have helped to read that first, thank you for pointing that out. back to the drawing board!
 
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