Key Programming via my VAG-COM

Birdman

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When I used to sell OEM keys at impex the price was also the same cut or uncut and a bit cheaper then VW parts department. The cheapest way to go is to buy one on ebay but make sure it is from a good source a lot of people have been ripped off on there but Fobs that did not work.
 

fricker3

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I am having trouble coding a new key to my 2002 NB. I have the 4 digit SKC and a VAG-COM. I follow the procedure on the Ross-Tech web site. When I switch off the ignition with the original key and insert the second key, then switch the ign on, the immobilizer indicator goes from solid on to blinking (instead of off). It is supposed to go off in two seconds and then you repeat the procedure with the next key.
The two keys with remotes have the same part number. I cannot even get my original valet key to be recognized by the car.

Any advice would be appreciated.

Eric
 

fricker3

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Okay, I have successfully reprogrammed my car to its original two keys. But the new key that I got from ebay doesn't seem to be cooperating. An interesting thing I found out is that if I try to program the bad key first, none of the keys will work; if I try to progam it second the last two won't work.

So then I tried to program another one from ebay (different seller) that one didn't work either. What are the odds of getting two bad immobilizer chips from two different ebayers. The remote part works on one and have not tested the remote part on the other.

These keys are all 1J0 959 753 AM.

Eric
 

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fricker3 said:
Okay, I have successfully reprogrammed my car to its original two keys. But the new key that I got from ebay doesn't seem to be cooperating. An interesting thing I found out is that if I try to program the bad key first, none of the keys will work; if I try to progam it second the last two won't work.

So then I tried to program another one from ebay (different seller) that one didn't work either. What are the odds of getting two bad immobilizer chips from two different ebayers. The remote part works on one and have not tested the remote part on the other.

These keys are all 1J0 959 753 AM.

Eric
Your odds of getting ripped off by two different ebayers are quite good I would think. Pull your remotes apart and see if they even have a circuit board inside them.

Also, you can use your vag-com to verify if your immobilizer is even recognizing your new remotes. I forget the procedure but it's in the bentley manual. (One of the guys at ross tech out me on to it.)

This will determine if the remotes are actually transmitting and transmitting on a frequency that your immo recognizes. Just because your remote p/n's match does not mean that they transmit on the same frequency. (315 mhz is one and the other is close to it but I don't recall.)

I just went through this with a remote that mached my originals but was for a newer (03 and up immo.) Go into vag com and find out what your Immo p/n is and post it here.
 

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my 05.5 has to have the ecm set to the total number of keys then you have so long to install each key and do a on off cycle. the immoblizer will recongize the chip in the keys. i have had one of my remotes cut the other one was too hard per the vw dealer. but they said they couldnt get it to program. so i am waiting to find a locksmith or other that can get in the ecm to do the needed change. i would be interested if vag com can get into this feature.
 

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Clearing up some details

FL2AK-tdi said:
Also, you can use your vag-com to verify if your immobilizer is even recognizing your new remotes. I forget the procedure but it's in the bentley manual. (One of the guys at ross tech out me on to it.)

This will determine if the remotes are actually transmitting and transmitting on a frequency that your immo recognizes. Just because your remote p/n's match does not mean that they transmit on the same frequency. (315 mhz is one and the other is close to it but I don't recall.)

I just went through this with a remote that mached my originals but was for a newer (03 and up immo.) Go into vag com and find out what your Immo p/n is and post it here.
Once again, two separate systems. But on the OP's original problem, I have had people bring in used keys "they got online cheap" that did not show up in MVB's as valid keys. Most generations of Immobilzer are MVB 21-23. Later gen. shows more info.

wrenchman30 said:
my 05.5 has to have the ecm set to the total number of keys then you have so long to install each key and do a on off cycle. the immoblizer will recognize the chip in the keys. i have had one of my remotes cut the other one was too hard per the vw dealer. but they said they couldn't get it to program. so i am waiting to find a locksmith or other that can get in the ecm to do the needed change. i would be interested if vag com can get into this feature.
The ecm does not store the key info, the immobilzer control module integrated into the instrument cluster does. The ecm just verifies it is ok to let the car start by secure communications with the immo inside the cluster.

Remotes cut?? I assume you mean the key blade. Oh, and yes I have had issues with programing keys on MK5 cars. There have been some issues with the Immo IV when the wrote the programs for the 5052/5051B scan tools. The procedure is a little different and I think they had to fix a step in the program(GFF in scan tool).
 
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Remote part works that is not the problem. It is the immobilizer chip that I cannot seem to get the car to memorize. I took it down to the locksmith today (he cut the key for me and has been very helpful). He put all my keys in a reader and was able to read a valid immobilizer from each key, even the ebay keys.

Then he tried to match them to my car and he had no luck either. Even with another "AM" key that he sells.

My plan is to code the original keys only. Then clear all fault codes, because the airbag light seems to be on now. Disconnect the battery for a half hour and start from scratch (try to code one of these ebay keys).

Eric
 

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per the ebahn website and the key programming insturctions the m5 has to have the ecm set to number of keys 1,2,3,4 then you program the keys by turning in ignition (immoblizer light flashes bells horn honks) something of the sort. can the vag com program edit this ecm function.
 

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wrenchman30 said:
per the ebahn website and the key programming insturctions the m5 has to have the ecm set to number of keys 1,2,3,4 then you program the keys by turning in ignition (immoblizer light flashes bells horn honks) something of the sort. can the vag com program edit this ecm function.
Please post up the instructions you are quoting. Sounds like they are using the term "ecm" to reference any electronic control module, rather than just the engine control module.

You need to tell the Immobilzer's ecm how many keys you want to program. Then the Immo light in the cluster comes for two seconds for each key you put in the ignition and turn ignition on, then goes out. For the last key the Immo light flashes a couple times then goes out. You have between 30 seconds and a couple minutes depending on Immo generation to complete this task.

The problem we all have is you need to log in to alow this programing sequence to start. And that is the part you hear about people cannot get their SKC, 4 digit PIN, 7 digit PIN, etc. from the dealer. You need that code.

fricker3 said:
Remote part works that is not the problem. It is the immobilizer chip that I cannot seem to get the car to memorize. I took it down to the locksmith today (he cut the key for me and has been very helpful). He put all my keys in a reader and was able to read a valid immobilizer from each key, even the ebay keys.

Then he tried to match them to my car and he had no luck either. Even with another "AM" key that he sells.

My plan is to code the original keys only. Then clear all fault codes, because the airbag light seems to be on now. Disconnect the battery for a half hour and start from scratch (try to code one of these ebay keys).

Eric
It's not only that the key is an Immo key, but that it is the correct generation of key. Also, I have run into some problems with keys that once programed to one car, won't program to any other cars. Most of the keys people bring me from eBay are new key blades on old key bodies. It's possible you have a key like this.

And if he just tried the same key as the one you brought to him, then it won't program either. Bright side is you don't have to waste the key cutting - you can take the blade off yours and put it on which ever key body you get to program.

Last thing, leaving the battery disconnected doesn't usually help. Most of the time it causes more problems than it solves. And with most of the security type systems on these cars the procedures to clear or make them happy is key on engine off for an hour or two. I'd suggest a battery charger. Only time I've seen leaving the battery disconnected work was when the car sat for over a week disconnected.

Bright side is I live up in Gainesville and can help you on a weekend if you want. Just drop me a line a day or so in advance so I can get some stuff together. It'll give me an excuse to go for a drive and explore.:cool:

Jason
 

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Jason,
I definitely have a new key blade on an old key body. I thought that having the part number match would ensure that I had the correct generation of key. The locksmith tried a key that he had, but it might have been an old key that he bought off the web (he had to remove a cut keyblade from it).
I cleared all codes this morning, even recoded the ecm and tried again to code my "new to me" key. The old keys were recognized by the car no problem, the "new" key just gave me a flashing immobilizer light.
My son is a gator, one more year to go! If I cannot resolve this on my own I might come up and visit you in Gainesville. :)
I am going to hook it up to the battery charger and leave the ign on for an hour, try again.
Eric
 

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This is more info on the same topic. Mark1 has a very helpful website about VW keys (http://mark1vws.com/_wsn/page3.html) and it seems he has seen this same issue with matching keys that have already been matched to another car.

----- Original Message ----
From: <mark1vws>
To: Eric
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 11:43:28 AM
Subject: Re: 2002 New Beetle

I have had problems with this too. It seems that if your key head has been programmed to another car it will not work. Or at least it seems there are groups that the keys are compatible within the year range.

you matched the remote part number, key does not have a part number, nor do you know what car the key was matched to, only the remote

I have had to use new transponders or key heads to get over the hump on some cars

about 50/50 success

consider the savings on the remote portion, vw charges $75 and up just for that part

you may need a new flip head, change the blade, then program

Mark
 

fricker3

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Jason,
I took the immobilizer chip out of the valet key that I had and inserted it in the "AM" key I bought off of ebay. The goal is to have two keys with remotes for each of my cars, so I am set on the 2002 NB. Still waiting on ebay remotes for the other two.

Thanks for the help.

Eric
 

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Is there any way to deactivate the imobilzer? 2001 tdi reads my key intermitently. The dealer re programmed the keys after I had to have it towed there. That lasted one week, then back to the dealer for two weeks, they said they found a chaffed wire BS one month later it sits in the parking deck while I ride my VTX 1300 to work.
 

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Some chip tuners can de-activate the immobilizer, but this cannot be done with a scan tool.

Chances are you problem is a bad immo pickup coil, or a bad connection between it and the instrument cluster.

-Uwe-
 

Uwe

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Ken Evers said:
one more thought can it be deactivated through the wiring ? reroute / cut ?
If it was that simple to de-activate, it would hardly slow a car thief down at all would it? :eek:

-Uwe-
 
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